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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Chris

i'm not familiar with the removable bar setup. Also it's where my harnesses mount, so the stronger the better. I don't have much need for carrying passengers in the rear seat (which isnt there, anyway) so the welded bar isn't too big of a deal, unless i'm working on something in the rear of the car, and then i have to be a contortionist. Glad the pictures have helped you. If i can help in any other way, let me know

Thanks and Gig em
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skrach

im doing a very similar build. i am also going with a hoop cage, and possible fuel cell.  i was curious why you didnt go with the horizontle removable bar, instead of welding it in? i have a 71 sedan as well. going with subframe connectors, 4 wheel disc brakes, 5 lug all around, posi rear end. thanks for the pictures. it gave me some insight on how things will look..
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

Chris

Funny story, i was reading and online message board and some nut case had done something similar. I figured if it was good enough for him, it was good enough for me ;)
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turbopinto72

Man, why does that fuel cell cage look so familiar???
Brad F
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1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Chris

Howdy

79panel- I couldnt get headers to fit in the 71 engine compartment, so it's got manifolds on it. It's got a new Holley 4bbl and the offy manifold, like you said. Pertronix distributor, Msd 8 mm wires and MSD 6a box. the heads have a hole drilled in them to deal with the odd head temps the 2.8 normally had. Make the temps even out. Heads have been cleaned up in the ports. this model of 2.8 has decent head castings as far as air goes, so there was not much to do. It's ben bored .40 over, has a stock cam and valve train. it was originally a rear sump engine put i put the front sump pinto pan and pick up on it. Only problem is the dipstick goes in the block, not the pan so it's kind of awkward. THe transmission is a 5 speed manual with a hydraulic clutch, it came from a Bronco II. has a short throw shifter. It's a fairly stock engine. a cam and some stiffer valve springs would do wonders, i think. I'm hesitant to do that becasue i don't plan on keepin the engine long term. I'd like to sell the engine as a whole if possible, but if it comes down to it i'll try and get you the valve covers. it's a prety engine, nice and shiney when it's all cleaned up. It only has about 50 miles total on it. Bought it rebuilt and never run from a guy who was going to drop it in an MG.
Thanks for the interest, and take care.

chris
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wagonmaster

Hey Chris,

What do you have done to the V6 that's in your car? I see it has the Offy mani and 4-barrel. Does it have headers and, if so, whose? Does it have a perf cam in it? What trans are you using? I'm still interested in the valve covers or possibly the whole engine, when you get to that point. Take care!

Brien
Brien - wagonmaster
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Chris

A few things that have happened this summer and in the past spring...
Roll cage, racing seat and harnesses, trunk redo. Looks like no engine this summer, or any time in the near future. School has gotten too expensive, and the Pinto will have to wait. But as always, here are some pictures. They talk better than me.

I needed a way to mount the fuel cell in the trunk, and angle iron sounded like a good idea so we got on that.



I cut out the trunk floor and spare tire recess and all that with a jig saw, which was not the easiest of tasks, but it got done. A 1/8" piece of sheet metal was put in it's place and a hole was cut for the fuel cell...cage, for lack of better term. When it was all done, it looked like this



With the fuel cell in- It does sit a little low, and with the outlet fitting facing the rear they sit just under the rear valance which, I suppose, does nothing to rid the pinto of it's infamous "explode upon rear impact" reputation, and it defeats the purpose of a fuel cell. It needs to be fixed in the future, but for now it works.



The roll cage went in shortly after, at least most of it. Supports that go from the hoop to the front subframe aren't in. Not sure exactly how to put them in, either. I'll deal with that one later.


another shot


I got it all in, harness brackets, seat, etc this past weekend. Sadly my camera got stolen so I'm out of business til I get a new one. I'll get some shots up, though. Let me know if you have any requests.
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Chris

Thanks for all the comments.
The gas filler question can be answered by computer editing. That was the only old picture i have, and it was facing the wrong way, so i flipped it around so it'd face the same direction as the other pictures. Good eye.
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High_Horse

Bravo Chris,
     You have one bad butt healthy lookin Pinto there. Nice, nice carrrrr!!!!!!!
                                                                                          High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

The photo negative was processed backwards.
From Pintony

ptsherman

Hm....how did the fuel filler cap switch sides from the first pic to the subsequent ones!?!?!

