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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Lonny Candel

Thanks for that information. That was great! I have never seen production #s on Bobcats. Good looking out.
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BobcatWagun

That font is crazy small on those stats, but I was able to view them after I copied into another program and increase the font size. Seems there were about 68K Bobcat Wagons made between 75 and 80. Thanks for finding the data Bill!

Stats for Bobcat Production:

1975  2 door hatch price: $3189  production#: 20,651   Wagon $3481  13,583

1976 Sedan $3338  28,905             Wagon $3643   18,731

1977 Sedan $3438/3739  18,405     Wagon $3771/4072     13,047

1978 Sedan $3537/3810  23,428     Wagon $3878/4150        8,840

1979 Sedan $3797/4070  35,667     Wagon $4212/4485      9,119

1980 Sedan $4384   28,103             Wagon $4690              5,547


          155,159 total Runabouts           68,867   total Station Wagons

Since I'm only interested in a 75-78 Wagon, I'll have to find a nice survivor of the 54,201 made.

dga57

Quote from: joebob on May 10, 2018, 10:35:44 PM
I wonder if pinto barn is still in operation. I haven't been able to find their page on the net for some time. Post a link if anyone has an address please.

A friend in California told me last year that the Pinto Barn has closed up shop.  The owner apparently moved out of state to care for some aging/ill relatives if I remember correctly.

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

JoeBob


Brent


Here are the stats I promised.
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[font=&amp][font=]1975[/font][font=]2 door hatch   factory price      $3189     total production   20,651[/font][font=]wagon                                    $3481                               13,583[/font][font=]1976[/font][font=]MPG runabout                         $3338                               28,905[/font][font=]MPG villager                            $3643                               18,731[/font][font=]1977 [/font][font=]runabout                                $3438/3739                       18,405[/font][font=]villager                                  $3771/4072                       13,047[/font][font=]1978[/font][font=]runabout                                $3537/3810                       23,428[/font][font=]villager                                  $3878/4151                        8,840[/font][font=]1979[/font][font=]runabout                                $3797/4070                        35,667[/font][font=]villager                                   $4212/4485                        9,119[/font][font=]1980[/font][font=]runabout                                 $4384                                 28,103[/font][font=]villager                                    $4690                                 5,547[/font][font=]Information was provided from "The standard catalog of For1903-1998"[/font]


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77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

JoeBob

I wonder if pinto barn is still in operation. I haven't been able to find their page on the net for some time. Post a link if anyone has an address please.
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Wittsend

A "Pinto Barn" sticker in the rear window (and two pinto's in the picture).  Never figured out who they are. California based but I don't recall them on this forum (by name) or anyone ever mentioning meeting them at So. Cal. events. Sort of the "The Stig" on "Top Gear."

BobcatWagun

Thanks for the link Flash. Funny but that is the same Bobcat Wagon I've been able to find in For Sale searches. I even enquired about it from a site called SMClassiccars, but never heard back from them so I assumed it was an old listing. They also had it listed as having 164K miles, so they either they are mistaken or your friend is? The ad I saw also said it was a automatic and a gas saver model meaning it had a highway gear ratio. I think the car is interesting and the price your friend mentioned seems fair, I'll have to look into it and see if it's something I'd consider.

Seems there were an awful lot of these Villagers painted yellow. I think I'd prefer a white one myself. Anyway, here's a screen grab from SMClassiccars.

flash041

1978 Pinto Cruising wagon (I am the original owner ! ) Built Aug 15th 1977 in NJ
1993 Mustang LX 2.3 convertible

flash041

I have a friend selling a Bobcat wagon in Kentucky. They bought it out of California a few years ago.
1978 Pinto Cruising wagon (I am the original owner ! ) Built Aug 15th 1977 in NJ
1993 Mustang LX 2.3 convertible

BobcatWagun

Good Info Bill thanks, I'll certainly be doing something with those bumpers when I get a car!

And I've seen that youtube video about 2 weeks ago looking at Bobcat stuff on youtube...scary thing is I remember it! It was about the time of the "dancing cats" Purina cat food commercials lol

Wittsend


JoeBob


Dear B wagon


A few years ago I posted all the manufacturing numbers. I will look for them and post a link. My numbers did not list wagon numbers separate from sedans.
As far as the bumpers go, I came up with a simple idea you might like.
Bill


http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/simple-fat-bumper-fix/
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Lonny Candel

LOL. Sorry for the mis-understanding. I used to own a 64 GMC Handi-Van. I had the standard trani rebuilt. It was primer red. I put some nostalgic wheels on it that had spinners. The guy I sold it to put bags on it, painted it black with pin-stripping, replaced the carb, put a vintage radio in it, rhino-lined the inside, and added black and white paneling. He also changed the wheels I had on it with some mags.
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BobcatWagun

I think you miss-understood, It's not my Cruzin Wagon. I just posted it when I saw it for sale on craigslist in case someone here was interested in it. I belong to a Van Site and we do that a lot with first generation Chevys, Dodges and Fords.

That white pinto does look like a good deal. And I agree, the big FORD letters on the grille would have to go. 

Lonny Candel

yes that is the one. It looks clean with only 56K on it and ac. I would probably take off the huge F O R D emblem on its home made grill. Though the grill is still nice.
Let me know. Maybe you can take your cruising wagon to NM where I could check it out.
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BobcatWagun

I posted the one for sale in AZ. I'm not interested in that style. I don't see the one in New Mexico on Craigslist, perhaps it's been sold or the ad deleted?

