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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

What V6 can I install

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Reeves1

pintoval - was just in touch with a fellow here in Alberta that has a 2007 FX 4x4 Ranger roll over.
He is getting back to me with more info, pictures etc.
Would be a cool swap over drive line into a Pinto.
They may even make chips for the 4L motor ?
Diff will be a locker with 4:88s. No big deal, as it has the OD trans.

Reeves1

Quote from: pintovol on December 23, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
What V6 can i swap in place of the 2.3 4 banger with a c3 auto

will a 3.0 go and fit?

If I were to do something like that, I'd put the 4LT from a newer Ranger in. Complete with auto trans (with OD) & the locker 4:88 diff.

sedandelivery

Im December's Hemmings Motor News on page 78 a guy put a 2009 Mustang V-6 into a 1972 Capri. The Capri in '72 used a 2 liter and a 2.6 liter engine identical to the Pinto. I guess it can be done.

Pinturbo75

speaking of green...... my runs on e85.... it runs on megasquirt which, with a few changes and some tuning ,can operate a flexfuel sensor from the later fords..... i plan on doing this soon.... i have lots of e85 around my home but on the road trips it can be hard to find.... i might even put the flexfuel emblem on the car then..:D
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Starliner

Direct injection is good!   That is one of the features to get good mileage along with the power.
I also plan to make the car "green".   So I will need many things from the donor 2011-2012 Mustang or F-150. 
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Bigtimmay

You do know the ecoboost engines are direct injected right? You would be better off using the stang engine thats not direct injected and just swap in forged pistons and turbo it it would be easier and cost ALOT less.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Pinturbo75

please send me a link to the build once you get it going..... id love to see the progression start to finish.....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Starliner

Fair enough, good volley!  You have made some tremendous accomplishments with that combination. 
I don't think my car will get into the 11's since I want it to be a canyon carver and occasional trackday car.    Off the line traction and gearing may not be optimal for drag racing.   

I picked the 2012 Mustang V6 because they are installed in all the standard "secretary" Mustangs.  There will be many low mileage drivetrains in salvage yards everywhere.    I should be able to get 20,000 mile or less complete engine, transmission, rear end,brakes,  and related components for $4000-$6000.   
A heavy 2011-2012 Mustang gets 30-34 miles per gallon even with 305 horsepower.  So I should get 40 miles per gallon in my light car.  I plan to take many road trips.   The engine is light and having a block length of 3 cylinders will allow the engine to be set back for handling.   That is why I ruled out a V8.    I could get more power with the EcoBoost version.  I still need to evaluate all the extra weight related with the turbo charger and intercooler EcoBoost version.   Handling is the primary goal.     
 
I spent a lot of time researching what engine I wanted for the Volvo.  I had originally considered the 2300 turbo-4.  I lurked related forums and seen nothing but problems, especially head gaskets.     Maybe it was because most were on a shoe string budget.   I even considered a Cosworth 2000 YB turbo from England.

In 2012 I need to pay for my daughters wedding and wrench on wifey's 79 Pinto.  She wants it reliable for road trips.  I am pulling the motor now to reseal it and other upgrades.   But I stopped because now it is cold. (Michigan)  I hate wrenching in the cold unless I have too.  So wifey's car will be a summer project.   
I also will sell my 73 Pinto 1600 late in 2012 and replace it with an 87 Audi 5000 Quattro I have in presently in storage.  So more wrenching.    I may drive the Volvo in stock condition until 2013 or 2014 while hunting for a low mileage drivetrain.    I already bought a modified Mustaang II style front end for the Volvo. 
Picture of the front end:
     