Gaslight

Nice to see it as it progressed.  I always like the old US Indy mags.  I can't say as I agree with the displacement comment.  Things have changed.  I have a 3.0 liter motor putting out 680 hp at the flywheel.  I am getting ready to put that SVO motor in my Pinto and will be following a friends example who has a 260 hp at the wheels engine in his Merkur.  The new EVO 8 is a monster with a 2.0 liter.  That displacement comment is kind of being proved wrong of late.  Love the Pinto though.  Keep it up.

Jake
My new answering machine message:   
"I am not available right now, but thank you for caring enough to call.
I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
If I do not return your call, you are one of the changes."

Chris

I thought this was kind of cool. I found a picture of the car at different times to see how much it's changed. It's taken a long long time to get it where it is.



The first pic is from when we bought it for 300 dollars. It had a 1.6 and a melted piston. My dad and i replaced the piston and drove it around.
The second is when it had a Racing 2.3. I was dumb for taking it out.
The last is how it currently sits. The wheels in the first two pictures are pretty heinous.
I'm going to try and put the roll cage in this weekend (i always say it but never do) and i just bought a roller 302 to build up by this summer/fall. I was going to go turbo 4 for a while, but when it comes down to it, there is no replacment for displacment. I'll keep you posted on all that
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PinkPintoRacer

Thanks for the info, I will have to go to the bone yard and find one now. Our track lets us run aftermarket spoilers, and I am like you, dont want to buy a new one.  Especially for a race car.......  Great looking car.

Chris

The spoiler came off an 80-somethin camaro. I bought it on ebay for 10 dollars (inc. shipping) i didnt feel like spending 90 on a real Pinto spoiler. It bolted on nicely, about an inch and a half gap on each side of the trunk, but the look grows on me.

And thanks, Brad, it works, for now  ;)
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turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

PinkPintoRacer

Nice looking car!!!!  Where did you get the rear spoiler....... ???

Chris

I’ve been doing a little work to my Pinto latley. I painted it, ordered a roll bar, got a new center section for the 8”, other assorted things. Thought I’d post a few pics and update things a little.
I’m getting a new fuel cell and carb this week. I’ll let everyone know how it goes.
Some pics-
The old center section onthe left, new one on the right. Has 4.30 gears and a spool. got it for $50 and has just been rebuilt



Paint...just to get it all one color and looking semi-decent..professional paint and body work is on the list of things to do.



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Chris

Seems evey time i post, there is an internal server error and it dosent go through. So i've been up to a few small things latley...
I got a new fiberglass hood from ebay, i ordered the inline radiator filler, new front brake line, other assorted stuff.
I'm having a large problem with the brake lines in the front. I need the right size fitting and a disc brake prop. valve. Local junk yard wants 50 dollars for one  :-\

Good news, money wise...A&M is giving me some big butt cash money in a couple of months, and you can believe things here will pick up when i get that fundage. Nothing ridiculous. Most of it is going to go to the engine which i hope to be done a year from now or so.
Any suggestions on what to do? 302, 331, 347? 12:1 compression, 10:1....AFR 185 or 205 heads? Roller cam, or non? I'm not 100% set on what i'm going to do yet, so outside input is always welcomed.

Anyway here are a few pics. I got a spoiler from a 70's camaro that will be going on soon, and i'm looking for some new tailights from a 64 cyclone or maybe a biscayne or something of the sort. Any ideas on tailights are welcomed too. Once i get all that done i'm going to paint it and be "done" with it until the SBF goes in.

New hood


Radiator Filler, shorter air filter.


