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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Makin' It Handle!

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CHEAPRACER

So if I used my Hot rod Magazine string front end alignment tool and the toe is perfect but it still pulls to the right, then the right side may have too much negative caster?
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

RAGINGPINTO

Caster is what makes the difference in how your car turns  The more + caster you have the
more th car wants to go striaght. The more - caster the easier the car will turn. the more - caster you have the more the car will folow the shapes (dip high spots) in the road.

+ toward front of car
- toward back of car

Toe has nothing to do with that.

Not meaning to say that I know a lot but, I work in body shop and Ido all the alignments just to let ya no
1980 pony Holley350 cfm 7.5inch rear posi almost rust free

gearhead440

For a 80 Pinto, would the 5/8" MII rear bar work with a 9" rear from a 57 wagon ?  The rear has the same width and spring perch line up as stock Pinto rear. ;D
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The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

Pintony

I think Roundy Round guys run toe out because of the banked track.
When the R.H. spring compresses the toe is correct for the position of the susspension.

crazyhorse

Toe out keeps the steering gear in tension, (theoretically anyways) holding the wheel straight. Whereas toe in keeps it in compression, making it easier to turn. Maybe I'm backwards, but hey after all I'm just a "Hillbilly" LOL
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wagonmaster

Thanks for the input guys! The wheels I will be using are Weld Draglites. 15x7 with 4.5 BS on the front with 15x8 with 4.5 BS on the rear. In the photo on my profile, I have 15x7 '86 Mustang Police Special steel wheels all around. These wheels have about a 5" BS. I have used them with a 1/4" spacer without any problems, but it is very close on the front. I used these same wheels and tires on my '77 for almost a year without any issues. One thing I did notice was the larger tires helped the braking tremendously!! I have test fit the front Welds and it looks like the 4.5 BS is going to be just about right. In the rear, there's plenty of room. As far as the 2" spindles go, the panel currently sits pretty high and I have measured where it would be with a 2" drop with the 205/50-15 tires and initially it looks like it should be okay. I'll find out for sure when I get it assembled with the spindles and see where everything stands. I may have to remove the complete inner large splash shield the later Pintos use and use the smaller ones from the '77 and earlier for more room. As far as the Konis go, Pintony, I have two full sets, fronts and rears, for the wagons. Both sets of rears are NOS along with one of the front sets. The other fronts are low mileage used. I believe a company called Classic Car had Koni make a production run of the fronts a year or two ago, so I don't know if there are any more. I bought one of those sets. It ended up being close to $200 with shipping. The front Addco bar I have is supposed to bolt in place of the factory bar and I was planning on using urethane bushings and end kits from Energy Suspension. We'll see how that works out. If not, I'll stay with the 15/16" Pinto bar. I've seen people use the Mstg II 1" bar, but it's bent slightly different than the Pinto which causes some binding where it connects to the control arm. Part of the reason for the increase in caster is that it helps keep the tires more vertical to the road under hard cornering. The standard setup on the Pinto causes the top of the outside tire to move away from the car under cornering, which is the opposite of what is wanted. With the combination of the latter and body roll, you end up on the outside edge of the tread with very little rubber on the ground giving heavy understeer. Hey Crazyhorse, I thought it was just the opposite on the toe?!? I thought slight toe-in increased stability and toe-out increased turn-in response, but made the car more skittish. Fortunately, I do have a frontend shop that will dial in the frontend to whatever I want. They are also sharp enough that they will give me input if they think I'm going overboard. Anyway, this is all in the planning stages at the moment. I'll be getting after this in about 30-45 days, depending on how quickly I can get the '77 running dependably. After the heart operation, I can't quite put in the hours I once did, so we'll see how it goes. Thanks again, guys, I appreciate it!
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crazyhorse

The 1" bar in front with the 5/8" bar in the rear along with the bushings ought to get some REALLY good results. Throw in the good Koni gas shocks & it oughtta be on rails. I'd think a 1" drop on the suspension would be enough without dragging the floorboards off on speedbumps. As for your alignment specs I'd check the factory stuff & go from there.
More caster makes a car more stable, but numb on center. Less caster makes a car wander a bit on center, but makes turn in a lot sharper. A little negative camber makes a car bite better in the corners as the tire sits sraight up. Toe in sharpens response, toe out makes stability. There's a fine line to be walked between good handling & tire shredding so make sure you go to a shop that can & WILL get your settings dead on.
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Pintony

Hey 79Pannel,
I think the 2" drop spindels are too much drop. Anybody out there tried them?????
The Konis sound great. Good luck finding a set for a wagon.
If you do find them let me know where and how much.
I have Konis on the rear of my Purple Pinto the front ones need NEW bushings pressed in so I have side-lined them with a pair of Monroe Blues.
I have the addco front swaybar on P.P.  Works nice but the mounts are crude by my standards.
Your tire size sounds good! What offset on your rims?
I have 195's on the front of P.P. I wanted 205's But I went conservitive on the front wheels. 15X6. and the 205 was just too fat for the 6" rim.
Then American racing changed from lugs W/washers to acorn style lug-nuts so I would have 2 different kinds of lugs if I swaped to the 7" wheels now.
+ the extra 400.00 i'd have invested in the NEW wheels.
I had thought I would find someone that needed the 6" and had 7" and we could swap.
But that never happened.
Hope that helps.
From Pintony

wagonmaster

Would like to get some input on what any of you may have done to make your Pinto more street worthy as far as handling goes. I have some ideas and some questions. This is what I have planned so far, let me know what you think.

1. Rebuild the complete frontend with new bushings, ball joints, and tie rod ends. Considering using urethane bushings throughout.
2. Use 2" dropped spindles in front and 1-2" spacers in the rear.
3. 1" Addco front swaybar with urethane bar bushings and end link bushings.
4. Mustang II 5/8" rear swaybar with urethane bar bushings and end link bushings.
5. Koni shocks front and rear.
6. 15" wheels with 205/50-15s front and 225/50-15s rear.

I would have the frontend alignment set to 3* +caster, 0-1/4* -camber, 0-1/16" toe-in.

I used to run a '65 Mustang that I had modified the front suspension to Ford's Trans-Am specs with relocated upper control arms, stiffer springs, Koni shocks, 1" Shelby front swaybar, quick steering pittman and idler arms, and set the front end alignment to 3* +caster, 1/2* -camber, and 1/16" toe-in. I used 15x7" steel Boss 302 wheels with F60-15 tires (remember those?!?  ;D). The suspension was firm, to say the least! I had a friend that used to say that this car was the only car he knew where you could drive over a dime and tell whether it was heads or tails!!  ;D Anyway, it handled like it was on rails! Freeway offramps that said to slow to 35, could easily be taken at 65. Lots of fun!! ;D

Now, I don't expect my Panel to handle quite like my Mustang did, but close would be nice!  ;) Anyone have any input or additional thoughts or ideas on what I've said above?!? Let me know. Thanks!!
Brien - wagonmaster
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