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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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I have a local guy that has pretty much everything out of an '83 Turbo T-bird that can be had cheap. How much of it will I be able to use or is the non-intercooled stuff a waste of money?

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Honestly if the longblock is solid I wouldn't bother. you already have the key part in the harness and all the sensor locations are either on the intake manifold, distributor or just on the firewall with one plug for the 02 sensor that is on the turbo.  for what you want to make powerwise just get a cheap p series ecu. buy  a j3 and ill flash the pe bin to it and mail it back if you want.    this will give you big vam, intercooler and big injectors with no wiring modifications. for the most part  rob a 2.3L na mustang for the whole intake as it will have most of the sensors you need, fuel rail all the bits.tb tps iac it is all self contained and there is nothing on the head or block.  Really the 88 will be more pita than help unless you feel confident clipping wires at the ecu plug and back stripping the harness. For what you are thinking on the hard parts side. yup go to town. but if you where gonna big valve the head and spend some real coin just ship it to boport..  doesn't matter how good the local guy is.this is THE place to get a proper 2.3 head.  Turbo sizing is far more important than exhaust port oversizing with regards to lag and spool. To make 300 the factory ihi is a waste of time and money too.   so for the cash you would spend on an 88 you get the ecu and a used big vam with 35# injectors that probably need cleaning anyways.
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Thanks OhSix9, I'm leaning towards picking up a worn out or locked up '87 or '88 TC engine if I can find one because I have no clue about sensor locations. I can use the worn out engine as a base for future upgrades once I get a grip on the basics.

I was thinking of installing larger valves in my head anyhow so the magnafluxing & hardened seats will be part of that. That oval port head of mine looks to have massive intake ports already so I may just clean & smooth them & the chambers up with cartridge rolls. Boost overcomes minor flaws on the intake side anyhow.

The exhaust side looks like it could use some hogging out but I seem to remenber reading somewhere that huge exhaust ports actually slow velocity & increase lag at low RPM's. I know they help on a race engine at higher boost levels but this will be a daily driver which is why I'm trying to keep it simple & set a max goal of 300 HP. If I come in around 250  right outta the box I'll be happy for awhile.
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OhSix9

You really only need a few sensors to make this all work. Note the ECT sensor. there are two available aftermarket. one has a plastic tip covering the sensor and the other is brass...  take the brass only, accept no substitutes. ( 99 percent of the time if your turbo car is running like crap at random this is the culprit)   and it is not a cheap or easy sensor to be replacing. this sensor is located between 2 and 3 on the lower intake and is different from the temp sensor that runs the gauge. Dont bother with the boost control solenoid as it is junk anyways and i will forward you info on making your own manual boost controller that will let you crank er up to where you want if ya like.  there are a few other items you can skip too, like the overboost buzzer and the knock sensor.  (you will be disconnecting it anyways to get more power) you will need a distributor. go reman. it will come with a new tfi and the shaft bushings will be tight.  you will need to adapt the tps from the stock tb to whichever one you go with. also ensure if you buy new they give you a bap sensor not a map sensor.  they appear identical except the bap has a little filter thingy on the port opening where the map has a port to plumb it to the intake.

spend the dime and get the head magnafluxed. early heads (even up to the 86) are notorious for cracking in the chambers between the valves. 87-88 motors have hardened seats and are not nearly as crack prone. if you are doing a motor build anyways go down to the local boneyard and scoop a ranger cam and roller followers. more jam and less chance of scrubbing a lobe (common on non roller flat tappets.)  if it isn't cracked pay the piper and get hardened seats installed. if it is cracked find an 87-88 head. not a service part as they are different and junk.  you ma have to go in for a couple extra bucks to put in dished forged slugs if this is the case. ( or run 100low lead if it is not a daily.)

make sure you get the right pcv valve. available only from ford. all the generic ones listed are wrong and they typically leak under boost. allowing the crankcase to see pressure = bad

Now on the making power front. If you have the bucks send your head to the guys at boport for the baddest porting job on the planet

I'm pretty decent with the eecIV and happy to answer questions or help out.  just post or pm me
read everything you can here  http://www.rothfam.com/svo/index.asp      and check ou t the reference documents link.   he has several evtm (electrical vacum troubleshooting manuals) covering different years and many other goodies once you start to grasp the internal operation of the voodoo box. oldfuelinjection will cover the basics for sure
piecing one together is not always easy....   Good luck.

