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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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AndrewG

Quote from: amc49 on August 31, 2014, 05:10:28 AM
........... Shifters from other models may well work, I used a Mustang II shifter.

When you say other shifters may work well, are you talking about on my manual, or the C3?

amc49

A C3 comes with the bellhousing or the trans is worthless, the bell holds the front pump.

The MTX driveshaft fits fine with a C3, mine has that from a FOG and a '80 model wagon.

C3 flexplate can still be found. Trans needs a certain trans mount. Shifters from other models may well work, I used a Mustang II shifter.

Srt

Quote from: AndrewG on August 26, 2014, 07:40:43 AM
Thank you for that advice.

I found out through trial & error (40 years ago) !!!  I had a couple of sources but they are not in business any longer.

Thanks for the post.  I will replace the parts you recommended.
Any ideas regarding where to get those parts?
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

dga57

Another place you might want to try is www.obsoletereliableparts.com.  I saw their ad in the current Hemming Motor News and they say they specialize in 1949 - 1989 Ford parts.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Quote from: AndrewG on August 30, 2014, 09:04:45 AM

When you say the T5 conversion would run close to $1000, are we talking a new trans.  In my research about these trans, I've seen videos about T5 upgrades and they look new.  Is this correct?
The video may be showing a new or rebuilt trans. But new is way out of your budget. New you are talking well over $1000 just for the trans itself. Used here they run from $300 up. And that usually is just the trans, no bellhousing or other stuff. When you can find a 2.3 version. With no real guarantee that they are good other than the seller's word for it.
Junkyard trans cost a bit more than say a craigslist one, but they do come with a short warranty.

Really, given your budget, finding a new shifter seems the best way, with converting to an auto trans second.

What do other people who have those cars do for parts?

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dick1172762

Racer Walsh use to sell a short throw shifter. You might try him and see if they have any in stock.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

AndrewG

Just did a search for the part on Green Sales site.  No good, but I did send them an email?  Let's see how they respond.
Thanks again for that tip.

AndrewG

Quote from: dga57 on August 30, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
One last thought before you get into a conversion...  have you checked with Green Sales?  They specialize in obsolete Ford parts and might possibly have what you need.  Worth a shot anyway!


Dwayne :)
Thanks Dwayne,  I give them a try.

dga57

One last thought before you get into a conversion...  have you checked with Green Sales?  They specialize in obsolete Ford parts and might possibly have what you need.  Worth a shot anyway!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

AndrewG

Quote from: russosborne on August 29, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
The T5 conversion would likely run close to $1000, unless you got really lucky and found a Mustang with a 2.3 and a T5 being sold very cheaply that you could buy whole and take everything you needed from, and there would still be some other expense most likely for little stuff. but the other side to that is you could probably make more money parting out the leftovers and end up either breaking even or coming out ahead. If you have a place and tools to do that.
Russ
I don't have the time, nor the facilities to be able to go through the process of finding an old Mustang, strippinng it for needed items, and then parting it out.  Wish I did as this sounds lime a cost effective option.
When you say the T5 conversion would run close to $1000, are we talking a new trans.  In my research about these trans, I've seen videos about T5 upgrades and they look new.  Is this correct?

russosborne

I'd see if I could find the shifter stuff, like I saw you are doing in the wanted forum.  ;D

You could probably get most if not all of the C3 conversion stuff for that I would think, but I at least would want to have the trans rebuilt for peace of mind, and that will run the cost up quite a bit.

The T5 conversion would likely run close to $1000, unless you got really lucky and found a Mustang with a 2.3 and a T5 being sold very cheaply that you could buy whole and take everything you needed from, and there would still be some other expense most likely for little stuff. but the other side to that is you could probably make more money parting out the leftovers and end up either breaking even or coming out ahead. If you have a place and tools to do that.
The T5 trans alone here (Phoenix) are running several hundred by themselves. And it does have to be a 2.3 engine T5, unless you want to spend even more on the conversion. The V8 T5 isn't a bolt in for the 2.3 T5. Dang it all.  :(

Try Craigslist in your area as well. I forget all the other cars that used the same 4 speed trans, they would all use the same shifter. And junk yards. Somewhere here there is a list of cars that used the FOG trans. It does give you more options than just looking for a "Pinto" part.

