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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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madddoggj

i have 2, one i've had since 1999.  it is a 77 custom panel wagon.  drove it for 3 years before i did somethign stupid which resulted in a blown motor being in the car and the original working motor sitting on the ground next to it.  oh well. 
my second pinto was originally purchased in june of 2002 to drive while i "worked" on my 77.  i went through all the trouble of getting it title in delaware and getting the car inspected.   Then my stupidity attacked again.  It was my first stick shift, and i drove it hard.  blew a piston ring out,, but the smoking underpowered engine didn't stop me from driving it.  it ultimately met its doom about a month later when the transmission blew.  this got worse before they got better.  the car sat for about a year in my parents back yard.  one year after buying the car i purchased a built 2.3 for it.  sent it over to a shop to have it installed. and ended up moving to ohio.  i couldn't afford to pay for the work on the car, so i just gave it to the owner of the shop.  i moved back to delaware about 6 months later.  the new owner of the car contacted me.  he was moving out of his shop and had no where to keep the car, so he wanted to know if i wanted it back.  while it was not in my posession it had some work done to it.  the ruined motor and 4 speed transmission were replaced with a 2.3 turbo with a ranger roller cam installed and a built c4. the 6.75 inch rear was replaced with an 8 inch with 3.55 gears.  turbo coupe seats were installed, and a set of 16 inch turbo coupe "snowflake wims were put on it.  the car was close to completion and he wanted $1700 FOR A CAR THAT I HAD ORIGINALLY BOUGHT FOR $200.  but he also offered a few extras.  it came with a complete extra 2.3 turbo with wireing harness and computer.  a complete black interior to replace the red one currently in the car.  2 spare turbo coupe rims with a set of bf goodrich comp t/a's.  and a cable operated t5 bellhousing..  so basically for 1700 i got everythign i needed to have 2 turbo pintos.  so at this point what i have is a 79 sedan with a 2.3 in need of a fuel pump, a shifter, and an exhaust.  and everythign i need to drop the 2nd 2.3 turbo in my original pinto minus the t5 tranny and 8 inch rear.  which i figue i can get for 2-300 for both.  wow, that was a long post fr what seems to me to be a short story.  by the way, also through the last 7 years i have owned a 74 wagon and a 78 wagon.
Josh

79 Turbo Sedan (so close to ready i can taste it)
77 Panel Wagon (getting a turbo soon if i can get the cash flowing right)

renton481

I've had my 79 wagon since summer 1988.  My mother had wrecked my 66 Fairlane, and I bought the Pinto with the insurance money for $700.  It was either the 79 wagon or a 76 wagon.... I liked the feel of the 79 wagon better, also there was better vision.  It reminded me a little of the 70 Maverick I learned to drive in... so I bought it.....  and no way will I get rid of it.

It's been a dependable car, only failed me thrice -- twice when the clutch cable broke, and once when the timing belt blew apart.  It was off road for a while when the body broke where the emergency brake handle is (my step father fixed it by welding). 

She's got some rust here and there, but still runs well, and gets me where I want to go.  I'm learning to take better care of her, partially thanks to this website.


Tercin

I got my 73 a few months ago. I stored it at my parents house in California until yesterday when it arrived. Last night I was out in the garage playing Pinto's It is my second one. I had another 73 when I was just out of high school. I drove that car all over the place for a couple of years then sold it to A guy that took it to Norht Carolina never to be seen by me again. I feel fortunate to have the opportunity to be driving a 73 Pinto again.
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

1955ranchwagon

i have had my wagon since 2001 when i was 17
i have had my 80 hatch parts car since 2003

sagesunrise

I've had my pinter since 1986 and she has been the love of my life since day one.  More faithful than anyone I know!! ;D
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

losin sux

I have had my Pinto less than one year.  She is more reliable than my 92 F150!  I drove from Central Arkansas down to St. Petersburg Florida to get her.  I call her Sabrina for obvious reasons.  I have since had the vinyl roof replaced and am starting to work on the small stuff in the interior.
77 HB 2.3 C3 3.40

CONSFIRE

GOOD DAY TO ALL MY FELLOW PINTO OWNERS, I'VE OWNED MY FIRST PINTO SINCE THE DAY I BOUGHT IT IN AUG. 1974, IT'S GONE THROUGH MANY STAGES. IT'S BEEN A DAILY DRIVER, SHOW CAR AND RACE CAR. IT'S NOW SITTING IN MY GARAGE WAITING TO BE REBUILT INTO A PRO STREET SHOW CAR. IT HAS 25.000+- MILES ON IT. IT'S BEEN TUBBED, FRAMED AND WILL BE SEEING A 450+ HP SMALL BLOCK AGAIN SOON. I ALSO OWN A '71 IN BETTER THAN MINT CONDITION ,IT LOOKS JUST LIKE OUR EMBLEM AT THE HEAD OF THE WEB SITE. I'M THE THIRD OWNER IT,S SO STOCK THAT I DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MODIFING IT. IT'S THE LITTLE OLD LADY FROM PASADENA CAR, MOST OF THE COMMENTS I GET ARE, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU FOUND THAT CAR IN THAT GOOD OF CONDITION FROM AROUND HERE (WESTERN NEW YORK, BUFFALO). IF ANY ONE NEEDS HELP WITH A PROBLEM OR NEEDS ADVICE WITH A V8 SWAP PLEASE CONTACT ME AT CONSFIRE ON OUR WEB SITE. THANKS FOR TAKING TIME IN READING THIS AND HAVE A PINTO DAY.    PHIL

Runabout80

March 8th 2005 made 2 years of owning my Pinto... And by the time the old car will be running again it'll be 3.