OhSix'
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Quote from: Mike Modified on December 06, 2012, 08:57:09 AM

Did you find this site?  http://oldfuelinjection.com/  It was originally fordfuelinject ion . com, but Ford objected and the site name was changed. 

Lots of good info there.

Mike

Looks like a lot of info that should help. I really need to learn everything I can.
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Quote from: Pinto5.0 on December 05, 2012, 11:55:22 PM

I've been reading everything I can find lately to educate myself but my EFI knowledge is still limited.

Did you find this site?  http://oldfuelinjection.com/  It was originally fordfuelinjection . com, but Ford objected and the site name was changed. 

Lots of good info there.

Mike

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Quote from: Bigtimmay on December 06, 2012, 01:05:07 AM
there is a difference between that turbo engine and the later ones if it has the original pistonsthey are forged flat tops and arent dished like the later engines and as for the head I cant remeber if they used the special exhaust valves in those heads.

It does have the flat tops in it. The heads are an open chamber & compression is supposed to be 8.9 to 1 from the factory.
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johnbigman2011

I thought that there was a difference, just couldn't remember.

I new that somebody with allot more experience would come through with some clarity.


That's coming from me being a internet readaholic ;D
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Bigtimmay

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on December 06, 2012, 12:11:30 AM
Yeah, the engine came out of a '79 Mustang Pace Car & had a draw through system on it. The engine has the forged pistons & the oil drainback hole for the turbo. The head has the factory turbo cam & it's an oval port. As far as I know the head should be fine.
there is a difference between that turbo engine and the later ones if it has the original pistonsthey are forged flat tops and arent dished like the later engines and as for the head I cant remeber if they used the special exhaust valves in those heads.
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johnbigman2011

Sounds like it will work for sure. Do the LA3 swap, and put all the intake and turbo parts from the 87-88 and make 200 hp easy.
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Pinto5.0

Yeah, the engine came out of a '79 Mustang Pace Car & had a draw through system on it. The engine has the forged pistons & the oil drainback hole for the turbo. The head has the factory turbo cam & it's an oval port. As far as I know the head should be fine.
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johnbigman2011

I think the only weekness would be the 79 turbo engine head (Wasn't that like the first setup from Ford with the 2.3 turbo)?... Most people that I have read about use the later model for the mods your seeking.

Although I'm still way behind you in regards to the knowledge. I just go by what I have read and seen.

If you have the 87-88 TC parts available get them for sure!!!
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Quote from: johnbigman2011 on December 05, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
UMMMM WoW!!! OhSix9

Pinto 5.0 when you get that figured out... Share with me please ;D

I have the 85 TC 5 speed in my 79 wagon.. Bigger plans for it later down the road.

I need to get my AK Miller 2.0  installed on the 23 T. first.

I followed him on most of it. I've been reading everything I can find lately to educate myself but my EFI knowledge is still limited. I'm not ready for laptop tuning & setting up custom maps just yet. At some point I will be but for now I need to keep it fairly simple so I don't abandon the project half way through. After I'm comfortable that my knowledge is significant to dive in deeper I may try a stroker, C4 with trans. brake & stand alone ECU. I'm simply not skilled enough for that kind of build.

What I have in my garage so far is a 20K mile '79 turbo engine, T-5 trans, D5 bellhousing, new Turbo Coupe clutch/flywheel & merkur wire harness.

What I may purchase: I found an LA3 ECU for under 100 bucks. I can get the big VAM from Advance Auto for about 75 bucks with my discount, I'm looking at the Merkur center dump header, ported T-bird intake with turned plenum & 35 pound injectors. I priced out most of the sensors at Advance & that should set me back 300 or so but they will all be new parts. Turbo will depend on how much of my wish list ends up in my garage & the intercooler will be sized for the turbo.