The resident pig, Arnold
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wagonmaster

Say Chris, when you install the SBF, would you be interested in selling the rocker covers off the V6?
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Glassman

Great work. Keep the pictures coming.

Chris

Some before/after pics...it's come a long way   ;D







It's been really hot and i havent gotten much work done. I did buy a 263 piece craftsman toolset recently though.
Engine needs some tuning up. I'll be doing that within the next few days. the list of stuff to do keeps getting shorter. When i'm done with this list, i'll start making the list for the SBF conversion. I should be getting the forged dome pistons within the next week or so. Still looking for a roller block (87 and up) if anyone knows where one is for cheap, i'd like to know.

I'll keep everyone posted though.
thanks
-chris
1971 Pinto

Chris

I did this last week but as I posted there was an internal server error. Oh well. I’ll give the short version.

Last last week (last week in April) I took The Pinto on his first drive in a while. New wheels and tires were on, center caps were on. Seat was held in by one bolt and I had 2/5th of my 5 point harness in. I'm driving down the road and there is a little bit of smoke coming in the car. I dismiss it at first, because I think it’s just burning off paint, oil, all kinds of who knows what. Well, it keeps on smoking lightly. It didn’t smell like anything, just thin white smoke. About that time I notice my oil pressure is at 10 lbs and slowly falling. I HAD to make it to where I was going, it was only about a minute ahead, so I put it in 5th gear and rolled on ahead. 1300 rpm, 10lbs of oil. I pulled in to the parking lot at my destination and opened the hood to see what was smoking. My friends who were in the convoy with me directed me to the passenger side of my car. It was covered in oil. Pretty much I'm stupid, and the tire rubbed through a remote oil line. Thus, oil leaked everywhere.

Towed it home the next day, pulled off the remote oil filter crap, screwed on a regular oil filter, put 5 new quarts of Castrol GTX 20-50 in, and he is back in action. What worst is that I didn’t even NEED the remote oil filter (I did when I had headers on, but I couldn’t run an exhaust with those headers so it’s got manifolds on now) Simple problem that could have been avoided. Live and learn, though.

This past weekend I rebuilt the carburetor. It isn’t running right still. But I rebuilt the Holley 450 with #48 jets and a 3.5 power valve. I think it needs to be timed again, maybe a new distributor cap and rotor and hopefully it will be running perfectly. It’s definitely much better after the carb rebuild. (it’s  not rough around 1500-2000 anymore, Brad) I’ll try some fine tuning when school is over and I go home for the summer TOMORROW.

The new leaf springs I put in are longer than the stock ones, so the rear shackles have folded and hit the frame. I'm going to try and flip the hanger, and if that doesn’t work, I’ll build a shackle lift (I’ll probably build the shackle lift anyway,

Anyway that’s about all I have to offer for now. Of course, here are the pictures of everything.

Tires, wheels, and chin spoiler on.


Another shot


The oil hole..


Where all the oil went


the genuis solution


prop valve installed right by the seat


Engine. (Kinda shiney  :) )

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Chris

A few more pictures...
The center caps

The tires
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Chris

Sorry it’s been so long guys. I’ve gotten a fair amount of work done in two weekends, though.

Last weekend I got the old rear all the way out and I got the new leafs and backing plates bolted to the 8”. Had to buy some new U-bolts and drill the shock mounting plates (until I get the right ones off a maverick) but other than that, it was pretty much a bolt in deal. I was surprised. I got it in there and ordered brake parts. Drums, shoes, wheel cylinders.

