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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Gaslight

I have read them.  Air volume....got it.  I had planned on typing a whole post air trying to show air pressure and how it affects air temps and how volume does not come into play but never mind.  I going back to work. 

Continue on.

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Quote from: Gaslight on September 16, 2006, 12:07:46 PM
...The IAT sensor malfunctioning somewhere in its operating range is another cause... 

Not all ECUs are even set-up for them the same.

Quote from: Gaslight on September 16, 2006, 12:07:46 PM
...the intercooler does not even enter into the top 10 reasons for a back fire unless it is also leaking...

I did not say it would, I said a BOV does.

Quote from: Gaslight on September 16, 2006, 12:07:46 PM
  ...You keep bringing up intercooler theory when you mention that an ECU cannot compensate for the air temps created by an intercooler addition... 

No, you did:

Quote from: Gaslight on September 14, 2006, 04:19:41 PM
...The intercooler really won't matter to the ECU.  The only way it would is if you really muzzled up for a high dollar unit and the intake charge would cool a lot. 

I did NOT say that an ECU can't handle the air temps., what I said is that there are different ECU's, some are set up more agressivly to better use the cooler air and that some don't like the extra volume that an I/C puts in the system and it might run a little "quirky".


Quote from: Gaslight on September 16, 2006, 12:07:46 PM
...an air to air intercooler does not have the ability to cool a charge below ambient air temp to any real degree...

It CAN'T cool to a temp. below the temp. of the air going though it, and I never implied it could. (I do like the pun)

Quote from: Gaslight on September 16, 2006, 12:07:46 PM
...what you keep saying is that an intercooler addition has to be done with an ECU that is used to seeing an intercooler... 

No, I said this:

Quote from: 77turbopinto on September 14, 2006, 10:08:04 PM
...If the computer is from a car with an I/C then you NEED to run an I/C...

Quote from: 77turbopinto on September 15, 2006, 12:57:59 PM
....you SHOULD run an I/C with a ECU made for one; you will be more likely to get detonation if you don't. For that same reason, you are much better off to change to an "I/C" ECU when you install an I/C (more aggressive timing and fuel curves) to take more advantage of the cooler air temp...

Quote from: 77turbopinto on September 14, 2006, 10:08:04 PM
...You can get away with an I/C in almost any set-up, it just might be quirky like mine was...

Quote from: 77turbopinto on September 16, 2006, 12:22:05 PM
...there are different ECU's, some are set up more agressivly to better use the cooler air and that some don't like the extra volume that an I/C puts in the system and it might run a little "quirky".


Please review my posts.

Bill

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Gaslight

Just got done about a month ago tracking this similar problem down on a MKIV Supra.  After switching to several different BOV the owner gave up.  He had two problems.  His TPS sensor was malfunctioning in the upper range and he had a small air leak on the connection between the surge tank and the lower manifold.  The air leak only happened at around 14 psi and above.  The IAT sensor malfunctioning somewhere in its operating range is another cause.  A BOV can also cause the problem if it is leaking or not working properly.  But the intercooler does not even enter into the top 10 reasons for a back fire unless it is also leaking.

  You keep bringing up intercooler theory when you mention that an ECU cannot compensate for the air temps created by an intercooler addition.  At least that is what I keep getting out of what you are typing.  Intercooler theory is the easiest way to talk about that.  Since an air to air intercooler does not have the ability to cool a charge below ambient air temp to any real degree.  So what you keep saying is that an intercooler addition has to be done with an ECU that is used to seeing an intercooler.  The ECU does not care or know that there is an intercooler there.

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Quote from: Gaslight on September 16, 2006, 09:03:50 AM
Bill,

  Actually since fuel mixture is handled by the injectors and controlled by the throttle position sensor when you take your foot off the gas to shift there is no fuel mixing going on.  Also the BOV vents air with the throttle body closed.  Fuel mixture really does not enter into this...

IF that were true, WHY will it backfire with a BOV??

BTW: Who mentioned altitude? What "intercooler theory"??

ECU's are PRE-PROGRAMED to run within certian perameters using specific sensors and parts to control an engine to produce "X" amount of power. IF all of them can handle anything, ALL ECU's would be the same; they are not.

Bill
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Gaslight

Bill,

  Actually since fuel mixture is handled by the injectors and controlled by the throttle position sensor when you take your foot off the gas to shift there is no fuel mixing going on.  Also the BOV vents air with the throttle body closed.  Fuel mixture really does not enter into this.  All my experience and work that I have done shows adding an intercooler properly and not a cheap Chinese unit off of ebay will have no effect outside the parameters of what just about any ECU can handle.  Using your theory on this an intercooler can create an air temperature variance beyond any altitude change an automobile can see while driving down the road.  That just is not possible.

Jake
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77turbopinto

Quote from: Gaslight on September 15, 2006, 09:57:57 PM
No it only controls how fast it opens and closes...

If it is only open for a very short period of time anyway (during shifting), then opening/closing speeds will dictate how much air will be allowed to pass in that same time.

Hypothetical: Lets say that it can be set to open or close fully in .5 seconds VS. .25 seconds, and that it will only be open, or in the process of opening or closing for 2 seconds total. That would mean that it would be FULLY open for 1 second VS. 1.5 seconds. Is that a small difference in air? Yes, maybe, but it is a difference, and a big one when it comes to fuel mixture for a metered air system with a BOV.

With an intake system of 2" to 3" pipes sometimes more than 6' long, plus an I/C, there is a lot of volume trying to escape out a relatively small opening to start with. The opening speed, time, size, and amount of that opening will effect the amount of air that can pass though. 