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Pinturbo75

 because on street tires,,, not drag radials,,, mine runs better than 11.40s 1/4 and has been on numerous road trips.... can cruise all day at 75 to 80 mph if desired.... its over 400 whp on less than 20 lbs of boost, gets good gas mileage and weighs about 2500 lbs....youre off a little on the hp reliability issue..... stock shortblock is good to just above 400 hp without any mods.....after that better rods are the only real requirement... .my old engine with 185000 miles was 385 whp... that was a junkyard 150 dollar engine....unde r 400 hp its hard to kill one of these if you have a proper tune..

i absolutely love the volvo...thats gonna be a sweet ride.....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Starliner

Quotereally???? wanna put some coin behind that statement????
In my best Mr T voice "bring it on fooo"   ;D
If  I finish the 3.7 V6 transplant into my Volvo 1800ES as planned in 2013 I will take you up on that.
I will put it in this car.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/29396384@N05/4779602296/in/photostream
The Volvo weighs 2450 pounds with the heavy 2000 liter cast iron engine.
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A stock 2300 turbo-4 puts out 145-190 horsepower depending on the year & model it came from.  (Merkur, Mustang SVO, T-Bird)
The stock 3.7 V6 non turbo is 305 horsepower. (Mustang) Stock Ecoboost is 365 horsepower (Truck)
A highly modified 2300 can run approximately 250-300 unreliable horsepower. 
A chipped stock EcoBoost V6 runs 410 horsepower.   
A 2300 has two valves per cylinder with single overhead cam. 
A 3.7 has 4 valves per cylinder with two dual pattern cams for free revving.  (see picture)
The 2300 is heavier than the 3.7 V6.
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So as a friendly volley, please explain why you would think a turbo 2300-4 has a chance? 

1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Pinturbo75

Quote from: Starliner on December 23, 2011, 04:38:11 PM
It would kill any turbo-4 Pinto,

really???? wanna put some coin behind that statement????
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

pintovol

I didnt see where to loosen distributor to adjust timing

I am use to a 302 just loosen the bolt

Starliner

Here is what I would start with....
1.  Does the car idle smooth?  If so move on to the next item.  If not, you will need to dig into the tun-up it just had.
2.  Pull the distributor rotor, put two drops of oil into the distributor rotor post.  This will lubricate the mechanical distributor advance.  Are the cap and rotor like new?  If not, replace.   
3.  What fuel octane level are you using today?  87?  89? 91?  93?    Run your tank down to a 1/4 full or less before moving to item 4.
4.  I would then check your timing and note where it is at this time for future reference.   Now advance your timing a little at a time.  (the correct direction will cause the idle speed to increase)  Go for a ride and listen for spark knocking under load with a fully warmed up engine.  Keep adding timing until you hear light spark knocking when accelerating or pulling a grade.    Now top off your gas tank with the next higher octane fuel.
5.  Go fo a ride of more than 5 miles to get the higher octane fuel into the carburetor.  How does it run now?  It should be running stronger and have no spark knocking.   
6.  If better, the cost of the higher octane fuel is probably offset by better mileage.   If not better, report back with how it drives.
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

pintovol

Quote from: RSM on December 24, 2011, 01:28:44 PM
If you don't have emission laws to deal with where you live you could do yourself a big favor by removing all of it. Like Starliner said...sounds like some tuning may be in order. Take a look at the plugs. Those things are a wealth of info on whats going on.

Remove it? what about with the belt off

tuning the carb, how so? what adjustment are on it to tune? its a Holley

RSM

If you don't have emission laws to deal with where you live you could do yourself a big favor by removing all of it. Like Starliner said...sounds like some tuning may be in order. Take a look at the plugs. Those things are a wealth of info on whats going on.

pintovol

Quote from: RSM on December 24, 2011, 12:21:50 AM
Did you do anything with the carb? Sounds like you might have a few issues with it.

The guy I got it from had the carb rebuilt by a shop (have receipt) 150.00 to rebuild , full tune up new fuel pump and filters. Just 3 weeks ago


I cant take it back to that shop because its 400 miles away


carb enrichment, timing, and de-smogging?????...be more detail!

