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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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stever

i was going to ask this? :text_yb_lol:
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

earthquake

No it's correct.We compete in IASCA outlaw SPL competitions.The system pushes around 12,800 watts through 6 15 in subs,good for 161.7 db.As it stands we are one of the most popular compeditors beacuse of the fact we use an 80 crusin wagon.People just love the car,I dont know maby they just like it cause it's not a honda
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

goodolboydws


Earthquake,

Well, unless you have one really, really, powerful and heavy stereo system, or something such as bulletproof glass or armor plate was added before you got the vehicle, I'd suspect that the scale is off or that therewas residue on the scale.

Sometimes the scales at places such as rock quarries or even bone yards aren't zeroed or have a lot of residue sitting on the scales, which is why when they give a weight for vehicles  coming in and a weight when they come out and bill or pay for the difference in weight, it doesn't matter that much, as the weight of residue is fairly constant.   Plus if you're off by a couple of hundred pounds on a 20+ ton load, it's not that significant.

On the other hand, if that scale really IS off by that much, that's where I'd favor going if I had something to sell, that was being sold by the pound. 

(The wrestler sharing your screen name is probably before your time, and probably weighed over 400#, so if HE was sitting in the car or standing on the scale when it was weighed.....)

earthquake

actually the tank was half full,never did weigh it before we installed the stereo.and never heard of that wrestler.
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

goodolboydws

earthquake,

I'll bet that your 3315# was with a full tank and you in the car, right?

I believe that the quoted weight for cars of the Pinto era, especially the domestic ones, is supposed to be the factory finished weight, which one would hope was with an empty fuel tank and no driver or cargo onboard.

P.S. Could there be any similarity between you and a wrestler named Earthquake McGoon?

earthquake

2880s not bad,my 80 crusin wagon tips them at 3315 with the 4 cyl 5 sp 8"
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

bigbill

I weighed my 72 wagon on a set of scales in my next-door buddy's race car shop and it weighed 2273 lbs. in stock street driven form. I have now taken a lot of weight out of the car in the process of changing it to a 5.0, T-5, and an 8.8 rear end. The engine is from a 83 Mustang and the trans and rear end are from a 88 T-Bird Turbo Coupe. My goal is to keep the finished weight under 2350 lbs.

Pintony

2880????? What a TANK!!!!!!
How many 10" subs you got in the back????
From Pintony

hoots

I ran my wagon across the scale and it was 2880, that's with the 302/C4 swap.

dirt track demon

Hmmmmmm. With the diet we put my 71 Runabout on before stuffing the 302 & C4 in, it's possible mine might weigh in around 2000 lbs. Now I gotta find a scale somewhere and weigh it. Hopefully, the scale at teh track still works and they let me weigh it next time.

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If there are any truck stops near you. most have certified scales.  the cost is usually 8 dollars american.  you will even get a nice little peice of paper for your eight bucks.  put one set of wheels on one pad and the back on the other, It will give you the front and rear weights plus a total weight.  Go in and get your slip. then go back and park crossways( left side on one pad and right on the other), tell the weigh person on the intercom this is your second weigh and for only a dollar more you will get side to side dimensions.  And with this info you can figure your cross weight with the right formulas. I dont know the formulas. I have a guy that figures them for me but he wont give up the info.  Speedway has a book about ponycars and ministocks that will give you the info. It is somewhere between 25 and 30 dollars,  but im a cheapskate sometimes, and havent bought it yet.  Hope this helps, but it might keep you up all night thinking too!  :D
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78pinto

my car weighs 2743 lbs with a 351w , C4 and Nine inch rearend. Full fuel cell.
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Quote from: holsterguy on July 23, 2004, 05:26:23 AM
In response to my own post requesting weights on the various Pinto years, after a lot of searching I located the following posted on the turboford (archives) site:

1971
sedan 1949
runabout 1994

Hmmmmmm. With the diet we put my 71 Runabout on before stuffing the 302 & C4 in, it's possible mine might weigh in around 2000 lbs. Now I gotta find a scale somewhere and weigh it. Hopefully, the scale at teh track still works and they let me weigh it next time.
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71 Pinto 306 10.0:1 351w heads
Comp Cams: .554/.558 lift .294/.306 duration
Torquer II Intake - Holley 750 HP
Sepanek's Racing Transmissions C4 (Full Manual)
8" rear (4.62 spooled)

WVBobcat77

You can go to www.NADA.com and get a value and the other info online ;)
Bill in WV

1977 Bobcat
1978 Pinto - V6 Sedan

Poison Pinto

The NADA appraisal guides include weights. These aren't as specific as the ones on  turboford in that they don't specify engine size. Naturally, living in Australia, it may be difficult to get ahold of NADA guides!

For the Bobcat:

1975
3 Dr Runabout 2551
Villager 2 Dr Stn Wgn 3960

1976
3 Dr Sedan Runabout 2535
2 Dr Station Wagon 2668

1977
3 Dr Sedan Runabout 2369
2 Dr Station Wagon 2505

1978
3 Dr Sedan Runabout 2389
2 Dr Station Wagon 2532

1979
3 Dr Sedan Runabout 2424
2 Dr Station Wagon 2565

1980
3 Dr Runabout 2445
2 Dr Station Wagon 2573

The current NADA guide also gives *slightly* different weights for the Pintos:

1971
3 Dr Hatchback 1993
2 Dr Sedan 1949

1972
3 Dr Runabout 2099
2 Dr Sedan 2061
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2283

1973
3 Dr Runabout 2145
2 Dr Sedan 2115
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2386

1974
3 Dr Runabout 2406
2 Dr Sedan 2372
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2576

1975
3 Dr Runabout 2528
2 Dr Sedan 2495
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2692

1976
3 Dr Runabout 2482
2 Dr Sedan 2452
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2635

1977
3 Dr Runabout 2351
2 Dr Sedan 2315
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2515

1978
3 Dr Runabout 2381
2 Dr Sedan 2337
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2521

1979
3 Dr Runabout 2392
2 Dr Sedan 2346
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2532

1980
3 Dr Runabout 2426
2 Dr Sedan 2385
2 Dr Stn Wgn 2553
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

holsterguy

In response to my own post requesting weights on the various Pinto years, after a lot of searching I located the following posted on the turboford (archives) site:

1971
sedan 1949
runabout 1994

1972
Sedan 1968
Runabout 2012
wagon 2293

1973
sedan 2124
runabout 2162
wagon 2397

1974
sedan 2373
runabout 2402
wagon 2576

1975
sedan 2595
runabout 4 cyl 2528 6 cyl 2710
wagon 4 cyl 2692 6 cyl 2874

1976
sedan 2452/2590
runabout 2485/2620
wagon 2635/2773
Squire add 38 lbs

1977
sedan 2315/2438
runabout 2351/2474
wagon 2515/2638
Squire add 38 lbs

1978
sedan 2337/2463
runabout 2381/2507
wagon 2521/2637
Squire add 38 lbs

1979
Sedan 2346/2446
runabout 2392/2492
wagon 2532/2610
Squire add 36 lbs

1980
Sedan 2385
runabout 2426
wagon 2553
Squire add 37 lbs

These weights are not including options.
Richard 'Red' Nichols
Melbourne Australia