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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

I'm back (in a Pinto)... why? I'm starting to wonder....

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Pale Roader

Quote from: DreamBean on June 16, 2013, 12:48:05 AM
I'm Old School, If I cannot get my choke to work right, I just put a manual one on. I too had a vehicle that I had to pop the hood before I drove it. Drove me crazy. So I feel ya pain.


On my Mopars i've never bothered with a choke period, and i live in Canada. You just 'stay with it' till it warms up, maybe two-foot it the first couple miles... no biggie. But THIS car... this car just will NOT warm up. EVER. I'll let that sucker sit at 3000rpm for a minute in the driveway, then drive for five miles before that thing starts to drive like a car. Without the choke it is utterly undriveable. I've NEVER owned a car that refused to warm up like this one. All the stock engine stuff is still attached too... and working, no plugged/broken risers/intakes/hoses, etc. My 72 Charger had a 440 with NO air-cleaner (just a stub-stack), no choke, single-plane aluminum intake, blocked heat-crossovers, big spacer under the carb, and headers, and it was good to go in the dead ov winter a 1/2 mile down the road...

Pale Roader

Quote from: dga57 on June 15, 2013, 12:08:16 AM
I like the way you think!!!

Dwayne :)


Well... this may or may not happen. I DO need a new car, but the desire to fix THIS one is limited. Once i pop that head off to do the gasket i'm GOING to get the 'might-as-wells'... and considering that my near-immediate plans for this thing was a header + 2 1/4" mandrel-bent Borla exhaust and other mods... there is pretty much NO way i'm going to get through a head-gasket job without adding a header/exhaust, headwork (shave for compression, porting, hell... even big valves if its cheap enough...) blah blah blah... I guess this would be the perfect time to do the steering coupler too... as i was not looking forward to replacing the rag-joint as it was.


The work shouldn't be too hard, its not a V8, so half the job right? Its just that now i'll be what? $125 into the header/exhaust, at least $200 into headwork, more for the gasket and soft parts, and well... probably $500 total more into this wreck that STILL wont be worth the price ov the used rims it rolls on. I'd MUCH rather start with a better car. I still have a tank rusty enough to plug the sender with scale, and a fuel gauge that will never work. AND that STOOOOOPID carb... ugh.


With ported head, another full point ov compression, header and race exhaust, will this thing STILL be a dog at 2400lbs...? ? ?

DreamBean

I'm Old School, If I cannot get my choke to work right, I just put a manual one on. I too had a vehicle that I had to pop the hood before I drove it. Drove me crazy. So I feel ya pain.
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

dga57

Quote from: Pale Roader on June 14, 2013, 07:20:34 AM


JUST because it obviously does NOT want to run... because it obviously wants to die mercifully and go off to the scrap heap... i'm going to fix it.


I like the way you think!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pale Roader




Well i guess my little science experiment is over before it began. I needed it to last me ONE MORE DAY... just one more 2 mile trip to work and back... before i took it off the road tomorrow and swapped the plates onto my 68 Caddy. So OV COURSE... starting it up after work, which was easy enough with the usual gas dumped down the carb... i literally cannot clutch this thing enough to (get this) get the  turd to pull a U-turn from the sidewalk where i was parked to the other lane... because the crest in the road was too steep. Yes... this car quite literally does not have enough power to get over the crest in a downtown city street. And because it could not get over the crest, it stalled ov course, and then would not restart with any amount ov gas. The really neat 'whirring' noise instead ov the usual cranking noise tells me that the head gasket is toast. I almost wished it would unstrap and roll off the back ov the tow truck on its way home, but i thought better ov it... i actually like the wheels that are on it. And now once again i am the owner ov a non-running Pinto, that cannot be easily fixed. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO O GLAD i paid a mechanic to fix the tranny/frost plug problem.


You know that viral video ov that guy taking an axe to his hearse in the mall parking lot...?? Yeah. Good thing i didn't have an axe.


ANYWAYS... this POS is not getting off so easily. JUST because it obviously does NOT want to run... because it obviously wants to die mercifully and go off to the scrap heap... i'm going to fix it. I cant think ov a better colder revenge than that...




Why cant i just find a half-decent 71 Runabout with a stick...??

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Pale,

Reading your daily commute was a hoot!!!  I've had a few Pintos that made my 60 mile commute as much of an adventure. I've had a coupe where I had to pump the brakes three times before they would even start to leave the floor. Lots of fun on the freeway when traffic stops suddenly. I drove one for two years that was the opposite, when I touch the brakes the backs lock up. Lot of fun on a wet freeway. I had one that I drove for 9 months with no battery or starter, and towards the end I had the same kind of starting problems as you, but I always got it to start before I got to the bottom of the hill.