I did notice the A.I.R. pump belt was off

Starliner

Pintovol,
It seems that you are not looking to build a performance car, just looking for good driveability.
I would spend more time tuning and perhaps de-smogging if you can. 
Wifey's 79 2.3 with the C3 runs real nice since I spent some time on carb enrichment, timing, and de-smogging.
It even gets better mileage now.  (now if I can fix all the oil leaks this spring!) 

Regarding the V6, V8, or turbo4 swap comments.. I guess he would first need to define the end result he would want to achieve. 
Do you want it to just be a straight line 1/4 mile machine and not consider vehicle dynamics?  Do you want a total performance vehicle that takes into account handling and braking?  Are you looking at a budget install?  Are you looking at a cruiser?         

1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

RSM

Did you do anything with the carb? Sounds like you might have a few issues with it.

JohnW

No, an inline 6 is not going to fit in the bay.  Look at how much room your 4 takes up, and add 50% to the length.  Not happening.
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pintovol

Quote from: Bigtimmay on December 23, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
Anything can go in if you got the skills. I just wanna know why you would wanna replace the 2.3 with a 6?

the pinto I have just has 30k on it..sat since 1992...I cleaned gas tank replaced fuel filters and rebuilt carb and new fuel pump full tune up etc

I runs good slow and when u floor it and cursing at 55 60 etc

But 15 to 45 give it some gas(not floored) it bogs down somewhat no power let up a tad off gas and it picks up a bit better.

but if u floor it it goes great and cruse good, just from like 15 to 45 it feels like it has no power


WILL A 250 inline six work ..i can get one with 40k on it

bbobcat75

find a 2.8 from a mustang ii or other pinto, was a stock motor in them, so mounts and fitting it in will be easy, and parts are still able to be found at a cheap price, not much for performance parts though!!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

RSM

Build a killer 2.3 with a turbo...way less headaches, time and money.

Bigtimmay

Quote from: johnbigman2011 on December 23, 2011, 05:21:34 PM
I bet that would be one heck of an install. Just what would you do with all of the junk that comes on the new cars now a days? Or can you take most of that stuff off, being that it's going in a late model?

Depends on how integrated the wiring is and all the components. I dunno about you but that swap sounds horrible to me.
Yeah its a light engine but they are huge they are as wide or wider then a 351w which is a job just to put in a pinto by itself. Then theres the problem if you can even get a front sump pan for it otherwise that's gonna end up being custom along with mounting it. Then you get to custom wiring,Headers and all the little things most people don't think about.
In the end the overall cost is going to be pricey even if you get the engine cheap.Not to mention you better have the fab skills or someone with the skills to fab at your disposal.Other wise or gonna get reamed on shop hours to have someone else do it all for you.

That being said if your just wanting a halfway easy V6 swap look into a stock pinto 2.8 carbed motor so no extra wiring, motor mounts and trans are already at your disposal from other pintos from what I can tell you could prolly even use a 2.9 out of a ranger.

It all just depends on how much Work/Money your wanting to throw at it.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

johnbigman2011

I bet that would be one heck of an install. Just what would you do with all of the junk that comes on the new cars now a days? Or can you take most of that stuff off, being that it's going in a late model?
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Starliner

I would suggest a 2011-2012 Mustang 3.7 V6.    You can get a low mileage drivetrain at all the salvage yards now.
This engine is 305 horsepower in stock form and lightweight aluminum.  The engine is lighter than your cast iron four cylinder. 
It would kill any turbo-4 Pinto, run with a V8 Pinto, better weight distribution for handling & traction while it can probably get 40 miles per gallon.   The heavy late model Mustang gets 34 miles per gallon.     
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Bigtimmay

Anything can go in if you got the skills. I just wanna know why you would wanna replace the 2.3 with a 6?
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

pintovol

What V6 can i swap in place of the 2.3 4 banger with a c3 auto

will a 3.0 go and fit?