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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

71 pinto 2.0 or 302

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77turbopinto

A turbo swap is not that hard at all. Minimal mod.s to the car itself. I would think that it is about the same difficulty as a v8. I had all the MII v8 parts at one time and realized that I would have to modify some of them anyway. I still want to do a v8 at some point too, but the turbo is nice (not a direct bolt in, see my posts. I got mine in under the stock hood). I have not had any heat (MII v8 radiator), or turbo issues. My T/C donor car had 170K on it, I did very little to the engine before the swap (t.belt, tune-up, and water + oil pumps), and it runs great.

Bill
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grgic

Pintony
I'm watching the auction for the rings and also the 302 out of a 78 MII
thanks
Joe

Pintony

hello Joe,
The cortina 2.0 was the same as Pinto.
BUT there was a OHC 1600. in england
Looks just like the 2.0 but has less bore-stroke???
The 2.0 was installed in english sierra until the mid 90's
From Pintony,
There is a stock set of rings on ebay right now.
I'll try to keep you posted when I see items pop-up on ebay that you may need.
Hard to believe that these parts are getting hard to find.
I guess with the gas prices there will be a run on these parts for people tring to put their small enginae back on the road???
I'll look around and see what I have.
From Pintony


grgic

Pintony
so a ring kit bearings or gasket set will fit my engine?
Joe

Pintony

Hey Joe,
Yes the Cortina is the same 2.0 only the cortina has a rear sump oil pan and pick-up.
From Pintony

grgic

Pintony
I keep seeing thees 2.0 cortina parts from Europe. are they the same engine??

Pintony

Hello Joe,
Keep checking ebay!
I see 2.0 parts on there all the time.
Good deals too!!!!
From Pintony

grgic

well I looked at the engine in my 92 mustang. the pan is a rear sump, I would end up needing a whole engine to swap parts from to make it work.  I have also read some of the projects stories about putting a 302 into a 72 Pinto.
I don't think I want to cut or hammer my car just yet. My 2.0 is too far gone to rebuild and i cant locate parts to rebuild the stock 2.0 block I have in my possession. I don't think any of the local bone yards around here would even look to see if they have one after they stop laughing when i tell them what i want.
Any thoughts, suggestions or prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Joe

redmustangman3

I owned a 72 Pinto hatchback with a 1984 Mustang SVO 2.3 turbo, 5-speed, 8" rear end. I loved the car and it was wicked fast. I made the mistake of looking at a 71 with a built 289 small block, C4, 9" rear and I just had to have it. There is no sound like a Ford small block winding up. I sold the 72 and bought the 71 and I've never been happier. Look under "Your Pintos- Joe's 1971 Pinto " to see the car. The 71 is also very fast ( in a straight line of cource) !!! Regards, Joe
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

71hotrodpinto

Hey pintony!
Yeah i ran the whole setup just as crower recommended . Lash caps, springs, "high performance" followers, and checking the "wipe" with prussian blue on the followers.  I spent HOURS making sure that every single follower had the right wipe pattern.
The only thing i couldn't do was to run light "break in springs" for the initial fire up ,and then change to the regular springs. So that was i think that was the nail in the coffin. I already had 500 or more in all the parts and gaskets etc. so i was broke and i needed a car to get to work. I took a chance on it being ok. Esslinger also told me that they run the cams on "break in" with the springs that they intend on running, and that they never heard of "break in springs".
  I guess that it always pays to follow the directions to the "TEE".
However i would've kept that lil motor if i could've re-bored to .04 without problems. But the cost of the components was going to be real high. 175 for rings, 400 to re-bore the block and 200 per if i needed to sleeve. Crank work new pistons, etc etc. i priced it out @ over $2000 and that made me go to the 302.
i still think that i Couldv'e gotten about 150 horse with a 2.3 naturally aspirated with Weber's and ranger roller cam.
But I'm too far gone into the v8 project,  and i still want a V8 for the RUMBLEBLEBLEBLEBLEBELBEL !! LOL   ;D

Pintony

Hey 71hotrodpinto,
I was reading about your cam problems in your 2.0....
Did you get a cam with a mall base circle??
You have to run the longer valves if you have the small base circle cam.
OR run lash caps. ::)
From Pintony

grgic

Robert
Funny you should mention a 2.3 swap. I have a 92 mustang with a 2.3. I am pulling the engine out tomarrow and junking the car. it runs great and was my daily driver until I found a 90 hatch back I liked better. the eng was strong and i have a 2.3 bell and 4 sp tranny. I would most likely put an intake and carb on it and i would switch it over to a distributer ignition. But then i think if I'm going to transplant an engine why not go for the 302.
But as I look at my pinto with a hole where the engine used to be I cant help but think of my wallet with a hole where my money used to be.
Joe

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: jgpinto72 on September 02, 2005, 03:36:54 PM
Well I decided to keep the 2.0 however I pulled the head off and found a bad score in the #3 cylinder.
that in itself is not so bad except I also found the engine has been bored .30 over and I cant find a ring kit for it anywhere local (SW PA). most local parts shops list a re-ring kit but when they check availability it is discontinued.
So I don't think I can bore the block any more and even if i could I cant find rings let alone pistons.
not sure where to go from here.