If anyone else has any ideas please let Andrew know them. I am not an expert in all of this by any stretch of the imagination.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

AndrewG

Quote from: russosborne on August 29, 2014, 09:42:05 PM
Yes, a T5 is definitely an option. The T5 is definitely more expensive than converting to an automatic. That may be what you were thinking of.
It really comes down to how much you are willing and able to spend. That is something you'll have to decide. Then we can help out more
Russ

I would like to keep it under a couple hundred dollars.   Not sure if that will get me anywhere.  Do you have some advice given that spending limit?

russosborne

Yes, a T5 is definitely an option. The T5 is definitely more expensive than converting to an automatic. That may be what you were thinking of.
It really comes down to how much you are willing and able to spend. That is something you'll have to decide. Then we can help out more
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

AndrewG

Quote from: russosborne on August 29, 2014, 06:26:56 PM
The parts to convert over to an auto really aren't hard to find. this is probably the best option. Maybe a couple hundred bucks plus shipping? I would imagine this would be a lot cheaper than having custom parts made. Use an aftermarket trans cooler so you don't have to change radiators, assuming yours does not have the auto trans cooler built in.
Russ

Thanks for the advice.  The previois post had me thinking that it would be an expensive and complicated option.

I just installed a new radiator and it has an auto trans cooler built in, so I guess I'm covered there.  Glad I went for that option on the radiator. At the time I purchased I figured it couldn't hurt to have it.

What about a T5.  I'm hearing a lot of good things about that trans as there are many and the parts are easy to find.  Is that an option?

russosborne

The parts to convert over to an auto really aren't hard to find. this is probably the best option. Maybe a couple hundred bucks plus shipping? I would imagine this would be a lot cheaper than having custom parts made. Use an aftermarket trans cooler so you don't have to change radiators, assuming yours does not have the auto trans cooler built in.
Post an ad here and you will probably get everything you need in one shot.

As far as finding a machinist, you can ask around any clubs you are in, friends, co workers, etc. Or get out the old phone book and start calling shops. Finding someone willing and able to do it might be the hard part. And they will most likely want a deposit up front to show you are serious.
It really will depend on what all it will take for them to do it, and that is something only a machinist type will know. If you could find a retired type who has a CNC type mill, or other equipment and does it for fun, that would be your best shot.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

AndrewG

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 29, 2014, 05:10:51 PM
The answer is no. You will need the c-3 or c-4 flex plate, converter, tranie with bell housing, shifter, tranie oil cooler, and most likely a new drive shaft. Sorry.

Thanks.  Guess that kills that idea.

So, the last option, and probably the most cost effective, is to find someone who can fabricate the parts I need.  Where do I start? Who does that?

dick1172762

The answer is no. You will need the c-3 or c-4 flex plate, converter, tranie with bell housing, shifter, tranie oil cooler, and most likely a new drive shaft. Sorry.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

AndrewG

Quote from: russosborne on August 29, 2014, 12:13:52 AM
Maybe you will have to upgrade after all? Or even go with an automatic trans.
Russ

OK, here's the latest.  Went back to the Ford dealer I visited a few weeks ago.  The parts manager was very nice and did a nationwide search of all Ford parts inventory. Came up with NOTHING AVAILABLE.

So now I'm thinking maybe I have to go with an upgrade, possibly with the C3 trans since these cars also came with those.  Question is, would that eliminate the need to hunt around for a new bell housing?  Can I use the existing bell housing and just eliminate the clutch assembly? 

You guys need to answer that for me.

AndrewG

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 29, 2014, 12:24:35 PM
For FOG parts go to http://www.drivetrain.com They have them or so they say.

I checked on them.  They just have rebuild kits,  no shifter parts.
Thanks.

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on August 29, 2014, 12:13:52 AM

How about putting a 302 and trans into that car?  ::) Joke, I know you probably wouldn't want to do that even if it would fit.



