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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Stuwil

Bruce
no hurry here, i've got lots to do. just found a rust spot behind the rear seat that needs work.
Please call and I'll give all my info. I don't expect this free.  Your offer is ver generous
Thanks
Stu

dave1987

Not saying that that nothing should be posted again, and didn't mean to get under your skin. Perhaps I could be mistaken or perhaps I have some odd ball trim. Please don't take it the wrong way.

lol, good point. I suppose 7/16 inch is quite large huh? should be 3/16th.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

289Wagon

 Dave1987-
I'm sorry, I guess all the info I got from the FORD parts book were not correct.  And I will never post anything on here again.
BTW can you show me any emblem with a 7/16 inch PIN.
Rich
Still living the dream...In a points & condenser world.

baflinn

Quote from: Stuwil on August 16, 2011, 10:33:38 AM
Bruce
the wagon requires 76 total. I want them all if you're willing to let'em go. I need, also, the one small piece of trim that bolts to the front fender. Would you have that too? Please call me
760
9470650
thanks Stu

Stu - I'll call you after Noon EST today to get your address. I can throw these into a mail pack and send them to you no charge. If you can wait I'll pull the rest off my 78 wagon this week and have more for you by next Monday. Something to think about. Talk later. - BruceF
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dave1987

The "Pinto" emblems use 1/8" side clips, I think the other size is 7/16"

Rich, which ones are you speaking of for the lower corners of the windshield? All the Pintos I have stripped parts from (including windshield bright work) have the lower corner "clips" molded to the trim, and screw into the A pillars using a sheet metal screw.

Then, on the 71-mid of 78 Pintos, there are the hold down tabs which go along the base of the windshield gasket from the outside, about 1.5" in length and .5 inches in width. There are five along the base of the windshield and screw into the cowl with small .5" sheet metal screws. I have not had any luck finding these tabs, but they are reusable and don't wear, bend or break. Just don't loose them! :)

The clips that hold the brightwork AROUND the windshield are metal and square. They clip onto the studs around the windshield frame and capture the outside edge of the underside of the windshield bright work. There are available from just about EVERY automotive fastener and clip supplier as they were used on dozens of Fords through the 80s.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

289Wagon

 These are the numbers I have for the barrel nut/clip/cup etc. A lot of terms used for them.
Small = 378362-S
Medium = 375890-S
Large = 375480-S
I believe you will only need the sm.& the lg. I needed the med. for the 289V-8 emblem I'll be using. You may want to measure your pin dia.(s)
Scott Drake & Mac's has ( or did have) all the sizes. Also a lot of the Mustang sites have some of them, since they are pretty much universal.
I have #s for the other clips also. If you want them PM or E me. The ones for the windshield lower corners are hard to find.
Rich
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dave1987

wesales has discontinued the 2110 clip and has no crossover part. :( The search continues....

UPDATE: The autobody shop that I purchased the barrell clips from tracked down a box of 100 for me! It's coming from California, $10.71 for the box and then the cost of freight. We'll see!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Stuwil

Bruce
the wagon requires 76 total. I want them all if you're willing to let'em go. I need, also, the one small piece of trim that bolts to the front fender. Would you have that too? Please call me
760
9470650
thanks Stu

dave1987

I think I may have found a source!

I purchased some barrel clips (this company calls them tubular clips) from a local auto body shop a couple months ago. I found the packaging and it is called a "wee pak", basically a small quantity of an item they sell to consumers. Well I looked up "wee pak" online and found their website:

http://www.wesales.com/

Page 14, Part Number 2110 on the right side of the page.

I will be stopping by the same body shop to see if they have any in stock, if so, we're in luck! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

carbomb

took all the moldings off my squire wagon and i think i only broke one or 2 clips on the whole thing. not putting any moldings back on so if you cant find any new ones mine are still pretty good shape i took them off with a dolly so they arnt brittle by any means

baflinn

Quote from: Stuwil on August 15, 2011, 09:19:56 AM
very interested
I found that mine were so brittle they would crumble with just the slightest touch
Price?
thanks Stu

Stu, you can have them for my cost to ship - how many do you need?

- BruceF
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dave1987

Those would be the ones we are looking for. I had three dozen of them from cars I pulled apart at the junk yard the past couple years, but even they are sun baked enough that they crack and split when installed. I wish I could find a supplier of new repro clips.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Stuwil

very interested
I found that mine were so brittle they would crumble with just the slightest touch
Price?
thanks Stu


Stuwil

thank you very much
I'm still in need

baflinn

I have all the clips I pulled from 2 wagons a 78 & 79 - will take some pics tonight and post a link for your referrence. - BruceF
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dave1987

Just an update on this, I found this thread via  :search: .

I ordered a packet of the AV11288 clips and they are not correct for wagon window molding along the side. They are actually more narrow than the original clips. I pulled off my trim hoping to use them today and it turned out negative! There were enough clips still intact on the car to reuse and hold the trim on with, just not completely!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Stuwil

up date
You guys are great and soooo helpful. I did contact Cliphouse, by phone, the lady I talked with was extremely nice, considerate. She tried to help but with out PN#'s there is little she could do. I'll be sending her samples. I need clips for all pieces of trim, windshield, side trim, door window riviets.   Everything. Today I get to paint. The car is nearly stripped----dash, motor, windshield, doors--yikes, this has turned into a major learning experience.
thanks for the suggestions

Lost Coz

Fred,
You are a Pinto part's Guru if there ever was one. Here is a link to the clip's I think he needs.

http://cliphouse.com/av11288.aspx

That site sure would have come in handy when I did the paint on the 73 wagon, as I removed all the dull molding and replaced it with some nice polished pieces I bought. I ended up fabricating clips from metal that worked with the molding, but the pieces in the link above would have made things a lot easier. 

Beer's to you Fred!

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Fred Morgan

Go to cliphouse.com front page go down left side until you see molding hardware there will be 5 pages with picture's and sizes.  Fred   :)
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sedandelivery

I got the "push nuts" to put the emblems back on my car as they were broken when the previous owner put lettering on it to advertise his business. Anyway, I got them from EBAY. They have a lot of generic trim fasteners just measure the size you need and you might find it.

flash041

Post some pics and measurements of the clips you need.Ill look in some older body hardware books that I have.
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Stuwil

Thanks for your time and effort and suggestion. The trim clips were so crystalized and
rusted they just crumbled. I'll keep looking

dga57

Hi Stu!

I just spent some time going through that online parts manual to see what I could find that would help you.  Unfortunately, I didn't see any part numbers for the trim clips, themselves.  All the mouldings are listed with the notation: All Mouldings Include Attaching Parts, which was probably designed to make it unneccessary to ever buy the clips separately.  At any rate, this is probably not an insurmountable problem.  The body shop who did the paint work on my '79 Lincoln Continental ran into a similar problem.  They ultimately got it all back together using Chrysler clips.  I would consult a reputable body shop - they should be able to match up something that will work on your wagon.  If they can't, then try a restoration specialist (White Post Restorations in White Post, VA is the only one I'm familiar with).  They won't be cheap, but they'll come up with something.  Best of luck!

Dwayne :smile:
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Stuwil

Maybe this was a huge mistake but now I'm in it and need help. I've pulled all the trim off the 73 wagon for painting. Most of the trim clips were broken or I finished 'em off during the removal process. Regardless, I can't find the part numbers, or the parts. For some reason I can't make the on-line parts manual open. Scott says it works but not for me. Can someone provide the #'s----please
Thanks
Stu