Ah, GOOD TIMES!

Pale Roader




Well, not that my point was to turn this into a blog... but the lil black science experiment i think is coming to a conclusion. I am concluding that this heap really does want to be turned into a cube and sent to China to be turned into lawnmower shrouds and DVD player cases.


The pouring gas down the carb EVERY time it starts thing has gotten old. Trying to wrap my head around how a new carb can be so useless has brought me back to the tank and sender. Thinking now that the VERY mickey-moused sending unit has already gone bad, and the fuel pump refuses to draw gas at cranking speed. After its running okay and warm is fine, but cold no chance. Seeing as i'll not be pulling the tank anytime soon, and the water pump is going from worse to ridiculous... the 8mpg horror ov a 68 Caddy is looking a LOT more reasonable a choice for daily commuting. Damn. I was having fun with this little bomb.


If i can make ANY money working while spending $1700 a week on gas with the Caddy i'll be buying parts for this rolling IED, and maybe in a month or two... damn i wish i could just find a half decent 71 instead...

Pale Roader




dga57, yeah... not really my definition ov close...


Blupinto, I really do like this car... its as good as its going to get in a later year (no-option stick mpg car), and even the considerable rust wouldn't keep me from dumping tons ov money into it. What DOES keep me from dumping tons ov money into it is that i want a 71. Even if i put 71 front clip and rear bumper on it it will weigh a ton more than a 71 (why? no one here can say). I just want a 71. So this will do FOR NOW... i can maybe scab some early bumpers/valences on there for now, i can make it into a fun lil punk car for now... but i cant spend money (big money) on a car that weighs 200lbs more than it has to.

blupinto

Don't lose hope...

      In October, against my better judgement, I followed my heart and bought another (yes ANOTHER) Pinto- a pretty beat-up looking one missing all sorts of things like mirrors, the shoulder parts of the seat belts, etc. and broken stuff like door releases and armrests. Because I bought it (with my 2013 Carlisle Fund, no less) at a junkyard, it now has salvage title... a pain in the rear to get registered. First she had to have a brake and light inspection. Brakes failed because of a leaky cylinder and her back-up lights failed to work, even after I replaced both bulbs and the fuse. Turns out it was a broken (in two pieces) back-up light switch.  I replaced the switch, while a real mechanic replaced the faulty brake cylinder. THEN I had to buy brand-new license plates but couldn't get the personalized plates I wanted (deemed "too offensive") before I could drive her legally. Oh, and the hours waiting in line for one-day moving permits and the other nonsense are hours I will never see again.  After all THAT, she sporadically had fuel issues where she would lose power in 4th gear and jerk and sputter at around 55 mph. No bueno. I took her tank out and cleaned it after I discovered a piece of mylar candy wrapper in the fuel line.


            The good news is, she runs fantastic now and I can only thank Rich Gallina for his patience and help with getting the timing right (and other Pinto things too). She still needs 3 new tires and the right inner tie rod is still loose but she's been great transportation and even gets a thumbs-up from a man in a late-model Mustang (a higher-end model) some mornings when he passes me on the freeway on my way to work.

          Sorry about the War And Peace-size post, but I guess what I'm saying is I started out with an unknown entity in Moxie BluBelle. I swear I've seen her parked a couple miles from my home a few years ago, and even then it appeared she had been sitting. All the crap I cleaned out of her cowl and doors, plus the surface rust almost all over, confirms it. Still, I had faith in the lil' scamp when she started right up at the junkyard with maybe a cupful of gasoline in her cap-less tank.  It could be McCaa stubbornness that kept me working on this car... or a sixth sense told me this car needs to run good and be mine. Who knows?  I'm hoping you can get your Pinto back into good service soon. It's a long hard ropad, but if you love that car, it's worth it, and the joy of driving it and making people smile will dull the pain of working on it and the frustration you had to face. Good luck, Pale Roader, and never give up!  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: Pale Roader on June 08, 2013, 03:57:06 AM


I'd rather GIVE money to Fred. Is he close by...??

Depends on your idea of "close" - he's in Parker, Arizona.
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pale Roader




I'd rather GIVE money to Fred. Is he close by...?? (forgot on this site you cant have three '?'s in a row without making a smiley...)