I just need to know this stuff will work together & fire up in my garage without needing a group of experts on call. If that's a pipe dream then I need to know now so I can just locate a worn out 87-88 Turbo Coupe & strip all the stock parts & bolt them all on my engine & wire it in with the Merkur harness to save myself the headaches. 
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johnbigman2011

UMMMM WoW!!! OhSix9

Pinto 5.0 when you get that figured out... Share with me please ;D

I have the 85 TC 5 speed in my 79 wagon.. Bigger plans for it later down the road.

I need to get my AK Miller 2.0  installed on the 23 T. first.
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OhSix9

You are already on the path to going a little further than what the pe can do stock anyways. the repin data that was supplied above is only if you choose to go with an 87/88 L series computer. it gives you a couple extra sensors such as act which gives post IC air temps vs IAT and a faster processor.  the harness you have will be plug and play on any P series computer PE , PK1 etc.    now the good news is that either of these solutions can be custom tuned with a j3 port adapter and a programmer from moates for under 60 bucks. that costs less than what most will charge for a true PE or LA box where they will give away small vam or autobox ecu's for nothing.  take any p series flash it with a pe bin and its big vam, injector and intercooler ready. same with the auto l series. throw on the flash and they are manual LA ecu's  the nice part is you can custom tune ignition maps and fuel delivery for all rpm and conditions. Also the vam really runs out of steam around 325cfm.  using the above solution, a big maf off a 4.6l car with a known curve add some clicks of a mouse you can take the system to mass air ditching the junk vam. run injectors upto 75Lb/hr, play with rev limits  bla bla bla.   what most people fail to realize is tat the eecIV is a brilliant piece of engine control with more power under the hood than most of these aftermarket systems can offer if you take a little while to really grasp what it can do. add some data logging with a wideband and 3 channels and there is nothing any standalone system costing hundreds more could do better. the qaurterhorse mentioned above is an upgrade to the j3 adapter but doesn't datalog well on the p series and does not support wide band o2 anyways so i don't use it.


moates.net makes the most sense. anyway you cut it.  no need to search out specific computers and gain flex all at a cheaper price
For what you are thinking.  knife edge the lower, take the upper and gut n rotate  it or build one custom  starting from a waterjet copy of the upper flange n make the right size for your chosen throttle body. just be sure to pick one with an integrated iac motor. get some 56lb injectors from a cfi HO tbird and bobs yer uncle. proceed to blow on it as hard as you can .
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Quote from: Mike Modified on December 05, 2012, 03:04:27 PM
This should answer your repin questions:

http://rothfam.com/svo/reference/PEtoLA.pdf

Mike

Cool, looks like I'm good according to that chart. I imagine once I start picking up the missing piecrs most of this should fall into place & make more sense.
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Pinto5.0

Do you need to re-pin for the '86 SVO 5-speed ECU? I may be able to lay my hands on one with the large VAM. I also need to get a list of needed sensors so I can start rounding those up. I need to see if I can find a manual for the SVO or T-bird that shows every detail. Trying to do this from scratch is gonna be interesting. At least I have a 20K mile turbo longblock to start with.
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Bigtimmay

Itll support the large vam and any turbo ecu like if you use the LA3 87-88 5 speed ecu you will need to repin the ecu connector cause a couple wires are moved around and a couple wires need added.
I had to repin my merkur harness cause I used a 88 turbo motor and ecu it was pretty simple.
As for How radical will it go thats pretty much up to you cause you can toss a Quarter horse on a stock ecu and tune that way to make the power or yah can just go plug and play squirt and make it a full out race car. Its all pretty much how far yah wanna push it.
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Pinto5.0

I picked up an unmolested Merkur harness for 100 bucks. I was planning to run an aftermarket harness but was told this is pretty much the same thing for a lot less money.



Which computer do I need to run & will it work with the inline manifold, the '87 Tbird style or any I choose? Will it work with the large VAM? How radical of a setup will this harness support?

I was thinking of an inline intake with a log plenum, big VAM, larger throttle body, turbo & injectors & a good size intercooler. I'm looking for 300-325 HP max out of it & I'm not planning to step up to a Megasquirt or stand alone system right off the bat.   
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze