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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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72pintoproject

I have probably only put about 100 miles total of test drive miles on the V8 pinto but I really wouldn't describe it's handling as the same as a dump truck. It's similar to my other old cars, a V8 66 Mustang and V8 Maverick. These cars are what they are. The brakes rather than handling were my bigger concern. The rear is a five bolt 10" drum and the front is a five bolt 9" disk  originally designed for the 74-80 Pinto. On test drives I was able to lock the brakes up so I "guess" I am okay.
The other options for swapping are neat but around here they just wouldn't be nearly as economically feasible as the small block Ford. I still think there would be a fair bit of fabrication with things like oil pans on any swap.
I knew there was more room in the trans tunnel on the later cars, I didn't realize there was more room on the rad support as well. The small trans tunnel is certainly an aggravation to work around.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1


74 PintoWagon

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on January 02, 2016, 03:37:06 PM
Well, if you want a fast old car that handles like a dump truck...

I know it's GM-based, but a V8 that I think would be a better candidate than an SBF is the Rover 3.5/3.9/4.0L. They're about 50lbs lighter than a Lima 2.3 and make twice the power. They are about 100lbs lighter than an aluminum intake Ford 302.
That would be cool, that's the old Buick/Olds all aluminum 215ci I believe.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on January 01, 2016, 08:46:46 PM
Thanks, a V-8 conversion is sounding better all the time...

Well, if you want a fast old car that handles like a dump truck...

I know it's GM-based, but a V8 that I think would be a better candidate than an SBF is the Rover 3.5/3.9/4.0L. They're about 50lbs lighter than a Lima 2.3 and make twice the power. They are about 100lbs lighter than an aluminum intake Ford 302.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Reeves1

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on January 01, 2016, 07:08:45 PM
'74 and later is easier for nearly anything you'd want to do to a Pinto. The radiator support is about 2-3" further forward and frees up a lot of space in the engine bay compared to a '71-73.

Trans tunnel is also different, in a good way. From what I've read, no mods required.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on January 01, 2016, 07:08:45 PM
'74 and later is easier for nearly anything you'd want to do to a Pinto. The radiator support is about 2-3" further forward and frees up a lot of space in the engine bay compared to a '71-73.
Thanks, a V-8 conversion is sounding better all the time...
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on December 28, 2015, 08:59:24 PM
Curious, is the 74 any easier/harder than the early ones to convert??..

'74 and later is easier for nearly anything you'd want to do to a Pinto. The radiator support is about 2-3" further forward and frees up a lot of space in the engine bay compared to a '71-73.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

blink77

I'm in the process of putting a different 351w in my 79 ( actually a 77) and went
with the Ford Racing short pump. I found original Ford aluminum pulleys on E-bay
a few years ago. I can't believe the difference it makes in the way of clearance.
But the down side is it cost me about 375.00. Worth every penny!!!!!!
I do have pic's I can send, but I have no idea how to post. I think I have my first
New Years resolution. Learn how to post pic's!!!!!
Bill

dick1172762

"Don't Cut The Car" I'll second that! As soon as you cut, the value goes out the window.  2.9 or 4.0 V-6 is the only smart way to go if you want more power.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

pinto_one

I have to see if I have any left , this was over forty years ago , the pump I remember did not have a rear plate and I do not know if the 5.0 newer pumps could be made shorter , found out they were first used in the 5.0 in the explorer, they do not have the provision for a fuel pump, and did not use the V-belts , the lower pulley I used was off a 289 with a add on A/C , it was cast and had four groves , I machined two of he groves off , the inter grove drove the pump and alternator, the other drove the A/C compressor, on the radiator I put the side brackets on backwards, so I could use spacers to bring the radiator forward more , trimmed the top of the crossover a little, most people cut it out , I do not like to do that , my rule is every little small mod on each part adds up, got carried away on milling everything for that extra space someplace where I need it , and my last advice is Don't Cut The Car !!! Everyone have a happy new year , later Blaine




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72pintoproject

Pinto_one, that is a neat modification trick, that sounds like something I would like to try in order to gain the critical front clearance. Too bad I didn't save the old pump to practice the mods with old parts to try and follow your instructions. My fan has already made contact with the rad on one occasion. By chance do you have any pictures of a modified pump? To me tracking down a pulley may be the biggest obstacle.
Reeves1, good idea but I believe the early blocks already have this short pump application. They also require a pump without the rear spacer plate, and the outlet is on the other side. Not that big deal but requires further mods. I am running the original three bolt damper. This engine is not a high performance powerhouse, just more of a novelty. as you know the falling Canadian dollar makes guessing in this hobby a lot more expensive!
   