An update on this whole mess. Car will NOT start now unless i pop the hood and dump gas down the carb. EVERY time, unless its still hot. The air cleaner lid has been in the back seat for a week now. I love how this car is a 'science-free' zone... Oh, and lost a reverse light tonight. On a good (?) note, i seem to be getting a minimum ov 20mpg city in this wreck. Thats with 3000rpm idles and 5000rpm clutch-drops (when the carb thing fills my soul with love), and generally driving around in a lower gear than necessary to warm the thing up. I cant say what it gets on the highway, as its got a 5 mile limit (with the water leakage) and i'm pretty sure it wont pull 60mph in 4th. I contemplated buying a new sending unit so i can have my gas gauge back, but the tech that fixed the rotten one said the tank is just as rotten on the inside... so whats the point? Think i'll save my money for some Rain-X instead. Beats buying wipers.

Pinto5.0

You can send money to Fred. He's never let me down.
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Pale Roader

Quote from: dga57 on June 06, 2013, 11:06:17 AM
Bumpers are out there, but they are pricey!  I needed a rear one a couple of months ago and ended up paying $208 (shipping included) for it.  It was NOS and considering the condition of my car, I felt it was worth it.  If you're not choosey about the bumpers being straight or rust free, ask here on the site... I'll bet somebody has some they'd like to get rid of! 
Dwayne :)


I dont need a straight or mint one... just one thats in relative passable shape. I'll bash on it a bit if i have to. The car is a turd, i wouldn't even want a mint bumper. And if the 71 bumpers are different than the 72's, then i want the lighter ones. Oh, need a 71 grille too. Valences are usually all bashed... and really, as long as i can physically bolt it up i'll be happy.


Also, they have to be within driving distance ov Vancouver. I'm too paranoid to mail money. I'd like to see it before i buy it. That definitely hurts my search. NOTHING around here!

dga57

Bumpers are out there, but they are pricey!  I needed a rear one a couple of months ago and ended up paying $208 (shipping included) for it.  It was NOS and considering the condition of my car, I felt it was worth it.  If you're not choosey about the bumpers being straight or rust free, ask here on the site... I'll bet somebody has some they'd like to get rid of! 
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pale Roader




Heh... well glad YOU'RE laughing. Truth be told when i'm not busy doing 12000 things at once to keep this wreck from sinking, i cant help but smile when i drive this thing. Its hilarious. Its actually a wicked little rally car on its best day with the stick and those big tires. It would even look cool if i could get those stupid bumpers off and get my big back tires on it.


The plan even before i bought this one, before it broke, and ever since... was to find a 71 (ONLY a  71) 4-speed with a hatch. It HAS to be a Runabout (i'd prefer disks and a 2L obviously). For years now (on and off) i've been looking for a decent one... has to run and drive at least a little better than Rat Bag... and it has to be cheap. I've found nothing. Found one within 200 miles on Craigslist, but the guy asks for phone numbers and never returns them. EVERYTHING else is either a 71 automatic, or a 72, or a wagon. In all those years i have not even been able to find some 71-2 bumpers/valences to put on mine. Anywhere. Even crooked rusted stuff... i'm not picky. I had to put about $400 into this one to get it to the gloriously mint  state i described above... but i'm still in it for less than 1K, and i can pull the rollers off it. I'd love to find a 71 and skip the daily drama...

dga57

Hi Pale Roader! 

Welcome back!

While I'm sure there's nothing really funny about your daily commute, the mental images you inspired nearly caused me to choke on my morning java from laughing so hard!  It sounds rather like what happened to my '72 sedan after it sat in the garage undriven for about three years! 

Back when the freeze plug first popped a few years ago, you contemplated buying a '71 or '72 Runabout as a replacement.  Is that idea not feasible now?

After getting it running (barely), I sold my poor little sedan to someone who was looking for a project, added a few thousand dollars, and bought myself a '72 Squire wagon that is in ridiculously good condition and completely roadworthy.  I was initially sad to have given up on my sedan, but I definitely do not regret my action.  The idea that I did the right thing is reinforced every time I take my Squire out for a spin! 

Whatever you decide - repair or replace - I'm sure the folks here will be more than glad to help you!  Oh... and congratulations on getting your password right on the first try!  I have trouble doing that on sites I use regularly!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pale Roader

Wow, its been decades. Got my password right on the first try. Good thing this isn't one ov those forums that deletes users if they dont post every day...


Insured my lil rat bag last week. 76 MPG no-option trunk with a 2.3 and a stick. My little science experiment... code (re)-name: Rat Bag. Sucker got parked in the mid-2000's when i tried to be a normal person and got a loan and bought a 96 Mustang GT. Life sucks and now, i'm no longer normal again, and  i'm back in a Pinto. Life doesn't zoop because i'm back in a Pinto... but because i'm back in MY Pinto. Sitting never does a car good... but THIS one made its desire to rust and die readily apparent when it popped a frost plug BEHIND the tranny, with NO water in the damn engine. That was just to piss me off. So i can either insure my 68 Caddy hearse and enjoy 8MPG, or i can pay some guy to fix my Pinto, which i did, which now involved a new clutch, carb rebuild, AND some lovely gas tank/sender Mickey-Mousing... and well now... THATS apparently just the beginning.


