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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

I should have stated that my measurement's were for using a 13 inch wheels as most Pinto use. In the front, if you try a wheel with more back space than 3 3/4" you will rub the upper control arms with the wheel. Back wheels are no problem with in reason. Pintos look best with the same dish on all 4 wheels.(or so I think). Again this is for 13 inch wheels.
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jays79

I am looking for a wide wheel and tire combination. Something more on the low profile range. So if any of you have any suggestions on rim size,back spacing and tire size it would greatly be appreciated

Wittsend

OK, I get some different numbers (not trying to be argumentative).  The original poster did not state what size 15" tires they planned to run on the 8" wide wheels. However, I'm assuming it would be "around" the 225-60-15"  (roughly 26" diameter) I have mounted on 8" wide wheels - and thus will use then for reference. I briefly ran these wheels/tires on my Pinto and they are visible in my side image.

As I stated above the rear springs are not parallel. The spacing is wider at the rear, therefore bringing the spring closer to the tire - the point of minimal distance. With that in consideration I measured roughly 13" back (half the tire diameter) from the axle center line and got the brake drum face a hair under 6" off the spring at the tightest point. I also got a 5-1/4" backspacing on the wheels I am using for reference.  When I installed the wheel I get right about 1/4" of clearance between the tire and the spring as there is an additional 1/2" tire bulge beyond the wheel edge.  While I would call that minimal I don't recall rubbing and the tire shows no indication of having done so. As I said, I ran them briefly, a long time ago. Also my rear is a Mustang II, 8". I'm assuming all the Pinto/Mustang II rears are the same width. And, again this is rear leaf spring clearance issues. I don't recall any up front issues but it was some time ago. The tires for sure were close to the wheel opening and might have rubbed. Then again they were 225-60-15".

So, at least from the measurements I'm getting I see the following:

1. +30mm (positive offset) moves the rim 1-1/4" closer to the spring off the 4" centerline of a 8" wheel.

2. That would create the same backspacing of 5-1/4" like the wheel I am using for reference.

3.  I have successfully had a 5-1/4" backspacing on a 15" X 8" wheel and 225-60-15" tires. I'd call it close, but I have done it.

It seems at least feasible that the +30mm 15" X 8" wheel will work.  Jays79 YOU need to check (and double check) this for yourself.  You also need to determine if roughly a 1/4" clearance at the spring is sufficient. Even if my numbers are correct it will be very close. BTW, there wasn't much tire clearance with the inner wheel well either.  And, as the car tilts .. . You can use $pacers, but there is the cost and probably anything over 1/8" will require longer $tuds too.

Little things can add up.  I reference 30mm as 1-1/4" but in reality it is a bit smaller at 1.18, not 1.25. That is favorable. Also if you run shorter tires, say a 205-50-15" the tire bulge will be closer to the axle centerline and have a slightly greater gap between the tire and the spring which is also favorable.

Anyway, I don't want to mislead here. So, if my evidence is in error please state so - and why.

dick1172762

You MUST have 3 3/4" or less back space on a Pinto to clear every thing. Back space is measured from the back edge of the rim to surface of the wheel that touches the brake drum. OR just turn the wheel upside down, lay a 2x4 across the wheel and measure down to the backside of the wheel center. MUST be 3 3/4" or less. 4" will work with .125 (1/8") spacer.
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jays79

thanks for the info. ill pull the rears off tomorrow. The also offer +20 and +40 in the same rims also

Wittsend

So, if the wheels are 8" wide and you add the 1-1/4" (roughly +30mm) then for the wheel itself to avoid hitting the rear spring will need more that 5-1/4" from the face of the brake drum to the leaf spring. And you need more than that, probably an addition 3/16" just to "safely" clear the spring. Then there is tire bulge as the tire expands larger than the wheel itself. This is variable based on the tire size and characteristics of the manufacturer I'd guess that you need about 1" - but again just a guess.  Lastly there is tire deflection when cornering that will distort the tire towards the spring. Again just a guess there but I'm thinking 1/2".

So, add it all up:  5-1/4" wheel with +300mm offset  + 3/16" spring clearance + 1" tire bulge clearance + 1/2" tire deflection = 6-15/16" or roughly 7".  Pull the rear tire off, place a yardstick across the face of the brake drum and then measure the distance to the leaf spring.  I'm just guessing you will have a tire about 24"-27" in diameter so measure to the spring about 13"off the center of the brake drum - forward and backward. The springs are often not parallel and the distance will be slightly different thus you need to measure at both spots.  If you have 7" or more you should be OK. If not it seems you will have to look elsewhere, consider spacers etc..

This is for the rear only, the front is a bit harder to figure. But when I used the mentioned 16 T/C wheels it was the rear spring that was the rubbing point.  ALSO, this just relates to the tires and what they may hit going inward.  There can still be rubbing issues with the tire and the wheel well opening going outward.  But like I said the Pinto is generous in that regard and at least makes things hopeful.

jays79

thanks for the reply. the rims are 8 inches wide with a +30mm offset. I have been searching the internet for a set of rims I like for the pinto. so I wouldn't know what size tire to even put on it.  Maybe the better question would be. What is the stock offset of the pinto rim.

Wittsend

The +30mm offset is roughly 1-1/4". The 15" wheel is 1-1/2" higher from the center point.  You did not mention the wheel width. Without that you can't determine if, even with the offset stated, the wheel won't hit any portion of the suspension.  You did not mention tire size. Without that it can not be determined if the tire will hit any portion of the suspension or inner body.  Lowering the car (if done) also factors in.

  Frankly even with that information there is a lot of measuring that most people just don't do and thus I doubt you will get an effective reply.  This is why people either purchase or make a wheel/tire simulator out of wood (see images).  The good news is that Pinto wheel openings are VERY generous to larger/wider tires and in most cases brake clearance issues are lessened going to a 15" wheel.  I have temporarily put 225-60-16" tires/wheels off an '88 Turbo Coupe on a stock Pinto and there was only minimal rubbing.  I recall the rear wheels needed to be spaced outward about 1/4" to clear the springs.  But, in this case it was just "test and see".

Your best hope is to state the wheel size, wheel width, offset tires size, - (and possibly if the car is lowered, or not) and see if someone here will have something "similar" and can relay the type of clearances they have.  Otherwise it is like asking if you putting 3/4" hard wood floors in your house if you will hit your head on the top of the doorway.  We can't answer if we don't know how high the door frame is and how tall you are.  And the easiest way to answer that would be to just walk yourself through the doorway - carefully.  This is not the easy answer you probably wanted to hear but if you are planning on spending big for wheels and tires you want to get things right.

jays79

Will a +30mm offset on a 15 inch rim work for a 79 pinto?