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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

15 inch steelies? are they out there?

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Srt

i had 13x7 steel wheels on mine from "motor rim & wheel service" back in 71.  [size=78%]they had 7" rims in stock and would put the center anywhere you wanted.  [/size]



all new, a set of 4 13x7's with a 4" back space cost me $17 each plus tax in 1971 dollars. 


took about a week to get 'em and i finished them off with some stock pinto dog dishes and a thin pinstripe around the rim in lime green (the car was a factory dark green metallic)


cheap and did the job.


i know that that was a LONG time ago, but, sometimes the best way is the simplest way
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

poomwah

I suppose I could probably put a moon disc on the turbines

jonz2pinto

How's this idea? I actually tried using a hubcap13" on a 15x8 steel mag wheel and it fit.sorta looked like an oversized dog dish ford wheel from back in the 70s.may not work on all but give it a try.it opens up a lot more options.
Pinto-is short for pint-o-fun.

Wittsend

Thank you for the correction.  The error was mine. Yes, the  Cop Cars had the 10 hole "phone dial" wheels.

don33

Stock car wheels from speedway motors.

poomwah

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on May 14, 2014, 07:54:28 PM
The wheels you're talking about are known among the Fox3 crowd as "10-holes" or "phone-dialers."

"Turbines" like these were only available on '87-9X Mustang GTs:


those are the ones I have, without center caps.  I HATE those center caps

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: Wittsend on May 13, 2014, 12:11:54 PM
Eventually the Mustang cop cars went away from the steel SSP wheels to the Turbines.

The wheels you're talking about are known among the Fox3 crowd as "10-holes" or "phone-dialers."

"Turbines" like these were only available on '87-9X Mustang GTs:
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dianne

Quote from: poomwah on May 14, 2014, 06:13:38 PM
those do look pretty good on there.
just not feeling it for what I'm picturing, the vision I'm having is either moon discs or baby moons

Then use baby moons instead of the factory caps and trim rings :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

poomwah

those do look pretty good on there.
just not feeling it for what I'm picturing, the vision I'm having is either moon discs or baby moons

dianne

Oh, and don't forget the grenades!!!

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

Quote from: jeremysdad on May 14, 2014, 05:05:30 PM
Those are what I'm rockin'. :) I think they fit the car's style quite well. :)

Thanks! I think they set off the car. Although the trim rings are from a Vega. I know, I know my whole wagon will rust now ahahaha

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

jeremysdad

Quote from: dianne on May 13, 2014, 07:45:49 PM
These can be on any size and relatively inexpensive. On 14 or 15" I think the trim rings are more pricey.

It's an inexpensive alternative, I think, and provides as good as, or a better look. I actually think they look better on the right cars, Pintos are one of them and Mavericks.

Those are what I'm rockin'. :) I think they fit the car's style quite well. :)

dianne

These can be on any size and relatively inexpensive. On 14 or 15" I think the trim rings are more pricey.

It's an inexpensive alternative, I think, and provides as good as, or a better look. I actually think they look better on the right cars, Pintos are one of them and Mavericks.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pinturbo75

I have a set of 15x7 steel wheels I bought from a company in cali... built to my spec on backspacing and shipped for 160... put 14s on the front with the 15s out back...im thinking about putting them back on....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

poomwah

the only reason I want 15 over 14 is because I have a set of 15 inch tires in excellent condition.
I think the turbines look amazing on a pinto with the right paint scheme,
but for what I'd really like to do, moon discs would look great, the ones pinto 5.0 posted would look PHENOMENAL.
If the 13's didn't look so silly, all the space around them in the wheel well and whatnot, I'd just get some 13 inch moons.

Wittsend

Eventually the Mustang cop cars went away from the steel SSP wheels to the Turbines. They used this paint scheme (see image).  The actual color is semi gloss black. For some reason it has a blue tint in this picture.  You can probably pay a half maybe even a third for Alloy Turbines over steel SSP's. Probably one of the few cases where the alloys are not as valuable as the steels.  I wonder how that goes in the GM world.  Ford has pricy SSP's, Mopar guys have their pricey cop car wheels, and GM ... ?

The Turbines look good on the T-Bird and can look OK on a Pinto, but you have to have just the right tire combination.  FYI, the Fairmonts, earlier Mustangs (I think), and the like came with a 14" steel wheel that have a center mount hubcap capability.  You should be able to get those in a junkyard for about $10 each.  Any reason why 14" wouldn't work over 15" for you?


Pinto5.0

I got these from Summit in 4 bolt 14x6 & 15x7 from Wheel Vintiques with 47 Ford caps & ribbed trim rings. They run about $125 apiece as I have them but I got them 1 at a time & used a $25 off coupon for each one saving about 20% of the total. I've still got to powdercoat them red but the 2nd pic is what they will look like finished.



'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

poomwah

thanks guys, its looking like this is going to be an expensive idea.


I've got a set of mustang turbines with good tires on them, I haven't purchased spacers or longer studs yet.  I like them, but I had a crazy idea for a paint scheme and a "theme" that I didn't think would work with the turbines, so I was thinking steel wheels and moon discs.
But, with the expense I'm looking at, I may as well just buy the stuff to mount the turbines and live with them

tbucketjack

Try Stockton Wheel Company or Wheel Vintiques. Good Luck

Wittsend

Well if you have the money there are the steel 15" Mustang SSP wheels (over $300 for a set of 4).  Steel..., with a bit of flavor (bottom image).  I found a couple of SSP Look A Likes on a '88 T-Bird (upper image).  They are only 14" (and not as wide), but have the same perimeter holes as the SSP.  And, I like the center hole better on these too. BTW, the yard wanted to charge me for this tire! Flat, no tread and a damaged sidewall. Yea, that's $25 on Craigslist "All day long" - NOT! Totally a junk tire.

Most of the Fox body 4 X 4.25" cars went to some form of alloy wheel when they went to 15".  But there may be some T-Birds, Mercury's etc. that were 15" steels.

qikpnto

I'm sure you can find some that fit but you may have to some searching online for a custom wheel company that makes steel wheels.
77 V8 Cruzin Wagon Custom

poomwah

Are there 15 inch steel wheels that fit pintos? or are we stuck with 13's?