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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

VERY good article Wittsend! I really think Red Line MTL is the best tranie / rear end oil there is. Hi $$ but you only need to use it once for a long time. Makes a Pinto tranie shift like it has hot butter inside. Good stuff!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Wittsend

I'm inclined to say, "No" in the transmission. Where as the GL-5 meets or succeeds the lubrication aspects of GL-4..., it has aspects to it's formula that eats the brass in the transmission. You can use it in the differential (I'm told) because it lacks the brass components. Read the link below. For a quick reference go to page 8 "summary."

http://www.widman.biz/uploads/Transaxle_oil.pdf

Crazy Lacy

Quote from: amc49 on October 01, 2014, 11:30:46 AM
GL-5 works fine in a rear end all day long.

Is GL-5 OK for Pintos??? My repair books say to use 90w API GL5
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dick1172762

Summit has Brad Penn GL-4 in stock for about $8.00 a quart. This is the old Kendal oil co with a new name.
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amc49

When at parts store when they bought -4 and came back complaining about p-trac snapping, change to -5 and problem gone. I did it several times with different customers and spoke to the lube rep about it, he verified it. We carried the separate additive as well and sold it if they wanted a -4 lube. Manager (a woman) first clued me into it, not that I didn't believe her but I like more confirrnation. It seemed to be true. I had never heard it before either.

After some rooting around it may be that GL-4 had some of the additive but GL-5 has even more. Another reason not to run it in MTX, the synchros will try to slip more and not wanted there.

65ShelbyClone

'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

amc49

Main difference in -4 and -5 spec is that -5 has the friction modifiers already in it for p-trac clutches or cones, the -4 does not and you have to use the p-trac additive (graphite or moly based) for your brand of differential to stop snapping noises at cornering. You can run either one in open diffs.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: dick1172762 on October 02, 2014, 04:29:02 PM
Anyone out there know what GL-6 is or was. Just saw some lube at Walmart that said it replaced GL-6. Price was the same as GL-5. The bottle did not have a GL # on it.

I believe it was a spec for diffs with a lot of pinion offset. The Olds Toronado comes up a lot in reference.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

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Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on October 02, 2014, 02:04:15 PM
For something as lightly-loaded as the driveline in a 4cyl Pinto, whatever is cheapest will be fine.
As in Walmart.
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dick1172762

Anyone out there know what GL-6 is or was. Just saw some lube at Walmart that said it replaced GL-6. Price was the same as GL-5. The bottle did not have a GL # on it.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: AndrewG on October 02, 2014, 01:22:34 PM
What GL-5 do you recommend for the diff?

For something as lightly-loaded as the driveline in a 4cyl Pinto, whatever is cheapest will be fine.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

AndrewG

Good point. 
There are some challenges when your hobby is restoring older cars.  I looked around for the right trans fluid but only found stuff for today's cars.

I did find this and will most likely order it.  The quantity is way more than I need, but at least I'll have it around for future use... (when this stuff becomes really impossible to find).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000M8RYMC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&p;smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER;sc=1&

What GL-5 do you recommend for the diff?

65ShelbyClone

I'll add that GL-4 was specified for some gearboxes at least into the mid 1990s, but it started disappearing from shelves about 15 years ago. A lot of manufacturers still make it, especially for the Euro market, but most chain stores don't stock it here. >:(

Stocking even just one brand/type of GL-4 would be nice for those of us who need it. Pennzoil Synchromesh inventory moves at least as slowly as GL-4 would and Synchromesh is always stocked. I can still find it in containers with the label design that changed last year.

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'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

AndrewG

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on October 01, 2014, 10:39:07 PM
GL-5 is better than GL-4 for differentials.

Thanks.  That's good to know for when I get to the differential rebuild. ☺

65ShelbyClone

'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

AndrewG

Quote from: amc49 on October 01, 2014, 11:30:46 AM
GL-5 works fine in a rear end all day long.

But apparently not in a tranny with brass rings and brass thrust washers.

amc49


AndrewG

I found this interesting and thought I would post it for everyone:

Warning About Gear Oil

WARNING:
All modern gear oil available today in local retail outlets is GL-5 grade. GL-5 grade gear oil contains sulphur compounds that attack brass and bronze. BMW transmissions and final drives made before 1992 contain bushings and thrust washers made of these metals. Any brand of gear oil that is GL-5 rated will attack bushings and thrust washers.

Look for:
acc070A--$8.95--80W 90 GL-4 gear CRC brand

CRC® Sta-Lube® Multi-Purpose HYPOID SAE 85W90 Gear Oil API/GL-4:

CRC® Sta-Lube® Multi-Purpose HYPOID SAE 85W90 Gear Oil API/GL-4 is specially formulated to meet the unique requirements of API GL-4 service in manual transmissions and transaxles of passenger cars, light trucks and SUV's. CRC® Sta-Lube® Multi-Purpose HYPOID SAE 85W90 Gear Oil API/GL-4 is blended from select base stocks and additives that yield a lubricant of exacting quality. This product is compounded utilizing specialized extreme pressure chemistry that provides protection of gears and bearings without being corrosive to bronze components. It contains foam suppressants to prevent wear, which can be caused by lubricant foaming and aeration. Effective rust and corrosion inhibitors protect metal surfaces from the effects of water contamination from condensation and the operating environment. CRC® Sta-Lube® Multi-Purpose HYPOID SAE 85W90 Gear Oil API/GL-4 resists the formation of varnish deposits on synchronizer components, thus assuring long, trouble-free operation.

