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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Cookieboystoys

ok... so here's a recap

the 8" rear from a 1975/76 rear was a perfect swap into the 79 Bobcat

all hardware from the 6.75 rear swapped over to the 8"
* Drums, Shoes, Springs, ujoint, etc... everything
* Emergency Brake Cable fit and works

for the breather I removed the thick washer and that gave me just enough threads to feel comfortable to reuse the one I had. The links others provided for the Mustang replacement part should have worked but I did call for a measurement from the bottom of nut to bottom of threads and the replacement part was 1/4 inch shorter but I believe it would have worked. Quite a few Mustang II people also confirmed that is the part they used when needed
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

I called for a measurement bottom of nut to bottom of threads and it's 1 and 1/8" - the one I have is 1 - 1/4 with a thick lock washer so maybe with a really thin lock washer? ? ? will have to measure and check tonight to see if it might? work?


http://www.laurelmountainmustang.com/products/1965-1966-mustang-axle-vent-hose-fitting
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Thanks for the links Oldkayaker, I didn't get home from work early enough to give them a call for that measurement. I measured mine and it is 1-1/4 like you said, I sure hope they can or will have the measurement available.


Quote from: oldkayaker on June 24, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
The links below show 60's Mustang fittings.  The stated thread size of 7/16"-20 and hose nipple size 5/16" are the same sizes as the Mustang II.  The Mustang II fitting measures ~1-1/4" from the bottom of the nut to the end of the threads.  Maybe call them and ask for a measurement.  The longer one looks to have similar proportions to the Mustang II fitting.  Good luck.
http://www.laurelmountainmustang.com/products?utf8=%E2%9C%93&taxon=&keywords=axle vent
http://www.npdlink.com/store/catalog/Mustang_Rear_Axle-429-2.html
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

oldkayaker

The links below show 60's Mustang fittings.  The stated thread size of 7/16"-20 and hose nipple size 5/16" are the same sizes as the Mustang II.  The Mustang II fitting measures ~1-1/4" from the bottom of the nut to the end of the threads.  Maybe call them and ask for a measurement.  The longer one looks to have similar proportions to the Mustang II fitting.  Good luck.
http://www.laurelmountainmustang.com/products?utf8=%E2%9C%93&taxon=&keywords=axle vent
http://www.npdlink.com/store/catalog/Mustang_Rear_Axle-429-2.html
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

74 PintoWagon

Ok that's no biggie then, quick way is like HOSS said just epoxy it in there, it won't go anywhere.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: HOSS429 on June 24, 2013, 11:28:32 AM
use some other means to tighten the brake lines in the block then simply use some JB weld on the rest of the threads to hold the block down ... it does`nt have to be that tight ....

I've considered that Hoss429 and I agree it's an option when nothing else can be done.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on June 24, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
I see a hose clamp and a piece of broken hose that the arrow is pointing to???, what threads are you talking about??..

it would look something like this when not attached to the rear end
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

HOSS429

use some other means to tighten the brake lines in the block then simply use some JB weld on the rest of the threads to hold the block down ... it does`nt have to be that tight ....

74 PintoWagon

I see a hose clamp and a piece of broken hose that the arrow is pointing to???, what threads are you talking about??..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Cookieboystoys

Help! Ideas? Suggestions

the breather for the 8" rear end has the threads stripped. Not inside the rear, that looks good but the breather that screws into the rear end and holds down the brake line block has very little tread left and will not hold down tight. I've been to the parts store and they look at me like I'm nutz thinking this is a part that can be ordered... so I'm looking for ideas? suggestions? on a replacement?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

? ? ? in my case with the MII  8" rear end.... all parts will work for the swap - drums, pads and all hardware. Why wouldn't the drums work for you?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dennisofaz

Hi Cookie,


Thanks for the information.  I bought a new breather/brake distribution/hose for a pinto, the old ones hose was cut, and it is good to know that the breather hose can be made to work. I i put on new brakes this year and I am glad to hear that all the parts, with the exception of the drums, will work.   


Dennis

Cookieboystoys

[quote author=dennisofaz link=topic=22533.msg137963#msg137963 date=137161723
Years ago i did the 6.75" to 8" swap and the parking brake cable mounting hole in the backing plate was bigger in the 8".  Can you check the hole size to see if they are the same. 