Hey there Jg.
Yes i faced the same dilemma when I rebuilt the engine in my pinto 10 years ago but cores were fairly plentiful. The 2.0 I had ran real strong for an automatic 4 banger .However everytime i needed or wanted to get more power from a naturally aspirated combo i was faced with real expensive parts or non existant parts. The last cam upgrade which cost me over $500 for the cam , followers and springs , started to wear real fast. I used all the break in lube and and break in oil additives that crower recommended and still it turned to crap.
Also when the 2.0's are subject to high horsepower or high rpms they bend cranks. Mine was bent and it wiped out the center main bearing. (all the other bearings had another 50,000 or more left on them. also the vibration was intense.)
Anyways I cant recommend the v8 conversion because if you want a clean install , its just a pain and costs lots more than I thought.
Hindsight being what it is, I should've gone with a 2.3 ,and maybe a turbo ,but I'm just not fond of turbos. Yes they make lots of power but they also make tons of heat and that worries me. Others may have other info, but Ive heard of cracked manifolds and cooked oil and wasted turbo bearings. Plus the massive complexity of wiring and intercooler piping if you went that route.
I used to own a 73 wagon and I was planning to plug a late 90's ranger 2.3 in there with the fuel injection etc. with massive reliability but that never happend. My 97 Ford Ranger would have  plenty of power for a lightweight car, but in the truck its pretty much a dog when you have the ac on or when you are hauling anything over 500 lbs. If you used a ranger 2.3 you'd have to get a thunderbird turbo coupe bell, flywheel , and T5 trans because you DONT want the ranger Mazda 5 speed. Its a bulky clunky trans
You know that I was wondering what kind of 4 Cly engine that the 2003 and up ranger has . I heard that its got 130 horses
and might be patterned after the ztec in the focus. But I'm not sure on that.
Anyways hope i gave you some info that might help.
have fun!
Robert

grgic

Well I decided to keep the 2.0 however I pulled the head off and found a bad score in the #3 cylinder.
that in itself is not so bad except I also found the engine has been bored .30 over and I cant find a ring kit for it anywhere local (SW PA). most local parts shops list a re-ring kit but when they check availability it is discontinued.
So I don't think I can bore the block any more and even if i could I cant find rings let alone pistons.
not sure where to go from here.





Pintony

My Vote is for the 2.0 also.
V8 performance while still getting 25 MPG.
From pintony

grgic

Thanks, I have a rear end from a 77 Granada I am told will bolt in with some shock mount mods. I am putting that in either way. I am leaning towards the 2.0 so far. I love passing people at 95 mph with my little 4 cylinder.
still cant get the thought of the 302 out of my mind. not to mention the the sound of a nice v8 with glass packs dumping out just in front of the rear wheels. I also have a set of 14 inch mustang wheels I will put on if i need more traction.

turbopinto72

Hey Joe, Thats the $24 question. On one hand, you have a nice intact pinto and can "restore" it with the 2.0. And on the other hand is something you have allways wanted. For more food for thought, The 302 will require a better rear end ( at some point) bigger tires ( for traction) and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff you will buy ( because, you might as well as long as its apart). The 2.0, you can do a mild build on the motor ( cam, head work, pulleys, header etc) and bolt it right back in and go with no "visible" signs of modifications ( or very little).
just my 2c
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

grgic

I have a 71 Pinto with a  2.0 4 speed. the engine developed blow by and has recently become undrivable.
almost no compression in #3 cylinder. (not the valves).  the question I ask is, Do I rebuild the 2.0 or put in a 302 automatic. I am an ASE master mechanic so skill level and ability to fabricate is not a consideration. I figure the cost to  properly  rebuild the 2.0  would be about the same as getting a good used 302.  I am aware of the problems with the radiator, bell housing and exhaust and I just don't know if I can cut on this car. it is very clean and solid. (the sad thing is I was going to have it painted next month). I was not unhappy with the performance i was getting with the 2.0 and if I rebuild it I will ensure that i get even more performance out of it, but I have always wanted to have a 302 Pinto.
any thoughts or input would be appreciated
Joe