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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2.3-2.0 compatibility question

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jeremysdad

Quote from: amc49 on June 07, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
In looking at research on this I was rapidly coming to the same conclusion. Many say all parts interchange but they are confusing the Ranger 2.0 with the EAO.

I ran across a couple of referrals that stated at first the Lima design was to have made most all subsequent parts in 2.3 fit the EAO but 'tooling design and configuration differences' between Europe and the US prevented it.

I wonder what that meant?

Is the EAO motor metric fasteners or SAE?

I wonder if Ford US was trying to 'go their own way' there, and rebuffed the other design. Engineer group pride has stuffed way more than one design out there. Whoever came up with the wonky 2.3 head should be shot, prevailing US design at the time was much better than that. They were doing fine until they came to intake ports, like a drunk designed those. 4 totally different intake ports? A flow bench guy's nightmare.

The 2.0 EAO head no better, one of the flattest intake ports on earth, horrible.

EAO is ALL metric fasteners. I have nothing more to say, in the interest of remaining friends. :) lol

And yes, Ford had 2 2.0's...the EAO, and the Lima. I assume (probably wrong as usual, per the Old Lady lol), but the best my American brain can come up with is European Automotive Organization. Maybe like a Ford Mafia? lol

I will furthermore add that that stupid unwanted Lima 2.0 will misguide you on your search for parts!!! :)

amc49

The EFI one flows more than the stock 2.3 which is a piece of junk. Not much difference on a dead stock motor though. But if you plan on any other carb than the stock Motorcraft or Holley 5200, the stock intake becomes the bottleneck as soon as you go to a bigger carb. The EFI one also lightyears ahead in even distribution to all cylinders. Problem is, most will put an adapter on it that is too low, (the one inch thick one) to clear hood, you need at least two inch thick there to not crowd the EFI one with more distribution troubles caused by carb too close to runner tops to distribute right. The EFI also needs a bit of port work done in the top to make it work even better, but easily done by those that do that stuff, why the dirt track guys love that intake.

A chunk of non bolt-on work but worth it once you start modding the motor. I ran a 2.0 intake with adapter plate on a stock 2.3 with a Hooker header and some light porting in the valve pockets, that engine easily ran away from a dead stocker. I think the EFI manifold would work even better properly sorted out, the 2.0 intake was not matched to 2.3 head port angle at all, yet still stomped the crap out of the stock intake which is THAT bad. The 2.3 suffers horribly from oddball length runners and even worse by cramped design and extremely hard right angle turns with no turning space to do them, engines hate that stuff. It flows maybe 20-30 cfm more than carb, once carb is modded then the intake manifold is the strangler there.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: russosborne on July 08, 2014, 01:55:54 AM
What is the advantage to using the EFI intake over a regular carb intake?
I will be running a 2bbl carb, unless I get really rich and can afford a full EFI system.

They're easier to find and you could use it for an EFI conversion later. That's all I can think of.
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

russosborne

Sorry to be late to the party, but since it was brought up here, and I have been asked about doing it, I have to ask.
What is the advantage to using the EFI intake over a regular carb intake?
I will be running a 2bbl carb, unless I get really rich and can afford a full EFI system.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

amc49

Yeah, that would have been sweet...............

65ShelbyClone

Things could have gone in such a very different direction...

'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

amc49

In looking at research on this I was rapidly coming to the same conclusion. Many say all parts interchange but they are confusing the Ranger 2.0 with the EAO.

I ran across a couple of referrals that stated at first the Lima design was to have made most all subsequent parts in 2.3 fit the EAO but 'tooling design and configuration differences' between Europe and the US prevented it.

I wonder what that meant?

Is the EAO motor metric fasteners or SAE?

I wonder if Ford US was trying to 'go their own way' there, and rebuffed the other design. Engineer group pride has stuffed way more than one design out there. Whoever came up with the wonky 2.3 head should be shot, prevailing US design at the time was much better than that. They were doing fine until they came to intake ports, like a drunk designed those. 4 totally different intake ports? A flow bench guy's nightmare.

The 2.0 EAO head no better, one of the flattest intake ports on earth, horrible.

65ShelbyClone

In addition, the "Pinto 2.0" as it is called both here and abroad is the 2.0 EAO platform. Very common in Europe and evolved into quite a racing platform due in large part to Cosworth.