Dennis


Dennis, in this case with the 1975/76 Mustang II 8" rear I'm putting into the Bobcat I was able to measure the E-brake hole and it's the same as the hole found on the 6.75" I pulled from an 80 Bobcat parts car. I will be able to reuse all brake parts and the E-brake cable too.

The only difference I have found between the 2 rears is the breather valve. On the 6.75 it's on the pass side/top of the pumpkin and on the 8" it's a hollow bolt to hold down the brake valve with a rubber hose  attached for the breather. There was a piece of tubbing attached with a bend so it would point down on the 8" rear end breather
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: Wittsend on June 19, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
Maybe Ford did things different in later years, but my '73  6-3/4" had a different sized brake drum center hole than the 8." 
Tom

yes, this is true... 71-73 are different and the wheels from them will not fit on 74 and up axels because of that center part :)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Wittsend

Maybe Ford did things different in later years, but my '73  6-3/4" had a different sized brake drum center hole than the 8."  When I got my rear end I was thrilled I had opted to spend the extra $10 and get it drum to drum. It was only after the fact I found out the center holes were different. As I recall the center hole in the 6-3/4" was smaller than the 8."

In the end it didn't matter. I welded the 6-3/4" into the Turbo Coupe so it could be hauled away.  Then I recouped the cost of the 8" by selling the 8.8 from the Turbo Coupe!

Tom

Pinto5.0

Wheel cylinders are the same as well. I had a set for my 8" already & they went right on my 6.75" in my wagon a few weeks ago. The Bendix spring kit for the 8" was an exact match as well.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinturbo75

same here, used the origonal brakes complete on the 8"....did it just as mike did..
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Cookieboystoys

Quote from: Mike Modified on June 19, 2013, 12:33:45 AM
When I put a MII 8" under my '77, as far as I could tell, it had the same brake shoes, cylinders and drums as the 6.75 that was in my Pinto and freshly rebuilt.  So I merely unbolted the original brakes from the little axle, not breaking open the hydraulics, then pulled it out and bolted the 8" in.  The 6.75" brakes bolted on to the 8", so no worries about parking brake cables.

Mike

I was online last night checking part #'s for drums, shoes and brake parts... all were the same MII vs Pinto. I will look into the e-brake cable hole tonight.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Mike Modified

When I put a MII 8" under my '77, as far as I could tell, it had the same brake shoes, cylinders and drums as the 6.75 that was in my Pinto and freshly rebuilt.  So I merely unbolted the original brakes from the little axle, not breaking open the hydraulics, then pulled it out and bolted the 8" in.  The 6.75" brakes bolted on to the 8", so no worries about parking brake cables.

Mike

dennisofaz

Hi,


Years ago i did the 6.75" to 8" swap and the parking brake cable mounting hole in the backing plate was bigger in the 8".  Can you check the hole size to see if they are the same.  If not Rock Auto has the Mustang II cable that will fit into the 8", but the overall cable length is 6" shorter than the stock Pinto cable which might be a problem.


Dennis

Cookieboystoys

e-brake = no I didn't, I'll have to look into that
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pinto5.0

That saves me from doing it this weekend. Did you measure the E-brake cable? MII is supposed to be 3"+ longer & should be the only difference then.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Cookieboystoys

Measure and compared.... everything looks exactly the same! Yea!

1975-76 Mustang Rear - 3.00:1 limited slip

vs.

1980 6.75 Pinto Rear - 3.08:1 one wheel wonder
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pinto5.0

That's the link I was gonna post. My new ones came from there but I need to order 2 more. I didn't realize I need 4 when I bought them.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dennisofaz


Cookieboystoys

anybody have a quick link/know where to purchase new rubbers?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pinto5.0

The rubbers should be the same. I was told the only difference was the brake cable length. I've seen a couple posts lately about differences but I'd like to know the truth. I have 2 MII housings at home.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Cookieboystoys

the 8" I have was already installed in an 80 Pinto I scrapped, I will measure and compare the mounting plates too later tonight. I always thought it was the same and just the rubber insulators were different...

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

bbobcat75

I HAVE NOT DONE THE SWAP MYSELF BUT HAVE SEEN ON HERE THAT THE GUYS SAY THE MOUNING PLATES ARE IN DIFFERENT SPOTS AND HAVE TO BE CUT AND RE WELDED SO NOT JUST A BOLT IN JOB AND LITTLE FAB WORK IS NEEDED FROM WHAT I HAVE READ!!

GOOD LUCK

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