Oh yes. Come for a ride to work with me...


My daily commute now entails: popping the hood to completely refill the rad before EVERY trip (water pump sprung a leak while sitting), it will leak dry in 20 minutes, popping the air cleaner lid off to pour gas down the carb... the REBUILT carb... because it somehow completely drains ov gas if it sits for more than an HOUR. Then i start it up, which immediately wings the RPM's up to a fuel-efficient 3000 or so... because the choke has two settings: 3000 or stall. Tie the choke shut and it will NOT warm up... E-V-E-R. Then i can pretty much either automatic it (3000rpm, just drive with the brake) all the way to work, or i can three-foot it for the first 5 miles till things start getting normal. Thats fun... sailing into traffic, throw it into neutral, two-foot brake and gas to keep it from stalling. Hopefully its not raining (i live in the rainforest) because while (miracle ov miracles!) the wipers work...  the blades are pretty much metal-on-glass. The heater is doing SOMETHING... we haven't figured out exactly what yet. I'm told its pretty dramatic to watch... seeing as because WHILE SITTING... the steering rag joint FELL OFF... and its pretty much metal on (unconnected) metal down there. Probably a good thing i dont have responsive steering though... as unlikely as it may seem... also while sitting i think all the front end bushings either fell out, rusted out, or were stolen by gypsy vagabonds. Those wagons you see in old spaghetti-westerns rode nicer and quieter than this rig. SLLLLAM!!!ka-rattlerattle-POW! every bump... Good thing i have those 9" wide Z-rated 17" tires up front! Oh wait... got enough dry-rot in those from sitting (okay, i'll allow that one) that they look like they've got more siping than they came with. Those WERE good Dunlops. Back tires were always bald and cheap, so no loss there. I have some nice Dunlops for the back, but the 235's (yes... taller AND narrower than the front... because you know THAT looks cool...) are already polishing the rust in the inner wells... so i'll need spacers to fit those cool 265's i have. Cause you know... i'm sure you're thinking that this thing NEEEEDS some wicked 17" Z-rated rubber on it...


Back to the drive... again hoping its not raining... those holes in the floor make everything wet when the water falls, even with all the rags i keep for washing my hands after every start-up littering the floor. Oh, and that cranky carb is a DREAM when there's a touch ov humidity in the air as well... Foggy windows now? Oh well... its a narrow car, i can stick my head out the side window if need be. Night is fun, what with all the headlights cutting in and out on me randomly. Shockingly enough, i'm only missing one signal light... WHICH... is pretty much always on because the cancel cam is broken. Got my interior lights back last night too... those 5000rpm clutch-drops to warm the engine up send the lil sucker into some pretty gnarly chassis-wrap and the doors violently whacking against their strikers seem to jar the electrics a bit. Wish they'd jar  the fuel gauge to start working again. Even idling around at 3000rpm half the time, then triple-clutching it (to you know... get the thing MOVING) the gimp still gets over 20mpg in town... so you know i get cocky... "Tomorrow... it'll last till tomorrow..." Nope. Out ov gas. Dammit. My start-up jerry can is going to be empty in no time. Which... ov course jammed a hole in my headliner because my seat doesn't move forward or at ALL... aaaaannnd spilled gas all over the bottom back seat half. The top half is ov course collecting bugs and other wildlife in my shed... seeing as it wont stay attached to the car when i stop at lights. Well... i dont actually STOP at lights/signs anymore... battery is too weak to have to re-start it every time. I wonder what the hell is rolling around in the trunk though... key stopped working while it was sitting and the thing hasn't been opened in years.


Always an adventure. Every trip. Its one sexy ride with those 17's and all those cool dents though. As soon as i can find some early bumpers/valences those 700lb rust-planters will be outta there. Hoping they dont actually fall off before i do though... otherwise i'll be fabbing some duct-tape roll-pans. Actually... i bet that'd STILL look better than those stupid fat-lip bumpers.




Man, i REALLY wanted to drive this thing (seriously!). The car however... is on a different page it seems. 8mpg is looking pretty good right now... BUT... gas costs $1.50 a liter here (over $5 a gallon)... so until it dies or i have my friend with his military Humvee (H1) drive over it, i'm back. And i've got a lot ov questions.....