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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

72 V8 project - STARTER questions

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RSM

The 289 and the 302 balance differently. Just make sure you have the correct balancer/flywheel combination. I ran into this when I had my Foxbody. I blew the 302 and built a 347 which balances like a 289 since they use a 289 crank. I couldn't use the 302 balancer. And I think the 289 used a 3 bolt belt pulley and the 302 used a 4 bolt...it's been a few years and i don't remember exactly. My point is if you use the wrong balancer/flywheel combo you wind up with a bad vibration. I worked on a Chevy Suburban many years ago where a guy had used a 400 flywheel on a 350. Had a terrible vibration. Took a couple of us a while before we had realized what the guy had done. We knocked the weights off of the flex plate...vibration gone. The 350 balances internally and the 400 balanced externally.

Fehrion_sit

since were talking about starters and fly wheels, if i have a 289 (1967) and am bolting a t-5 to it, would i use the mustang two flywheel, starter clutch ect ?

bigbill

I think you did not understand what I meant so let me make it easier to understand I used a 5.0 mustang flywheel, starter, and bellhousing on my pinto wagon and it works perfectly. If you use the little bitty flywheel from a V-8 Mustang II then you MUST use the starter and bellhousing for a Mustang II or the teeth on the starter will NEVER NEVER mesh with the teeth on the flywheel. It simply can't work any other way.  BIG BILL

vonkysmeed

Quote from: bigbill on December 08, 2010, 09:37:23 AM
The flywheel and starter MUST both be for a Mustang 2. In fact the transmission, flywheel, starter, and even the oilpan are made for each other and only found in a mustang 2 None will work without the other.   BIG BILL


Not true, I am using a flywheel, trans and starter from an 82 mustang GT with no issues other than pulling the motor mount to change it out






73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

stormy69

later 5.0's (1990 iirc) have factory mini starts and dont have the large offset of the csr, they arent as pretty either lol. they are light and cheap...

Pinstang74

You may want to check out a new Ford Motor Sports Catalog. The 302s need a specific flywheel as to year ( weight and balance). The diameter will also give you the correct teeth. You should also check out if you need any shimms in the form of a thin metal spacer between the starter and the bell housing. Sometime this will make the difference between a grinding or smooth like new starting sound !!!

guitarguy

Well, I can tell you I run a stock hood so it must be sitting low, and 2" forward wouldn't surprise me. The CSR is out and the engine is back down, not really inclined to get under there again with a starter that hits the crossmember. Lemme see about some pics of the area. Another question mark is - are the teeth different on a "manual" starter vs. an "automatic" one? Why was the starter that was in there only engaging the edges of the teeth? Previous owner drove it daily for 3 years with the starter sounding fine. It went out, it was replaced under warranty by the same part number, and that's the gnashing sounding one that went out on me weeks later.

I know my trans, flywheel, bellhousing etc. are Mustang II, and that in order to use a stock Mustang II starter (bigger diameter than the "84 Mustang" starters that've been in it) you have to pull the engine to get it in. Not going there. :)

ALL of the help is appreciated... I'm just kinda frustrated and the car's down 'til I figure this out. I wanna drive the little bean!

71hotrodpinto

Hey Guitar Guy, could you possibly take some pictures of the starter area with the CSR in it and showing the hitting area? I know its a pain cause of flash and being so low etc. Im just real curious how your setup is,  well , "setup"!
My engine placement is not changed more than 3/8"backward in the for and aft with a stock placed fire wall. Its just down a bit and actually closer to the crossmember. So if  I had a stock starter id have to cut a dip in the crossmember to get it to clear.
Im not questioning you, im just stumped why it doesn't fit for you. Maybe your engine is really low? I don't know. I wish i could go and check it out and see  and help you.




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Mil

71pintoracer

This is a puzzle to be sure! But if your firewall has not been modified, I'd wager you may be 2" forward. I have a t-5 in mine and I used the stock Pinto starter.
I have subframe connectors and traction masters, I've run a best of 12.07 on street tires, taking off in second gear and speed shifting at 6800 RPM.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

guitarguy

Ehh, I'll do OK on the CSR. I just want to drive my car, you know? I guess it's one of the mysteries of the world and a total crapshoot as to whether the starter you get will fit or engage the teeth properly and not sound like gnashing teeth. Even though a bunch of factory parts are used, these are still hot rods where big stuff gets shoehorned in where it wasn't designed to go by guys with welders and their own ideas. Mine is a 72 with a stock firewall so I'm betting my engine's sitting an inch farther forward at least. The CSR looks like the one pictures; it's an inch longer than the starter I took off.

Have you run yours in the quarter? What do you have for subframe connectors & traction bars?

High Horse thank you for that ~ definitely procedure worth considering.

71hotrodpinto

Aww Crap that i doenst fit. Id say that i cant see how it wouldnt but nevertheless you tried and it wont. Do you happent to have a picture of the starter you bought?
They can be indexed 180, but if the solenoid is on top then, thats how mine is and im stumped. SIGH! I feel bad. I have Mustang II headers, the engine is lower by at least an inch, and my CSR starter clears by "miles" everywhere. Like it was almost made to clear the cross-member.
On the other hand maybe you have the " CSR Mini Starter"? That starter i can see not fitting.
Well i hope you can put that back up on eBay and get your money back.
Robert







95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

guitarguy

UPDATE: Starter went out. Just made the whirring, not engaging. Removed pass. mount & jacked up engine, removed starter. Teeth on flywheel from what I can see are there and decent, a little chewed on the very fronts. That's probably what I was hearing.