This most recent past weekend I got the pinto e-brake cable on and adjusted, got the new wheel cylinders and shoes on, put the drums on. Ran the front braided lines and hooked up the rear metal line. Tightened up assorted bolts and double checked things. And I ordered some new tires. The front ones weren’t doin it for me and they were 220 or so dollars. So I went back to Discount tire and told them what I wanted. They were nice about it. Took back the front tires since I hadn’t used them, gave me some credit, and I ordered Yokohama AVS ES100s. 195 50 15 in the front, 225 50 15 in the back. I also ordered some center caps for the Mag 500’s (shiney spinners, of course) and I have wheel spacers and my Wilwood proportioning valve in hand. So this weekend it should be rolling, and I’ll be taking it on a test drive to see my wonderful, surprisingly understanding girlfriend perform at a dance show thing. I'm sure I'm forgetting some things, since it’s been so long. But on to what matters most…pictures!

The 8" rear end


the old 6 3/4"


New Afco leaf springs from Summit


Everything painted and about to go together


Rear in place. Kept the KYB Gas-a-just shocks. they worked well before  :)


Side view


Crappy picture of the front line on the caliper. (things are getting dirty already :( )


Picture of the car after i bolted on the front spoiler. Got it off ebay but didnt put it on because the 13" wheels didnt allow for much ground clearance


That's all i have for now. Questions/comments always welcome. Next week i'll get pictures of it with the wheels and tires on! maybe some beauty shots, who knows.
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wagonmaster

Hey Chris!
Good luck with the rearend! Looking forward to seeing your photo journal of the event!! Thanks for the feedback on the Konis. I know the fronts can be found, but the rears are a whole other story! I've been lucky to find some for the rear of my panel, because they are different that the sedan/hatchback and they were the first number to get discontinued for the Pinto. I keep looking though, so I can have some spares for the day I will need to replace them.
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Chris

wooooooo. Just picked up a 5-lug 8" rear from a bobcat in Junction, Texas. It took 3 hours of driving but it was well well worth it. And i was in good company. Anyway, i'm going to start tearing down the rear of the car sometimes around.........Now. It's 9:00 PM Texas time on saturday.   ;D I'll take some pics and post them sunday/monday. My goal for this weekend is get the back half apart. (springs, shocks, rear...also take out the fuel cel in the trunk so i can prepare to cut out the floor of the trunk)  It should be easy, i'm good at destroying things :)
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Chris

haha..i'm pleased to see people have read this post. Thanks for the feedback.

79panel, The Koni shocks came with another Pinto i bought. If you look them up on the Koni website, you can find them for sale as well as at Racerwalsh.com.

Tercin the Magnum 500's are 15X7 on the front and they don’t rub, surprisingly. I say that having only driven it about a block and back, though. They are a close fit. I had to use 15's with the Wilwood brakes. But so far, no rubbing. Had the brakes not specifically said "for use with 15" wheel or bigger" I’d have gone with a 14.

For the rear I’m putting an 8" out of a bobcat in there that I’m picking up this weekend.., stock gears, stock brakes, all that (for now). I have Magnum 500 15X8's for the back.

Then this summer/fall...there is going to be a 302 build up, some adjustable coil overs for the front, sub frame connectors, a locker and some nice gears for the rear end as well as (maybe) a disc conversion back there too. Some traction bars, a roll bar, and lots of other assorted, sure to be expensive parts. Going to re-do the engine compartment with sheet metal and make it look pretty. But that's all in the distant future.

Sorry I don’t have any pretty pictures from this weekend, but sadly (cry with me...) i didn’t get a chance to work on The Pinto. This weekend the girlfriend is coming up to A&M which means no work, either. Sooo it looks like it will be a week or so before i get the back half torn apart and put back together...but I’ll be sure to chronicle it as well. Thanks for your feedback, and keep it coming. I appreciate it!
1971 Pinto

Tercin

Those Magnum 500s look great, are they 14" or 15" Do you have any rubbing problems. What are your plans for the rear?
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

wagonmaster

I see you went "FIRST CLASS" with the shocks and are using Konis! Great choice! Do you have any sources that have anymore Konis for the Pinto? Thanks for the post on your frontend experience. I'll be doing this to my 79 Panel in the not too distant future.
Brien - wagonmaster
'85 LTD LX
'85 LTD Squire wagon