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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

13" tire options on American Racing Libras

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fordblue72

On EBay, about $280 shipped for 4... I have them on my 72, so far so good.

PinPan

Quote from: GroceryGetter on July 07, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
Hello again to all.  I pulled the trigger on the ProMeter LL600 in 205/60R13 from SimpleTire since it was the best deal.  They were listed at $50 each, but I tacked on the 5% military discount (I was USAF years ago) they have so they were only $190 for the four.  It seems they upped the price since then.



This is the top wheel on the stack.  I don't trust the old tires since I have no idea how old they are even though the RWL looks pretty awesome.



You got a great deal!  I went to their site and they don't list a prometer LL600 205/60/13", only 15 & 17.  A search for 205-60-13 comes up with a few tires, the cheapest one being the BFG radial T/A. @ $144ea.


Srt


many moons ago I used to run 185/70-13 continental or Pirelli radials stretched over some 7" wide steel stock center rims with a 4" back spacing.  they were great. hard to find now-a-days though as you have noticed. my car was down on the ground and they filled up the wheel wells just fine.


they got me down the road, around the corners and to the finish line with no troubles.



the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

PinPan

BFG still makes a 205/60/13 Radial T/A with white letters.  Just ordered a couple from Tire rack, not cheap @ $128 ea., but at least they are still available.   :)

robertwwithee

Quote from: robertwwithee on July 13, 2018, 11:11:17 AM
Ive had that set for approx. 2000 miles and found them to be a good bargain tire.

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robertwwithee

Quote from: GroceryGetter on July 02, 2018, 09:57:07 PM
Hey all.  Thanks for the latest input.

The suggestions for 14" and 15" tires is sound advice, but having just bought the wheels I'm going to fight finding the right set before I throw in the towel.

Another manufacturer that popped up is PRO METER and they have an all season 205/60R13 with their LL600 line.  It's a fair all season tire that's DOT approved and prices range anywhere from $50 to $70 a tire.
Ive had that set for approx. 2000 miles and found them to be a good bargain tire.

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nnn0wqk

Back in the day (1974) my car originally came with Michelin X radial tires. The size at the time was 175-13. Still have the original spare. A search on EBay shows that the size is still available. Just have to make sure your not looking at trailer tires. I did not find Raised White Letters or Raised Outline Letters which I always thought of going with, but white walls are still out there. I realize the trend is to a larger tire in most cases but for those who want to stay with the original size they are still out there and the price was not that bad either.     

Wittsend


Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on July 04, 2018, 11:33:41 PM
The difference is 0.05mm, which is 0.002in. I doubt the bolt pattern is held to that small of of a tolerance in manufacturing, so yeah they'll fit.


And if not..., lap the lug nuts to the wheel.  :)


Yes, tolerance, deflection etc. should play in your favor. I would tighten the nuts down incrementally to distribute any potential issues though I doubt there will be any.

GroceryGetter

Hello again to all.  I pulled the trigger on the ProMeter LL600 in 205/60R13 from SimpleTire since it was the best deal.  They were listed at $50 each, but I tacked on the 5% military discount (I was USAF years ago) they have so they were only $190 for the four.  It seems they upped the price since then.



This is the top wheel on the stack.  I don't trust the old tires since I have no idea how old they are even though the RWL looks pretty awesome.




65ShelbyClone

The difference is 0.05mm, which is 0.002in. I doubt the bolt pattern is held to that small of of a tolerance in manufacturing, so yeah they'll fit.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

ponyboy

the Pinto lug pattern is 4x4.25. That comes to 107.95 in mm, just slightly smaller than the 108s. I'm sure the 108s would go on the studs ok, but I don't know if the lugs would seat properly. The 108 wheels would be neither lug centric or hub centric. I found a set of 15" 4x108 chrome smoothie wheels, but even if they fit, they would need huge tires on them to avoid the ghetto look. That would probably work in the rear, but might hit something in the front at full lock, or even hit the fenders when driving over a bump in the middle of a turn. My car still has the original oem spare, Goodyear Polyglas Belted with RWL. I actually used that spare for a couple of weeks with no problems. But even it looked a bit on the small side. I wouldn't mind having something a little larger in diameter, but don't really want to go wider than a 70 series.

dick1172762

Quote from: Wittsend on June 27, 2018, 06:07:11 PM

We need not even stick our fingers down our throats to Barf on these!
Spotted at my local Auto zone.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

I've had good luck on e-bay with Federal 205/60/13's. Got to look every day. I've heard there still for sale south of the border and in England.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

douglasskemp

Since my mom's 78 is now my brother's and he saw that I had some lacy spoke wheels left over from the M2s I sold, and wants to use them, he'll need to know about 13" tires and the available options.

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The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

GroceryGetter

Hey all.  Thanks for the latest input.

The suggestions for 14" and 15" tires is sound advice, but having just bought the wheels I'm going to fight finding the right set before I throw in the towel.

Another manufacturer that popped up is PRO METER and they have an all season 205/60R13 with their LL600 line.  It's a fair all season tire that's DOT approved and prices range anywhere from $50 to $70 a tire.

65ShelbyClone

I had 13" Minilite-style wheels on my car briefly.


They had some ancient Goodyear P-Metrics on them. When's the last time you saw those?

Quote from: GroceryGetter on June 25, 2018, 01:30:08 PMThoughts or input?
My thoughts are that the Firestones are expensive. The Yokohamas are a DOT-legal race tire and probably won't last all that long. IMO, get whatever 13s you can find that fit the bill and plan to eventually either pay dearly for 13" tires or swap the rims. Nearly 10 years ago I was noticing that even the 14" tire selection was rapidly shrinking.
I was forced to go 15" when I upgraded the brakes to 11" Granada rotors.