CRC® Sta-Lube® Multi-Purpose HYPOID SAE 85W90 Gear Oil API/GL-4 gives the full protection of an SAE 90 under hard driving conditions while providing the flow characteristics of SAE 80W that are necessary during cold weather start-ups. This offers maximum lubrication and gear protection over a wide temperature range.

CRC® Sta-Lube® Multi-Purpose HYPOID SAE 85W90 Gear Oil API/GL-4 is designed for manual transmissions and transaxles of both American and import vehicles. It is formulated to be compatible with "yellow metals", such as bronze, found in synchronizers and other transmission components.

BENEFITS:

• Meets the performance requirements of API GL-4 Service
• Will not cause glazing of synchronizer components
• Excellent thermal stability
• Outstanding extreme pressure and antiwear protection
• Prevents rust and corrosion
• Inhibits foaming and aeration

Wittsend

While on the subject, I don't recall anything in an open Ford 8" (circa late 70's) that was brass but..., when I swapped out my 3.00's for 3.40's  I used the GL-5 I had on hand.  So..., just wondering?

AndrewG

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on October 01, 2014, 12:57:48 AM
...........I got it years ago from a Parts Plus that later became an Advance Auto and is currently a Napa and they still stock it...to the tune of $38/gal.  :o

How much fluid do we need in the 4 speed tranny?
(I'm seeing quarts of other trans fluid listed at $16 at various places, so $30.19/gal isn't bad comparatively).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000M8RYMC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

65ShelbyClone

https://www.google.com/search?q=gl-4+gear+oil&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=crc+gl-4+gear+oil

Old-timey auto parts stores used to carry it. I got it years ago from a Parts Plus that later became an Advance Auto and is currently a Napa and they still stock it...to the tune of $38/gal.  :o
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

AndrewG

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on September 30, 2014, 05:43:27 PM
A lot of the old specs like GL-1, 2, and 3 and Dextron-I/II/III are obsolete, partly because the vehicle they were for are too.

If you can get some guarantee from the manufacturer that their GL-5 is suitable for use with yellow metals, I would run that. GL-4 is the otherwise safe fallback that is still actually available. There are some motorcycle gear oils that meet GL-3 and 4 specs. Silkolene is one.

Makes sense.  You stated that you are using Sta-Lube GL-4. Is that something you recommend for the older Pinto trannys?
Where is it available?

65ShelbyClone

A lot of the old specs like GL-1, 2, and 3 and Dextron-I/II/III are obsolete, partly because the vehicle they were for are too.

If you can get some guarantee from the manufacturer that their GL-5 is suitable for use with yellow metals, I would run that. GL-4 is the otherwise safe fallback that is still actually available. There are some motorcycle gear oils that meet GL-3 and 4 specs. Silkolene is one.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

AndrewG

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on September 27, 2014, 05:45:44 PM
I use Sta-Lube GL-4 gear oil for gearboxes that take gear oil and any ol' GL-5 for rear ends.

GL-5 should not be used where yellow metals are exposed to the oil. That means the brass blocker rings in a transmission...

This is quite interesting. I've had people recommend the following GL-5 since it's not synthetic, but your point changes that as my trans has brass rings and brass thrust washers.  NS fluid was recommended due to the friction modifier in synthetics.
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=47&pcid=7

The Pinto shop manual recommended ESW-M2C83-C (see below).  This manual was written in 1979, so is there a comparable product made today?

PRODUCT DATA SHEET
GEAR OIL 75W/90
HIGH PERFORMANCE AUTOMOTIVE GEAR OIL
DESCRIPTION
GEAR OIL 75W/90 is high performance gear oil for modern manual transmissions. The balance of viscosity and frictional
properties ensures good shift feel and fast gear change. This gear oil is ideal for today's 4 and 5 speed manual gearboxes which need low viscosity oil for smooth gearshifts. It is recommended for use when SAE 75W or 80W oils are specified.
GEAR OIL 75W/90 has excellent cold temperature characteristics which ensures maximum protection to gearboxes and differentials.
BENEFITS
GEAR OIL 75W/90
• Excellent cold gear shift and superior protection when hot
• Low gear wear
• Anti-corrosion agents for longer gear life
• Anti-Oxidants for longer oil life
• Extreme pressure additives for low gear wear
GEAR OIL 75W/90 meets or exceeds the following specifications.
• API Service Classification Exceeds GL5
• U.S MILITARY MIL-L-2105D
• FORD ESP-M2C83-C
• BORG WARNER 5M-42
• MITSUBISHI ES-X-64021
HEALTH & SAFETY
Information is available on the relevant Material Safety Data Sheet.
TYPICAL MAIN CHARACTERISTICS
DESCRIPTION UNITS METHODS TYPICAL
APPEARANCE VISUAL CLEAR & BRIGHT
DENSITY @ 15°C Kg/L ASTM D1298/D4052 0.871
FLASH POINT °C ASTM D92 176
VISCOSITY, KINEMATIC cSt @ 40°C Mm2/s ASTM D445 73.2
VISCOSITY, KINEMATIC cSt @ 100°C Mm2/s ASTM D445 10.5
VISCOSITY INDEX Mm2/s ASTM D2270 150
POUR POINT °C °C ASTM D97 -27
Due to continual product research and development, the information contained herein is subject to formulation change without notice.
Values stated are average values only and may vary due to manufacturing tolerances.


65ShelbyClone

I use Sta-Lube GL-4 gear oil for gearboxes that take gear oil and any ol' GL-5 for rear ends.

GL-5 should not be used where yellow metals are exposed to the oil. That means the brass blocker rings in a transmission...
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

AndrewG

I'm currently rebuilding a 1980 Pinto 4 speed FOG tranny and am looking for the right fluid.  Would you recommend one of these, or should I go with traditional fluid?

http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=7
Thanks