That 2-3 years of owning my Pinto will turn into many many more, I don't plan on selling the old car anytime in my life(unless cancer strikes it too hard which I hope doesn't happen). If I can't afford the insurance on it, into storage it will go. That was the first car that I paid for myself, and did every bit of work it needed. That car is a part of me and always will be, Pintos are part of my life now.
1980 Pinto 2.3, Not much now but looking at a 400+HP 302 V8 heart transplant. In 2006 probably, too hard to afford stuff like that in College.

gearhead440

I bought my 1980 pinto in 1986 - next October will make 20 years - wow  :o
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

77turbopinto

That's so kool, you can look at both side at the same time!!!!!!

I got my first(not including the 77 wagon my mom had) in the fall of 97 from a friend. That was a racecar. It got wrecked (for me), and I found 2 parts cars, but when I found my 77, it went on the road. The 78 followed a few years later(wifes car), and wsas to be a parts car, but my wife had her say. Very short version of a very long story, see my thread in this section "new member here" for more details.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Hello  nnn0wqk,
Nice twins!!!
Happy late birthday on you original 1974 Pinto Purchase.
From pintony

nnn0wqk

I bought my Pinto May 5th 1974 the year I graduated from high school. The car now has 230k miles and was a daily runner until about 6 years ago when put into storage. I got it out last year for my 30th year class reunion. I am now in the process of a full restoration. The car is stripped to the shell. I will be repairing the rust in the quarter panels and then going back to original condition. I am adding factory air and heat back glass. Both options I wanted when it was new but could never afford. These parts have been located. Last summer I bought this cars twin that was here in the area. Same color and options with exception it had a sun roof. I had tinted glass. I will be installing the motor out of the parts car until I find time to O/H mine (2.3L) as it had good compression and seems to run OK. When new and under warrenty the only part that was replaced was the wiper switch. With the exception of normal maintance the only part that I remember failing is the ignition coil. Not bad for a cheep car. I paid $3158.58 for it. It was a delux model with factory mags etc. Good job Mr. Ford.

skrach

ive had the car for about 12 years. im the second owner.  im 20 years old now so i have had this car most of my life.  and yest this would mean i got the car when i was 8 my parents stored it for me till i was able to drive. my dad would occasionally drive it around town but not much.  but it was the car i had my drivers test in and one of the best times in the back seat at a drive on movie. :)  i grew up with this car around me in my life.  and i plan on it staying in my life till my life is through and hopefully my children will have a passion for a car so little in value and so little in size, to keep it as a family fortune. :) i hope i hope i hope.
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

77pintocw

Hello:

I bought my original 1977 Pinto Cruise Wagon in the Spring of 1978.  It was my first car and I
have owned it ever since.  I have kept it in stock condition (until my local Ford dealer destroyed
many parts on it in the past year) and it was my main mode of transportation until 1984.  In fact,
on one vacation to the Florida Keys in 1981 my wife, sister and I were coming back from the Keys
to Pensacola (where I grew up) and we decided not to stop for gas in the panhandle (young and foolish).
When we finally got to P-cola we made it across the Escambia Bay bridge and pulled into the nearest
gas station.  When I filled the 14.0 gas tank up, I put in 14.1 gallons of gas!  Man, were we running on vapors
or what?  Those were the good ole days when the Pinto was king of the road.   :)  Anyway, when I
get time I will take some pics of my Cruise Wagon, it is white with blue graphics and still is in excellent
condition.

77Pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

wagonmaster

In my current stable, I have three Pintos. The '79 Panel Delivery I have had since early '91. I've had the '77 Squire since mid-'93 and the '80 Squire I've had for about two years.
Brien - wagonmaster
'85 LTD LX
'85 LTD Squire wagon

r4pinto

Bought my first Pinto September of last year.. Had severe frame rot so I bought another to replace it 2 weeks ago.. In all I've been a Pinto owner for about 8.5 months, and I don't regret one bit of it. :)
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintoman

I've bought mine 11 years ago.Then i got stupid and sold it to a friend,he had about 18 months.I then talked him into selling it back to me.He wants it back but im keeping it forever.Love the car to much and he can fined his own.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

krazi

going on about 5 years now. I love having the only bobcat wagon in town! I didn't like fords when I was younger, I thought I'd be a chevy guy. I quit buying gm cars altogether. I got tired of walking home all the time. and I found that fords respond better to the work I put into them. they're more expensive, but they feel a little more solid. I think my car found me. I'm still getting all the bugs worked out of it, but it has definately changed how I look at ford products. and gm as well. I have my '77 bobcat wagon, which was my first car, my '79 pinto sedan (still for sale), and a '72 pinto wagon that I bought for parts.

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

Farmboy

  My first one I had for 5 years, 1975 to 1980, had to sell it to pay income tax, the one I have now I'm going on my 1st year of ownership. It's great driving a car you don't see around anymore :o
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

crazyhorse

I've owned mine for almost 5 years & it's been one of the best daily drivers I've ever had.
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

71pintok

As of May the 3rd My car has been in the family 34 years. My sister bought the car for my Dad for$2,425.75 Cdn. When I hit 16 he gave me the keys. With only 29000 miles on it I drove it every where.Since then Pintos were in my blood. When I die I'm getting buried in it with my awards on the dash, case of Labbatts Blue in the trunk and AC/DC Highway to Hell in the casette player.