Scored the cheap CSR ebay deal starter, put it on, and no matter what I do it's an inch too long . I can't see any room under there to rotate it. If I let the engine back down the end of the starter won't clear the crossmember. I'm running manifolds and space is tight, and this space issue with the CSR may be just my particular car's conversion.

Been reading up on "Mustang II specific" parts, 141 tooth flywheels, manual and auto starters, etc etc and I'm more confused now than ever. The starter that came off is for an 84 Mustang and it looks like it was only engaging the edge. But it fit. Is there a later smaller one?

Can someone give me a part number of a Ford 302 Automatic starter to ask for? I trust YOU guys more than parts counter people and / or their computer lists. I can't afford $400 starters, I just want one that fits and doesn't sound like a garbage disposal chewing on a saw blade. :)

Thanks!

BTW CSR is a great company for tech support, the guy on the phone really knew his starters!

bigbill

I think I was not clear enough in my earlier post. If you use a MM2 flywheel you will find that it is MUCH smaller in diameter than all of the other 302 flywheels and on a MM2 the oil pan had to have place made in the side for the starter to tuck into. Therefore, if you try to use a normal size bellhousing and a small flywheel the starter drive teeth and the flywheel teeth WILL NOT mesh properly and it makes that awful grinding sound.    BIG BILL

High_Horse

Even though this thread has been up for awhile I am going to slip in my 50 cents about Ford starters. Here goes....When I was young I bought cheap starters as I grew older and more experienced I bought the max. Warranty re manufactured starters. If the starter is not assembled correctly it is going to be a pain in the butt rattletrap. Point 1...If the Bendix is not all the way out when power contact is made then the pinion  is going to RIP butt on the flywheel. Point 2...If the pivot fork is not pushed together adequately into the Bendix/pinion assembly thrust way then there is a sloppy rattle action and if it pops out then the starter will want to keep cranking the engine. Point 3...If the front and rear bearings do not have adequate lube then the stator will want to do a whirlpool kind of a resonant viberation conniption that makes the whole starter action wanna splode. Point 4...If the end play is to much then when the Bendix is shooting out the armature is shooting in and there is a clunk that does not help.
So I, DO NOT just pull a starter from the box and stick it in the car unless I know exactly what is in it and how that starter was assembled. Here it is in a brief.......Pull starter apart,noting exactly how it came apart...add lube to brush end bearing and put plate on squashing out excess...wipe away excess check end play washer is present...add grease to other end bearing, excess is OK...lube helical flutes under Bendix,excess won't matter,work that puppy a bit to make sure good and slippy...Close that pivot fork up to to have a nice fit in that thrust disk...Check for excess slop in the pivot fork pivot pin,lube that to. Assemble noting that the pivot fork is a little bit harder to put together then it was to take apart....Work the electro magnetic contact trigger core and see where it makes the starter contact when all the way pusshed in. It should not make the contact till the pinion is pushed to 3/4 all the way out at least... Put core cover and brush cover back on with gaskets properly positioned,making a good gasket if need be to keep water and moisture out. This practice by me, alone, has saved numerous bs starter problems over the years. This opinion was meant for stock starters and not hp aftermarket (csr).
If this note helps just one person then I am happy. Who is the boss, us or the starters.

                                                                                                                                         High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

71hotrodpinto

Hey there, any ford 302 starter Auto Should work. I used a HP after-market CSR starter with my mustang II bell, converter, and flexplate. It fits great and is powerfull.  Best of all there are replacement parts for it should anything go wrong. Seeing how they are designed for High Compression Race engines, its kind of overkill for my mild 8.5to1 302. However I like overkill  :lol:  . I also like the design because this one puts the body of the starter up over the cross member. I needed it because i lowered the steering rack and the engine 1.5"
So the stock starter and even the mini would have come close or even hit.

Anyways I would check the flexplate to see if the teeth are chewed up. A new starter isnt going to fix the grinding sound if the teeth are screwed!
GL
http://www.csr-performance.com/shop/product.da/csr105p-ford-small-block-platinum-series-starter
Yes they are hellish expensive considering the car but like i said i like overkill. LOL


Heres a new used one on ebay for reasonable cost. (no its not mine i live in calif ! LOL)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CSI-Ford-Hi-Torque-Starter-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cb353bb1cQQitemZ260706646812QQptZRaceQ5fCarQ5fParts#ht_500wt_1182








95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

bigbill

The flywheel and starter MUST both be for a Mustang 2. In fact the transmission, flywheel, starter, and even the oilpan are made for each other and only found in a mustang 2 None will work without the other.   BIG BILL







STREETREBEL


guitarguy

Hi all, just scored a 72 driver with a 302/C4/8"... the starter sounds horrible, a gnashing wiwiwiwi and sometimes when hot it sounds like a run down battery... slow turning. It was recently (last week) replaced by the previous owner. Here's what I know: engine is a 72, flywheel is a Mustang II. Starter is smaller than a 72 starter, he said it's like an 84 would be. I've been a Mopar guy, used to weird sounding starters but this can't be normal and I don't know the ins & outs of Ford swapping yet. Any help, links, thoughts greatly appreciated. A V8 Pinto was on my bucket list, and now one sits in my driveway.  :lol: ~Scott