The 2.3/2.5 and Ranger 2.0 is known as the "Lima" platform after its main manufacturing plant in Lima, Ohio. The only purpose-built DOHC heads for it were some protoypes that Ford's Special Vehicle Operations were developing for what would have been the '87 Mustang SVO. The plug was pulled on the entire operation and nothing ever came of it. SVO reemerged later as the Special Vehicles Team( SVT) that we know today, but high-performance factory Lima development died in '86. The '87 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe got some SVO-esque parts like the intercooler, more boost, more power, and a faster ECU, but even it only lasted through '88. Ironically, the turbo era of F1 racing also died at the end of '88.

Nothing is a direct interchange between the EAO and Lima designs, BTW.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dick1172762

The ONLY thing that will interchange between the 2.0 and the 2.3 engine is the oil filter! The RANGER 2.0 head will fit on the 2.3 block as the 2.0 (Ranger) and the 2.3 (Ranger) use the same block. The 2.0 (Ranger) has a smaller bore and all else is the same on the block. The 2.0 made across the pond is an entirely different motor from the 2.0 Ranger.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

amc49

Not in my world they don't. I prefer the 4 cam towers to 3 any day. There are cam bearing durability issues.

2v or 4v is same as 2 bbl. or 4 bbl. Or 2 venturi or 2 barrel barb.


ddewey78

Damn, im a retard, I meant 2.0 head on a 2.3 block!! guess i oughta proof read a bit better! But the info on intakes is great. I have a 380 holley, thats why i was curious about the intake. And another silly question, whats 2v and 4v refer to? So you guys seem super knowledgeable, so hopefully you can tell me if the heads interchange, ive had a ton of work done, so that would be awesome if they do

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on June 05, 2014, 03:34:00 PM
I wouldn't, but lots of people seem to think it's acceptable. Those people also do this:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2208405&page=3

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=20412

Just ignore the conversation and look at the pictures.
Ok gotcha, I've always maintained that some people shouldn't own tools let alone work on stuff.. ::) ::)
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

amc49

As Christopher Walken would say..............'Wowie wow, wow wow....................I never cease to be amazed at how defective the human gene pool can get.

Running exhaust inside the car??????

I too threw a 4 bbl. adapter up on top of an EFI lower and thirty seconds later it was no, non, no, no...................no. Kinda silly anyway, the engines just really can't use a 4 bbl., the 4 bbl. used is artificially super small so not really one anyway. These run better with 2 bbl. to me, even in race configuration. I think the Offy 4 bbl. app flat sucks myself and the cleanest one out there. The double split level just messes up the intake port more.

On the EFI, most want to cheap out on the spacer height and then you end up butchering the lower a lot more in compensation trying to create a plenum to only make manifold in effect flatter, then the outboard ports lose power from the instant sudden turn there with no time to do it. The manifold was designed to be dry not wet and why they turned port hard like that.

65ShelbyClone

I wouldn't, but lots of people seem to think it's acceptable. Those people also do this:

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2208405&page=3

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=20412

Just ignore the conversation and look at the pictures.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

74 PintoWagon

Why would you try and adapt a junky spacer to the intake??, you make one to match properly..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

65ShelbyClone

Because it's the most work and most of the 4v adaptations I have seen are shoddily done. Bolt-on 2v adapter plates are readily available, but not 4v, so it usually involves scabbing a junky aluminum carb spacer onto the lower intake and knife-edging the port entries, which is the wrong kind of leading edge to use for the kind of flow going through an intake manifold.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dick1172762

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on June 05, 2014, 09:02:33 AM
What is wrong with the lower EFI intake???, all I hear is good stuff about them??..
I SECOND THAT!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on June 05, 2014, 02:09:12 AM
Although I hate to suggest it, the "square" '86+ EFI intakes can be used with some sort of adapter plate.
What is wrong with the lower EFI intake???, all I hear is good stuff about them??..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

amc49

The Ford OEM 2.0 manifold to 2.3 head requires an adapter plate which is no longer available.

65ShelbyClone

Offenhauser 4v intakes can still be found. Esslinger still offers a 2v intake. Although I hate to suggest it, the "square" '86+ EFI intakes can be used with some sort of adapter plate.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

ddewey78

First off, sorry for all the newbe questions, and thanks for the answers!! you guys rock! So, i think I read that a 2.0 intake will bolt on to a 2.3 block? is that true? also, does anyone make a 2.3 manifold that a 4bbl holley will bolt onto? THX!!