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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

What did you do with/to your Pinto today?

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Pinto5.0

Used the last warm Ohio day to sort out my new parts for Callisto & put them in 3 large boxes. Also stacked my single seat frame on top of my 4 seat rail to clear some floor space. Man was that a mother without help....



All that's left is roll her in & get to it  8)
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

I had almost 6 hours before work today so I got busy.



I saved both quarters with hopes I'll never need them. This one was decent compared to the driver side but will still need work if I ever have need of it.



Going, going......



GONE!!!!  Whew, now I gotta clean this mess so I have room to work.

All the parts I need to use are off to the side & all the extra pieces are in my shed incase they are needed.

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinturbo75

went home at lunch friday and got the wagon out, hosed it down, dried it off and drove back to work...... saturday drove the wagon some more and pulled the 75 trunk out to clean the fuel filter and then put them both back in the shop....it was in the 70s both days.....:D
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

racer99

Pulled the exhaust manifold looking for an exhaust leak.
Found the last guy did not have the manifold to pipe studs
run all the way up.So the ball and socket flange wouldnt
pull up to stop the leak.
So after getting the stud out,it is metric on one end and standard
on the other.
12mm x 1.75 on the manifold end and 7/16 x 14 on the pipe end.
Gotta love Ford.

Its fixed with 2 12mm x 1..75 x 2.5 long bolts.

earthquake

73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

Pinto5.0

Quote from: bbobcat75 on December 02, 2012, 09:14:27 PM
man keith you are not playing around you are working like a mad man on those cars!! i was in ohio last month and it was sooooo cold i didnt even want to go outside!!! take care and talk soon, still want those parts!!

eric

No problem, just let me know. Yeah, I need this car outta my way so I can use my garage again.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

bbobcat75

man keith you are not playing around you are working like a mad man on those cars!! i was in ohio last month and it was sooooo cold i didnt even want to go outside!!! take care and talk soon, still want those parts!!

eric
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

Spent friday tearing the '77 apart. Got the crossmember cut out to install on the '73, saved both inner wheelwells & got the floors out in 2 sections to repair the rusty ones in Callisto.





Another couple days work to finish it off, some garage cleaning to do then Callisto comes inside so I can get busy. I have about 5 months to get her back on the road so I want to get started.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

pintogirl

Quote from: cabecho on November 19, 2012, 06:06:12 PM
they were good but not any more. lol
if you need one i can probably get you one. i have a hard top if you want one.

I would love to have a hard top for "my" Miata, but they are expensive and the shipping would be a killer! LOL

I'll PM you about the soft top.
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

cabecho

they were good but not any more. lol
if you need one i can probably get you one. i have a hard top if you want one.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

pintogirl

Quote from: cabecho on November 18, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
Friday pack everything from the pro-street and all the tools. sat. destroy 2 Mazda miatas, and take the pintos and tools to the new shop. today still moving things from one shop to another. i hate moving the shop.

If either of those 2 Mazda Miatas have good tops, I'll take one! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Pinto5.0

I spent about 14 hours over the last week stripping the '77 parts car. I'm re-using nearly the entire car to assemble my other 3 so I'm saving every nut & bolt. This is gonna take awhile.....
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

cabecho

Friday pack everything from the pro-street and all the tools. sat. destroy 2 Mazda miatas, and take the pintos and tools to the new shop. today still moving things from one shop to another. i hate moving the shop.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

Pinto5.0

Quote from: pintogirl on November 12, 2012, 06:58:18 PM
Well I know that both upper and lower hose get warm. So I am guessing it is flowing right? I will check the door. I'm pretty sure it is closing all the way, but I will make sure.

The hoses will still be warm with air trapped in the core. This issue has driven me nuts on my ex-wifes '02 Villager. I finally put a flush/fill connector in the heater hose & I fill it with a squirt bottle to get the heat working.

My guess is the door is hanging open a little though.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

pintogirl

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on November 12, 2012, 06:11:35 PM

2 things to check. First make sure the water flows from the engine to the bottom heater core tube then exits the upper. This keeps the core full & removes trapped air. Then make sure the air door that the cable moves from cold to hot is actually moving fully to the hot position. If it's part way open it allows cool air from the cowl into the heater.

Well I know that both upper and lower hose get warm. So I am guessing it is flowing right? I will check the door. I'm pretty sure it is closing all the way, but I will make sure.

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Pinto5.0

Quote from: pintogirl on November 12, 2012, 02:08:42 PM
Drove mine to work last night. Was the first time being able to use the heater since I put the heater core in over the weekend.

Question, how hot does a Pinto get when it comes to using the heater?? It took mine about 10 miles (half way to work one city streets, 50mph avg.) to even feel somewhat warm. I would say it only got to about luke warm the whole time. On the way home it seemed to blow warm air faster ( only had  4 hours between parking and going home) but again, it never got over luke warm.