Oh wait, I've seen that one...it's a white Pinto Wagon.

Lonny Candel

Well, there is the one posted as 'Cruisen Wagon' on this site. Just scroll to the bottom, and you will see it. It is located in Phoenix, AZ. And there is a wagon with windows located on Craigslist in Rio Rancho, NM. Both are Cologne V6s, and are listed for around $4,000.  I have talked to both of them about trading, but have not had any closing on the deals as of yet. Good luck!
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BobcatWagun

I'm only interested in the station wagon version although my history with Bobcats was driving my Mom's white liftback.  I was thinking I could get a pretty decent one for less than $5K or one that was complete but needed some TLC for around $2K.

Lonny Candel

What's your price range on the wagons? Or sedans?
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BobcatWagun

Thanks for the info. I went and looked at that wagon last weekend. It happens that the owner is a member on this forum. He was really cool about letting my girlfriend and I check out his car and ask a bunch of questions. I decided not to make an offer on his car because it needed more work than I am able to do at this time. The car however is an excellent candidate for a restoration project because it is pretty straight and no rust at all.
I'm going to keep watching for something to pop up for sale, but it seems that I probably won't be getting one anytime soon. I'm surprised how few there are for sell nationwide and how difficult it is to get parts.

Lonny Candel

Nope, did not win, but the guy who did took the 35,000 cash option. I was looking on Ebay for a dash replacement. I found one for 299 dollars. I imagine that if you keep a look out that there are some for a lot cheaper than that. I think I have seen them before on Ebay for about 100 dollars. I know where there is a parked 77 Bobcat with the full window option, but it needs a lot of tlc. It has the 2.3L with ac, 4spd. Body is straight except for a dent in the hood, but I think it could be popped out from the underside though. It has a lot of surface rust on the roof and other places. It needs the key lock cylinder on the steering column. Someone took it off, and in the process damaged the plastic around it. The brake pedal goes all the way down to the floor. The owner said it has no title.
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BobcatWagun

Did you win the Camaro? 

I'm going to look at a Bobcat Station Wagon soon. It's going to need some work, How is it getting interior parts like Dash pads, plastic panels etc for these cars?

Lonny Candel

Exactly, uncommon! I just recently entered a contest to win a 69 Camero Z28 with tuned 350 engine. But since they offer 'Or cash' option. I would take the 35,000 dollars instead of the car even though some would be naysayers on that. Then I would use about 3 grand of it to paint the 78 Bobcat. And of course I would tithe 3500 to the local church. Seriously doubt I would win though. lol
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BobcatWagun

Thanks for the info and reply. Sounds like you have a few good projects too and hearing you talk about your car and plans reminds me of all the stuff I have to do to my cars. lol
These cars seem to be alot like my other ones...The Not so Popular Classics that are hard to find parts for. Just I like unusual vehicles that not everyone has at a car show.


Lonny Candel

I own a '78 Mercury Bobcat, and it has mostly been parked since I purchased it in 2014. I have done some small stuff to it, and I have done some bigger things to it like have the 2.3L engine rebuilt with a Ranger cam. Currently, I have it at a handi man's house out on the range (getting all dusty) who is going to install recently purchased leaf springs, shocks, built drums, built rotors, upper and lower control arms with new ball joints, and coils. I also have another Pinto axle, but I don't think I will use it b/c it is 3.00 gears according to the tag, and my axle is 3.18 according to its tag. I read from these forums that the ideal gear ratio is about 3.25 for these cars when running 13 inch wheels.

As far as your bumpers, the pinto and the Bobcat are direct fit, and can be interchanged as far as I know.  Sorry I have never come across production numbers for Bobcats. I just know the guy that I purchased the Bobcat from said that for every 4 Pintos one Bobcat was made - so figure 1 million Pintos and 250,000 Bobcats. And bolt on V6 to I4 platform - I cannot say either. But I did own a 76 V6 Pinto for one month, and ended up selling it due to some issues that I didn't want to dive into at the moment b/c I have all my other cars -lol. It was nice though with the engine being rebuilt in 2003 by someone who seemed to have bored it out. It had no issues keeping up with traffic.

I also own a 81 Mercury Zephyr and used to own a 64 GMC Handivan (loved it) and a 76 Chevette, but I traded the 'Vette for a 85 Jeep Wagoneer. 

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BobcatWagun

-New member here. Recently I have gotten an interest in Bobcat and Pinto Station Wagons. Why? Well I've liked station wagons for a while now + the fact I first learned how to drive a stick in a Bobcat back in 1978.
- I have two other old Fords, a 73 Gran Torino and a 63 Econoline van. Both very fun and I was daydreaming about a Bobcat Wagon.
- From what I can tell, the Bobcat Wagons are fairly rare. I go to car shows often and see the occasional Pinto, but never a Bobcat. I was wondering just how rare they are? I've searched for production numbers but can only find specs. Any link to numbers would be great!
- In my brief research I also saw there was a V6 option. Is there a bolt in V6 that can be put into a 4 cylinder car?
- Lastly, I saw a Bobcat station wagon for sale on craigslist recently and noticed the bumpers were a lot like my Torino front bumper...big as hell! I was comparing pictures of old Pintos with 78ish Bobcats and it looks like you could without too much trouble install old Pinto bumpers on a Bobcat...is this true or is it a more difficult task than it appears?

- Thanks and looking forward to learning more about Pintos/Bobcats and possibly owning one soon!
----Brent