Getting back to the original question, the 8AU is designed for an I/C, big VAM, and brown tops, and is set up to run the L.U.T.C. so you should be fine (VS. other Ford ECU's) DEPENDING on the set-up you want. If you are running a standard tranny, or don't care about the locking torque converter, go with a LA2, LA3 or PE. BTW: Look at the HP rating for the cars that came with these.

Bill
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Gaslight

No it only controls how fast it opens and closes.  No matter the pressure it will got to full open and full close at 0 manifold pressure.  The HKS website has a pretty good write up on it.  I have had a 88 turbo Supra on meter air and a 85.  The 88 finally got converted to speed density and the 85 still is air meter with a AFM.

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Yes, if it controls the speed (or time, pressure and amount of opening), it controls how much air can flow out and how much reduction in pressure will occur. Again, you can adjust it to release a minimum amount of air and keep the momentary rich condition to a minimum, but at the cost of un-spooling (power) and possible turbo damage depending on boost levels.

Were any of your systems metered air?

Bill

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Gaslight

It just controls the speed of the opening and closing.  It does not make it harder to open or close.  I have used just about every Toyota ECU you can think of.  I have also run most of the GM ecu's, Suburu some Nissan.  I am jsut now atarting to play with the Ford stuff.  I do a lot of work with Innovative Turbo and a few other places locally as far as fab work.

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That's what I thought you were talking about, but the VAM can be tinkered with too. The only bad part is if you adjust the BOV too much it is like not having one at all. At lower boost levels that is not the worst thing, but at higher levels it can be very bad very quickly.

What ECU's have you used? Have they all been metered air systems? Ford or others?

Bill
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Gaslight

Bill,

  The HKS SSBOV is to my knowledge the only one on the market where the intake charge actually hold the valve shut.  So the higher the psi the more it is forced to seal shut.  There is an adjustment screw on the outside of the BOV that allows you to set tension on the actuator.  So you can have a faster or a slower opening and closing.

Jake
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As mentioned in the thread, it is a stock T/C I/C, with the flow going in the correct direction.

I only did one I/C install into a non-I/C set-up and I did have some, be them minor, problems that went away with the la2/big VAM swap. Again, all was well before the I/C, and I did nothing else.

The ECU in a metered air system is designed for a certain amount of air to be between the VAM and the engine at any given time, and for that air to be within a certain temp. range (this is why it will backfire with a BOV; it thinks there is more air in the system than there is, so it still is adding fuel for half a second or so). The la2 (one of the more agressive ones) and others that are made for 'I/C' cars are made to work with the lower intake air temps that an I/C will make (another reason why they added the IAC sensor). This is why you SHOULD run an I/C with a ECU made for one; you will be more likely to get detonation if you don't. For that same reason, you are much better off to change to an "I/C" ECU when you install an I/C (more aggressive timing and fuel curves) to take more advantage of the cooler air temp.


Ford was OVER careful with tuning as they did not want to spend money on warrentying engines so non I/C ECUs are very "MILD". That detail about them keeps them from preforming past a certain point with an I/C.

I am using the generic Bosch BPV set up as a BOV with a check valve (see pic) for now. It has never been an issue.

What spring are you talking about, BOV or VAM? If it is the BOV then you are letting less air out when it does open?

Bill
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Gaslight

Bill,

  Did you yse a different diameter inlet and outlet on your intercooler than the throttle body diameter?  The ECU really should not have any problem with an intercooler addition.  I have done a dozen intercooler installtions on ECU cars that never had intercoolers and some that never even had turbos on them with no issues.  Using a cheap intercooler that cannot flow the correct psi is a problem.  Which BOV are you using?  I use the HKS SSQBOV on just about everything.  I can get the backfiring issue but with a little spring adjusting it will usually disappear.

Jake
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Quote from: Gaslight on September 14, 2006, 04:19:41 PM
Amin,

  The intercooler really won't matter to the ECU...  ...the ECU has the ability to more than handle anything differences the intercooler could cause.

Jake


Yes, the ECU/computer will make some adjustments, but some are not able to handle them as well as others. I know this from my FMIC install, the PC1 (from a non-I/C car) had a hard time with it, mostly on very light accel/decel or WOT. All was great before the FMIC and again after I installed the big VAM and LA2 (less the minor backfiring it does due to a BOV; should get better when I install the BPV). If the computer is from a car with an I/C then you NEED to run an I/C as well as the injectors and VAM from that same car as a matched set UNLESS you are able to do the tuning yourself (adjust the VAM spring tention, install a adjustable FPR,...). You can get away with an I/C in almost any set-up, it just might be quirky like mine was.

You should have the big VAM, brown tops, and I/C and should be go to go for a FMIC. Are you putting the T/C tranny in the Pinto? Rumor has it that the comp.s for the A/T cars are mild compared to the LA2/3. Ford knew the trannies were junk and de-tuned the cars to go easy on them. You can install a LA3 (might need re-pinning) and use the stock Pinto A/T; I ran the PC1.

Find a Merkur or 86 T/C harness, they are much easier to work with!!

IMHO: There are no easy to install FMIC's for Pinto's. Mine took a bunch of work to get in behind the grille and keep the hood latch support intact to the bottom of the rad. support (safety).

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php?topic=5184.0

Bill
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Gaslight

Amin,

  The intercooler really won't matter to the ECU.  The only way it would is if you really muzzled up for a high dollar unit and the intake charge would cool a lot.  The intercoooler will really just take you back to ambient temperature or at least as close as it can to it.  Some do it better than others.  But the ECU has the ability to more than handle anything differences the intercooler could cause.

Jake
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I am getting ready to attempt the 2.3t swap into my 79' sedan and I have a few questions. I'm new to all of this so please excuse any dumb questions. I have an 8UA computer from an auto 88' TC. As I was telling Bill, I really want to run a FMIC. Is this going to be compatible and if so what kind of front mount should I put in there? Thanks. - Amin