But of you could squeeze it in there, you'd have the ultimate sleeper!!! :o

Dwayne ;D
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

russosborne

Yeah, that isn't good.
Was it all the shops, or just the one local to you that did that?

Do you know of any really good machinists? Maybe you could have somebody make you the parts you need. Costly, but it is an option. Maybe you could have enough made to sell them and get some of your money back.

Maybe you will have to upgrade after all? Or even go with an automatic trans? Definitely not as fun to drive, and with the Pinto engine  not as much off the line power, but you would be able to drive the car. And that might be the most important thing.

There is a product out there for the T5 shifters that moves them back, but it is billet and not cheap. I don't know if I have the site bookmarked or not, but I will check and see.
http://www.autoworksparts.com/billet_shifter_relocation_kit.htm

Another option with the T5 is the camaro/S10 tailshaft swap. But it comes with other issues to solve.

Or maybe you can find a whole Pinto trans with a decent shifter. Advertise here would probably be the best place. Although that might only be a stop gap until that shifter has problems. We are dealing with almost 40 year old parts here.

How about putting a 302 and trans into that car?  ::) Joke, I know you probably wouldn't want to do that even if it would fit.

I am glad now that my car didn't have the Pinto trans with it. Makes the decision to go T5 much easier for me. More costly up front, but better in the long run. Since it is a Mustang trans the odds of having parts available for the rest of my lifetime are pretty good.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Quote from: AndrewG on August 28, 2014, 01:50:01 PM
I contacted Transtar regarding availability of parts for this transmission. 
Here was their response:
=====================================================
"We did a clean out about 3 years ago and tossed a bunch of old stuff.
I hate throwing things away but I always run out of room".

Dave Hritsko
Transtar Industries
Technical Service Manager
=====================================================

Guess I'm out of luck with that option.


Bummer! :(
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

AndrewG

Quote from: russosborne on August 20, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
http://www.transtar1.com/
Transmission parts place.

I contacted Transtar regarding availability of parts for this transmission. 
Here was their response:
=====================================================
"We did a clean out about 3 years ago and tossed a bunch of old stuff.
I hate throwing things away but I always run out of room".

Dave Hritsko
Transtar Industries
Technical Service Manager
=====================================================

Guess I'm out of luck with that option.

AndrewG

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the link. 
Yes, still interested.  (A photo would help).

dave1987

Sorry I disappeared there, last week was crazy for work.

Shifter fork bushing is the same as the Merkur T9 one. Here is a source:

http://merkurmidwest.com/catalog/i551.html

Like amc49, I haven't had any issues with Transtar and they get parts in pretty quickly. They have a list of suppliers that can get harder to find and or good spec used parts as well.

I will email you back about that shifter today as well, if you are still interested in trying something out without the dome.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

AndrewG

Thank you for that advice.

Input shaft is good, but that brass syncro looked bad and one of it's springs had broken.  One of the dogs was at the bottom of the case.
The car was used very little and had few miles on it. I don't intend to put many more miles on it.

Thanks for the post.  I will replace the parts you recommended.
Any ideas regarding where to get those parts?

Srt

You have done all the hard stuff.


This is from the "been there-done that" department.


Do not reassemble the trans without purchasing NEW needle bearings & a NEW countershaft.


Do not reassemble the trans without NEW brass syncro rings & the wire 'springs that go with them.


DO replace all the input shaft & mainshaft bearings.


I don't know the intended use of the car BUT;  the 2nd gear sychro brass & the 2nd gear countershaft gear are a definite weakpoint with these transmissions of used hard.


The countershaft & needles are weak also.


DO use a NEW input shaft bearing & take a close look at the input shaft itself (where it enters the pilot bearing @ the crank)
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

AndrewG

Quote from: russosborne on August 25, 2014, 09:05:11 PM
Glad you got it apart, hopefully you can find the parts you need.
Russ

Thanks for your support.  I'll keep you up to date on my progress. 
Hopefully I'll find the parts soon.

russosborne

Glad you got it apart, hopefully you can find the parts you need.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.