'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

douglasskemp

Toyed with the idea of minilite type wheels on my Pinto. I really like the 70s and 80s rally racing scene.

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The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

Wittsend

But these should put a smile on most faces (note some even 13").

Wittsend


Quote from: ponyboy on June 26, 2018, 10:48:06 PM
... I still like too small better than way too big, which is the trend these days. I don't even want to think about a Pinto with 20 inch "rims" To me that would be totally ghetto. ...


We need not even stick our fingers down our throats to Barf on these!

robertwwithee

Quote from: Wittsend on June 26, 2018, 12:41:42 AM
Try finding 215-50-13" anywhere today, like those on my Datsun 510!
Those wheels look fantastic on 510s

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pinto_one

Had a set of Appliance 14 - 7 slots on a 80 pinto , still looking for another set and very rare , like the old school looks of the slots wheels , they do make others but do not like the looks , 15' are the max for all around unless you got a drag car , had 195 55 15 and was the same height of the 195 70 13s and was very wide , then went to 205 60 15s ,taller and fit well and find just right , rims are 15 by 7 , here are the tires side by side to give you the idea , the tires and wheels do not stck out and clear everything , still you still have a huge space in the rear wheel well in the back
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

ponyboy

I am currently using Primewell 185/70-13s on my Pinto wagon. I know they are a bit small, but they were as close as I could find. I have the Appliance 5 slotted aluminum wheels that came on the car when new, and don't want to give them up. I only drive it around town, so the lower gearing caused by the smaller diameter tires is not a problem. Larger diameter tires would certainly look better, but I still like too small better than way too big, which is the trend these days. I don't even want to think about a Pinto with 20 inch "rims" To me that would be totally ghetto. Some time ago, U.S. Wheel made 14x6 chrome smoothies with the Pinto's 4 lug pattern, but they don't anymore. I wish I had gotten a set. When I first got the car, I put 190/75-13 whitewalls on it, but they quit making those shortly thereafter.

Wittsend

Try finding 215-50-13" anywhere today, like those on my Datsun 510!

LongTimeFordMan

Hi..

I have 14" american racing 4 lug  rims and tires on my 73 wagon with 4 speed and 3.40 gears and tey seem to work well over all. The diameter providez a bitf over vearing so that the engine is turning about 3000 rpm at70 mph.

They were on the car when I got it 3 years ago and I think they are crom Pep Boys.

Heres a link a photo of the rims
https://www.cjponyparts.com/american-racing-outlaw-ii-wheel-14-x7-natural-4-lug-1965-1973/p/W126/?year=1973&gclid=Cj0KCQjwpcLZBRCnARIsAMPBgF3E_wsg9lrXjL-gX9qmmXY4p8x1A0NOR7t7euTACft7KqPSryr-uk8aAm1fEALw_wcB

And my car
Red 1973 pinto wagon DD, SoCal desert car, Factory 4 speed, 3.40 gears, Stock engine, 14" rims and tires, 60 K original miles

pinto_one

Been trough a pile of diffrent rims and wheels , problem now is the 13" tire will be hard to get one day , the opt tire for the pinto was a A70 R 13 ,  or 195 70 R13 , now imposable to find here in the states , last set I got was ten years ago , brought 4 and a few years ago one blew up when I ran over something on the highway , next if you can find a set are 14" slots , fit well but also hard to find , the 205 60 13' inch is wider but also lower than the stock 13 tires , also the next worst this is the Pinto has huge wheel wells , looks like your running donut tires , brought a pinto the was cut up just for a few parts but has 14" wheels ,195 70 R14 ,  ran those before when you could buy them in the mid 80s , but the 14 inch tires are also kind of going away slowly , next is the 15' tires I have on my car now ,, 205 60 R15 , clears everything and rides great , fills the wheel well nicely , I think the 15s will be around for a few years ,  or you can convert the car to 5 lug on a 4.5 pattern on the cheep , many more wheels to find then , the first phot is the stock car with 13s ,  second photo is with 15s ,    the last car is a electric car that took 135 80 13s tires , not made in over 25 years , had to drop down to 12s for a boat trailer tire , lucky that they made mag wheels , hope this helps ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

GroceryGetter

A couple of weeks ago I located a set of American Racing Libras on Craigslist I picked up for $250 to swap out the stock pizza cutters on the car.  the 7' wide profile leaves some room for tire options, but I see now that stuff is somewhat limited.  So far I see the Yokohama A048 here: https://www.vulcantire.com/tire_detail/a048_t.htm_8301 and the Firestone Firehawk 900 here: https://simpletire.com/firestone-p205-60r13-1202000100-tires?stmodel=firehawk-900&stcategory=other&sttype=passenger&gclid=Cj0KCQjw37fZBRD3ARIsAJihSr25pG_k5psl25J15_znpFX4rwPJd_ECi21prpfrAyl0DS1ahsJH8NUaAiHVEALw_wcB are the top two I'm mulling over.  I'd rather have the speed rating of the Yokohama, but the all weather capability of the Firestone is more sensible.  I've seen some less then happy feedback from the Toyo Proxies, but I don't know enough to give them a thought yet coupled with their price per tire more then either the Yokohama or the Firestone.  The classic BFG's out there are also under the same consideration as the Toyo brand.

I'm also going to poke around on the 1st gen RX7 forums to see what those guys run for tires on their wheels.  They don't run 4x108s, but their rare 4x110 lug GS frames don't leave many options for cheap wheels so 13" tire resources are sought by some.

Thoughts or input?