I'm thinking maybe it is missing it's thermostat. Causing it to not really get warm in the time it is running. Takes me roughly 30 mins give or take to get back and forth to work. Hate to say it, my VW bus warms up and blows hotter then my Pinto! LOL

2 things to check. First make sure the water flows from the engine to the bottom heater core tube then exits the upper. This keeps the core full & removes trapped air. Then make sure the air door that the cable moves from cold to hot is actually moving fully to the hot position. If it's part way open it allows cool air from the cowl into the heater.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

DreamBean

SAT:Well, I drove the turbo 80 to the parts store to get a new fuel filter for the 76. Then I removed the broken fuel filter  from the carburater of the 76.(Don't Ask)
Today: 76 run like Crap, Cannot get it to stay running.( Drove it around 50 miles to and from work this way) Boy oh Boy was that fun.
Tues: Will be driving the 80 turbo back and forth to work till Saturday.
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

75bobcatv6

We removed the seats/ carpet / and am disassembling the dash. cleaning the floors and doing rust repair.

pintogirl

Drove mine to work last night. Was the first time being able to use the heater since I put the heater core in over the weekend.

Question, how hot does a Pinto get when it comes to using the heater?? It took mine about 10 miles (half way to work one city streets, 50mph avg.) to even feel somewhat warm. I would say it only got to about luke warm the whole time. On the way home it seemed to blow warm air faster ( only had  4 hours between parking and going home) but again, it never got over luke warm.

I'm thinking maybe it is missing it's thermostat. Causing it to not really get warm in the time it is running. Takes me roughly 30 mins give or take to get back and forth to work. Hate to say it, my VW bus warms up and blows hotter then my Pinto! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

74pintoguy

I got mine ready for the trip to DE to the new owner...hate to sell it, but hate letting it sit, too.

Pinto1600

Put both cars up their skates,pulled the batteries ,topped off the tanks,and covered them up. Good night until late Aptil 2013.
Happiness is..Driving a classic Pinto

racer99

Sat in the wagon Sat. and made motor noises as it is
awaiting more parts for the turbo motor.

Pinto5.0

Thursday & friday I sorted parts & filled Callisto with all her goodies & the '74 wagon body that Pinturbo75 brought me last week with everything else Pinto to clear my garage. Now I can strip the '77 parts car & '87 Mustang parts car indoors this winter. When those are chopped & scrapped I can pull Callisto inside & get some more work done.

Today I ran around in the '76 wagon a bit before taking it to work. There it will sit for a month untill my semi needs serviced.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

cutelitlputtputt

Quote from: blupinto on November 11, 2012, 03:28:46 PM
JENNIFER!!! PUT SOME FLUID IN THERE FOR THE LOVE OF DOG!!! NO WONDER SHE"S MAKING NOISES!!! YOU'LL MESS UP THE TRANNY!!!


Becky, you crack me up!  I actually read dog as God!

But the Pumpkin and owner look like rubes when there are leaks under it!  Of course, now she sounds like a hillbilly rube car!

I suppose I could put some in, but it will come right out!

:P
Anything to keep her runnin'!

bigfoot

Looked at the snow outside and then went in the garage and rolled up the driver's side window. There is always next year.
1976 runabout
1978 turbo
2000 electra-glide

blupinto

JENNIFER!!! PUT SOME FLUID IN THERE FOR THE LOVE OF DOG!!! NO WONDER SHE"S MAKING NOISES!!! YOU'LL MESS UP THE TRANNY!!!

Today I pulled out the instrument cluster of Moxie Blu (pictures later) and attempted to clean out her cowl (not very successful) but STILL NO KEYS!!!

Alas, I have to go up to Dad's place, so I can't do much more for now.
One can never have too many Pintos!

cabecho

 :oHolly cow. I have to side draft and I'm always complaining when I go to the track or even start the car. I can't complain any more.  :-X
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

Fred Morgan

I did have a tunnel haul race boat. Talking about tuning it had 9 carbs. !   Fred 
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cabecho

Yesterday started one of them up and move it out side the house , made a few laps around the block before parking it, so That his other brother it can start been taking the motor apart and getting it ready for the stampede.
I spend like 2 hours tuneing it because Is running really bad. I hate that the webers got to be tune every time you want to drive it.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

cutelitlputtputt

Becky, you're gonna die...I mean die!!!  I mean die because you understand cars more than I do.....

no, I have not fixed the transmission.  No money.  I just don't put any more fluid in it because it leaks as fast as I put it in!!  I mean, you know, it messes up parking lots and people's driveways and stuff. That is not cool.

She is making some weird noises down there now!!!!

I have been driving around a long time like this......Beck y, I was going to get it fixed but then situation at work changed.  That was my next thing I was going to have fixed, even before the leaky waterheater at my home!


Anything to keep her runnin'!