pinto_one

Easy now , would have been nice to have that setup back then , I still remember the hours I spent machining everything to make it shorter , learned back then you did not have to cut up the car to make things fit ,always like the sleeper effect when friends Picked on you and did not know what was under the hood with their mustang or corvette, good old days 👹
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0


pinto_one

My first one was a five bolt block, found a trick to shorten the water pump a few  inchs , if you have the org 65 pump and front cover , to see what I mean find a load pump like yours and press apart , you will find out that you can cut the nose of the pump
About a inch and a half, install new seal , then press a new bearing until it around a eighth of in inch from the seal , then press the pulley flange on the shaft untel it almost touches the bearing , last you will have to cut the extra length of shaft on the impeller side , then press on the impeller , you now have a more room to the Radiator , now you have to machine up some pulleys to match , back then I had a machine shop but they are a few that just to car pulleys , and make sure you use the three bolt damper , it's also the shortest ,

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72pintoproject

Thanks for the comment. That was my intention, to make it look like somewhat of a stock setup or early conversion. It is an early five bolt block which makes it a little smaller in the bell-housing area. One disadvantage is the lack of clearance on the front of the engine and rad.

74 PintoWagon

Nice setup, looks like it came from the factory this way.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

72pintoproject

It is possible to fabricate your own mounts. Here are a couple of pictures of an installation in a 72. Small amount of clearance between firewall and bellhousing and rack and oilpan. The incentive was to have the stock hood close without modifications for either the breather or hood pins. I'll post pictures of the mounts if I can figure out the attachments.

74 PintoWagon

Thanks, I'll have to keep that in mind. 8)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

pinto_one

Yes it was easier
, the side frame rails were wider and stronger , the transmission tunnel was larger and a longer engine compartment, plus the extra things like a beefed up suspension and most of the mustang II goodies were a bolt on

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: pinto_one on December 28, 2015, 05:16:37 PM
My next V-8 pinto was a 74 wagon
Curious, is the 74 any easier/harder than the early ones to convert??..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

pinto_one

That brings back memories,  done something close on my 71 after I brought my new 72 pinto,  only I used the early 65 mustang block, it had the 5 bolt bell housing which was small and did not have to beat up the firewall, used a T-10 . My next V-8 pinto was a 74 wagon , but then we had plenty of mustang II in the yards to rob

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Reeves1

Frame & engine mount.....never mind the spacers. They were not used & I built different ones anyway.
The frame mount in the picture was built too light. Needs bracing / gussets welded in.



Reeves1


Reeves1

http://www.milodon.com/oil-pans/street-oil-pans-ford73.asp

Pan I use in my swaps above. If you order one make sure to add the parts list & pick up.
They work well , but are expensive.

Motor mounts are easy. Simply center & level the car & engine. Allow at least 1/2" between the pan & rack: with full weight of motor, trans etc installed.

Weld up a set of frame mounts to match the motor mounts & weld on frame.
I have pictures of a set if needed......

Motor mounts with the factory pin through them are now expensive. Last set I found were over $400.00.
If the ones you use do not have the center pin, you can do so yourself.

Year of car is another factor...... 71 - 73 will require fire wall / trans tunnel mods.

Robert Policastro

Ive done a few v-8 conversions. first off you need the front sump oil pan. The early 289 cast manifolds work But you need a microSD guy bend up head Pipes. The motor mounts were tricky. I uses v-8 mounts from a Mustang lo. But I had to make 4 spacers. 2  were 3/4 inch that went between the engine and the mount. They went were the 2 Bolt go. The nother went from mount to frame. Then I positioned the motor in the appropriate place and drilled 4holes per side through the frame rails. Before you say anything This worked great. My engine was a 347 w/ b&m blower,tfs heads making about 500hp. Uses the t-5 and went 11.90 on street tires with the a/c on. Biggest problem was hole in the hood & exhaust. Hooker has the header. But They didnt Fit right. Much easier them the 460 I put in my bobcat.

RICO2

THANKS I CHECKED IT OUT AND WAS HELPFUL BUT NOT TOTALLY SO ILL KEEP DIGGIN . NEW TO SITE SO THUMBING MY WAY AROUND.

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

You MUST have Mustang II V-8 frame mounts to do this the easy way. Have also seen conversions where 2.3 mounts were used by moving one of them back I inch (1"). I think it was the driver side. Speedway also sell motor mounts that bolt onto the front of the V-8. ALL of this has been written about on this site MANY times in the past. Do a search.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

RICO2

can anyone tell me what mounts to use on a 1980 pinto doing a v8 conversion and I used mustang 2 motor mounts and frame mounts giving me the fits. also ifyou know wht exhaust manifolds would work best in my application ith a 87 302 and 5 speed manual trans . looks like there will be some clearance issues but haven't got that far yet. was gonna try the 87 mustang gt short headers . what ya think