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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

71 pinto windshield measurements

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mickp1976

I've got a karma and also looking for a front windscreen

Wittsend

I can grasp your disappointment.  Three years ago I bought a '64 Studebaker Daytona off Ebay.  The pictures never showed a cracked windshield and I didn't think to ask. So, I was stuck looking for a windshield for a car that the company went out of business 46 years prior.  Even back in the day I doubt much effort was made to have spares for a company that was no longer making cars.

After a year and a half search I had to settle for a windshield that had many scratches, and a bull's eye.  It was also 400 miles from my home.  And, as it turned out the glass was actually for a convertible/station wagon and the seller had to cut the upper/outer corners about 1/2".

So, yea, windshields can sure be a deal breaker some times. Hopefully something better will come along for you.

mt 6020

Thanks Guys. That's the best pic of a pinto windshield I've seen and it clears up a lot for me.  I think its fairly conclusive its a myth. It basically means the kit car is not financially viable. By the time I would import a screen for it ( and no one I know would guarantee the windshield while shipping.) it would cost too much.
Thanks again for all your help.

amc49

Knock the 'P' off the end of that link and it works.......................go to the 'compositing'  Escort by the water pic and the base of Escort 'shield clearly looks straighter on Escort than Pinto out toward the ends. The Pinto one curves more in last few inches at the base.

Wittsend

As I see the Pinto windshield there is a curvature to the outer edge I don't see in the Escort. Also the radius at the top corner looks tighter on the Pinto windshield.

mt 6020


mt 6020

If you search under"Ford Escort Mk 2" you should get plenty of photos so as to get several different angles for a better inspection.
http://www.dmmultimedia.com/escort2_01.htm this link should give you an idea of the car in question so you will know when pics come through.
Its a very popular car over here for rallying and dominated the sport during the late seventies all over Europe.

Wittsend

No, for sure these are two different kit cars.  I was just guessing that the car I knew had Pinto doors might also use a Pinto windshield. But it is now obvious the RW Karma is not the Feirro 600.  Sorry if my guess caused you any confusion.

It might help if you could post a picture (or link to) the Escort that supposedly uses the same windshield as a Pinto.  Those of us who are familiar with the Pinto windshield might be able to tell right off if it is close or not.  If it isn't close then it would rule out the Escort replacement.  At least you would know that a "No" would mean only the real Pinto windshield would work.

mt 6020

I had an idea there would be some confusion in relation to the kit car. So far all I can find is that the kit car I am looking into is a RW karma. http://www.classic-kitcars.com/classic-kitcar-details.php?82. The only story I can find is that the karma is a European version of what was originally an American kit car so with your evidence I suspect the Fierro 600 is the original and a man by the name of Robert Wooley (RW) imported it to Europe but changed the moulds to suit a VW beetle donor car with resulted in the "karma" being released. If you compare both cars the front is almost identical but from the B pillars back they are quite different.

amc49

I certainly have no 3D plot but you can get some idea by looking at other Pintos say in the gallery here and other places. The shield does not curve hard toward the ends but does seem to increase curve gently in the last 12 inches or so from the ends.

Wittsend

Thank you for getting back about your kit car.  I have FINALLY found the kit car I refer to above (it is NOT a RW Karma).  It is actually called a Fierro 600. It is not to be confused with the Pontiac Fiero.

This is a Google image link:  https://www.google.com/search?biw=1440&bih=783&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Joe+Fierro+600&oq=Joe+Fierro+600&gs_l=img.3...13513.14055.0.14326.3.3.0.0.0.0.51.149.3.3.0....0...1c.1.34.img..3.0.0.PPrl_eRdGEg

I chose this path so you can find the image of your choosing.  Pinto owners will recognize the doors to our cars though they look different without a drip edge over them.  The Vega hatch is also recognizable. I'm posting this here since it came up in conversation, but I'll start a fresh post more pertinent to the Fierro 600 / Pinto door subject.

mt 6020

I haven't just bought it yet because I would like to get this problem sorted out first before I commit to it.
You are absolutely correct about the kit car though its a Ferrari dino  (246 gt) lookalike kit. It was produced in the seventies and the and its correct tittle over on this side of the sea is an "RW karma" and if you search it on the interweb you should find plenty of pics.
Thanks for the feedback.

Wittsend

I have no one here to help measure..., but a cloth tape goes a long way to helping.  Also using tape to continue the lines and square off the corners (for measurement purposes) might make for more definitive points.

MT6020: I'm interested in your kit car.  Years ago I recall a kit car that was "similar" to a...??? Ferrari???  I recall the car used Pinto doors and a Vega hatchback to simplify those body panels.  I searched the internet a while back, but found nothing.  What have you?

Tom

mt 6020

I'm only looking for some basic measurements to see Is there is any truth to the theory that this screen from the escort can fit the car but If you can get me a 3D plotting that would be ideal for a definitive answer to my question.

amc49

Lots of room still for major error there. The glass may curve evenly all the way across or curve more out at the ends and the curve measurement LENGTH would not reflect that at all. Top may curve differently from the bottom as well.

Really need more like a realworld 3D plotting of points in space there................................

mt 6020

Cheers Dunc. Any help would be appreciated.

The measurement which would help me are the height of the centre of the screen edge to edge.
The width  from one bottom corner to the other on the inside(without following the curve of the glass) if this can be done without the dash getting in the way.
And finally along the bottom of the shield from corner to corner this time following the curve of the glass(because you have no choice but to follow the curve ::). ).
I hope this makes sense to you. By the way you don't have to be perfect within 10mm or 1/2 an inch should give me enough of an idea to know if I'm on a wild goose chase or not.

Thanks Dave

cannonball

hi dave
i am in england and have 3 pinto,s  :) i will measure you one and post it here i am a empty head  so may need a prompt,

Dunc

mt 6020

hey guys, I am looking into rebuilding a kit car that is missing its windshield which is from a 1971 (early model) pinto. I am living in Ireland and there are no ford pintos to be found in this country but I have been told that a 1978 mk 2 ford escort windshield will fit the car. My problem is that I cant find the measurements of a pinto windshield ANYWHERE ON THE NET!!!!!!!

therefor I turn you guys to help me with my problem. Would someone be good enough to measure their pinto windshield and reply with the measurements so I can stop pulling my hair out trying to find the answer to a very simple problem.

The measurements I need are the height of the centre of the screen and the distance  from one bottom corner to the other inside and along the bottom of the shield outside corner to corner.

anyhelp would be excellent.
Thanks Dave.