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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

flatheadgary

for anybody interested in the rest of this story, i finally got it running. they wanted 35.00 dollars for the right seal at most places so i bought it from rock auto for about 16.00 bucks. i try to put it in and promptly destroy it. order it again and wait for another 1.1/2 weeks. in the mean time i made a tool to install it flush and EUREKA!!! it worked. no leaks, no runs, no errors. so thanks for all the help everybody.
you can sleep in a wagon, with a cot, comfortably!!

flatheadgary

yea pinto one, the one that came out is the red one.
you can sleep in a wagon, with a cot, comfortably!!

pinto_one

I figured it was to small , I do believe the one you got is for the front , the later ones last a real long time , my wife's Bronco II had almost 400k before the trans took a dump , it had the red color seal ,

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

flatheadgary

well, i finally got the seal out. i got the wrong seal from napa. it looks like it is 2.375 in side diameter and 3.00 outside diameter. now i just have to wait until the first, when i get some money for gas,  and go back.
you can sleep in a wagon, with a cot, comfortably!!

pinto_one

The seal might be right , the design is very old on this engine , it started life as a V-4 in the early 60s , then added two more cylinders to make it a 2.6 which was used in the ford Capri , in 74 it was punched out to a 2.8 , the mid 80s redone to a 2.9. And 1990 rolled around and here came the 4.0 ,  check and see if that seal fits all you have the right one , hope this helps ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

flatheadgary

i got to looking at the box the seal came in and it doesn't have the right year on it. i will take it back and see what they can do for me.
anyway, here is the pics of my tractor.





you can sleep in a wagon, with a cot, comfortably!!

flatheadgary

yea i know about the reg cost. we have a great DMV in Ridgecrest. those girls have saved me a lot of money over the years on out of date regs's. obviously the car is not a '74, since the v6 came out in '75. i suppose, since he didn't have a pink he was just guessing. i'll find out when i call.
as far as the seal goes, it is a rubber seal in in a metal frame. i doubt it will expand any. i think i just got the wrong one. i am going to try and get to taking out the trans today and i will find out then.
you can sleep in a wagon, with a cot, comfortably!!

oldkayaker

Looked at a couple online parts sites and the rear flange OD is shown as 2.25" or 2.375".  Just speculating that the uninstalled seal ID measures 2.25" and flexes to 2.375" when installed, assuming these sites can be believed.
http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Rear-Main-Seal-Seal-Only-/_/R-NOS22353_0068827607
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1838542&cc=1135235&jnid=646&jpid=0
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=254068&cc=1135235&jnid=646&jpid=8

That craigslist ad mentions the car was last registered in 1992.  If you live in Calif., the new registration could get expensive, see recent thread below.
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?topic=26478.msg162791#msg162791
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

flatheadgary

thanks for the replies guys. i measured the seal and it is 2.00 in id. if the flange is 2.250 in, i am really confused. when i bought the seal from NAPA, i got the 2 piece number online and the parts guy said it was a one piece. it may be the timing cover for all i know. i will try to post a pic of this contraption of mine so you can get a better idea of what it is. i pressure washed it real good, because it's a very open cockpit and when i get the trans out it just may be an oil galley plug or something else. it is really pouring out between the pan and the converter so it isn't anywhere else. i have really abused this thing over the years so it wouldn't surprise me if the pressure didn't just push the seal out. i had a similar thing happen to the c3 trans converter seal several times. it kept pushing the seal out and the fix was to drill 3 holes and tap them to screw in machine screws. problem solved. it's windy and raining the last few days here so don't want to get into it yet. good news too!! i just may be getting another pinto wagon very reasonable. i am in the process of putting a new motor in my '63 Plymouth Belvedere and when that's done, if he still has it, i may just get it. this one i want to restore. it's on craigslist. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/5342522264.html
you can sleep in a wagon, with a cot, comfortably!!

pinto_one

The rear seal is a one piece , and larger than 2 inches , you might have the front seal , the real seal presses in like a late model 5.0 , into the block , the seal is the same as a 2.9 and the 4.0 along the the front seal being the same , the new one will be red , the old one is black and probably cracked up with old age, if it smokes when you first crank it up the vale stem seals are gone also , but just change all the seals and do a valve adjustment , these will run forever , might as well put a few dollars in it and keep the handy thing

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

fh4ever

hey gary, I looked in my Chiltons and same as the 2.3, it says..."special tools required...take it to the dealer".   I think these shop manuals were written at a time when not many owners worked on their own cars. 
I agree with oldkayaker...I drill two small holes in the one piece seal, use a sheet metal screw in a slide dent puller (the kind at advance auto) and they come right out.  You should be able to get to it after removing the flywheel. 
does your haynes say anything about the 2.3 two piece seal?  how to stagger the ends, where to put sealant, special tool to press into groove?     

oldkayaker

No experience with the V6 but the 1978 Ford manual indicates a one piece rear main seal like used on late 1980's 302's and 2.3's only smaller.  The pan does not need to be dropped.  The old seal is pried out and the new seal is tapped in.  The manual shows drilling a couple holes in the old seal and installing sheet metal screws to be used for prying it out.  The manual photo of the crank shows the rear flange to about the same diameter as the main journals which are ~2-1/4" (does seem small for a crank flange).

Before doing all the above work, suggest making sure the rear main seal is the leak source (could be a valve cover gasket, intake manifold gasket, or?).  I like to use one of those spray on and hose off engine cleaners.  Once dry, it leaves the engine oil free so the leak source can be seen and isolated.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

flatheadgary

newbie here. a little about me. i am a drag racer at heart. i build altered drag cars. '23 t's, Austin/Bantams, Fiat Topolinos an such. i have had several pintos in my life but i just used them for the drive trains and front suspensions. i do have a liking for the station wagons though. maybe with a 302 in it just for fun.
one such vehicle i built is a tractor of sorts from a '75 pinto wagon. it's has a tube frame and a truck i beam front axle. i live in a desert area and it is almost impossible to move anything heavy in sand. i built this and put a cherry picker on the front and a 10 foot boom chain hoist on the back. it has been a life saver many times over in the last 25 years. i have not done much maintenance on it over the years but it usually runs when i need it. recently when it runs i have a heavy oil drain from the back of the block. i figured it was the rear main seal so i got one. i found out it is a one piece type. i don't have much experience with them and don't know what to expect when i tear into it. i looked up videos of such but could only find ford v8 and sbc ones. what i was wondering about is, do i drop the pan? how does a seal with an id of 2.00in fit over the crank flange? is the crank flange that small? is there a seal housing that holds it in place like a Chevy LS? i have a Haynes manual but it doesn't show much for the v6, but it shows a lot about the 4. 
thanks a lot for any help.   Gary
you can sleep in a wagon, with a cot, comfortably!!