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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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289pinto

1978 Pinto wagon, 289, 8" rear, 17" cobra R rims

Stuwil

Let me add
Wheelie bars
and way cool
nice work

460 Pinto

some pics of papa smurf on all fours :D







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Quote from: Pinto Pro on May 19, 2011, 12:24:32 AM
www.460Ford.com

just now got confirmation of my acct on their website.. thanks though
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oh and also tore the motor down today, found out the cam specs.

.554 lift
.292 duration
109 LSA

its gonna be a little choppy one lol

also the motor was remarkably clean so I cleaned some dirt and debris out and am now waiting on the gasket set.
here are some pics.









and one more question, are those factory cast flat tops, or what and what volume displacement are they?
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460 Pinto

holy crap I am extremely ahead of schedule!
Ill let you see for youself










I was going to cut more of the inside of the door jams, glad i didn't, I had to do some cutting but it slid right down the roll cage.. as for tomorrow I want to cut some of the trunk down to drop the rear down, the probably see how the tires fit with this 45.5 wide housing.

hoorah for me!! haha
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can anyone measure their pinto hatchback wheelbase center to center, I lost my measuement...  :accident:
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havent posted my progress in awhile, I got the frame moved in and the body moved out of the way, I will work on tearing the motor down next week, so I can mock up the motor on the frame.
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oh I'm so ready, hopefully finish the floorboard tonight  :D
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dholvrsn

The car is scary disassembled!  :surprised:


Good luck in getting it back together!  :angel:
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I was told it was out of a lincoln mark III, either way its large...  :surprised:
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vonkysmeed

Good Luck.  Looking at the engine, it is out of a 70 van.  I have seen one in a pinto, but he firewall was pushed back to make it fit.  Doing it your way may be better.  Keep us posted.
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Now I'm working on the rear floor, that susp. is a turd to cut out,
will keep posted on the last part of the floorboard drop..
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After the unibody drop.   :amazed:
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79prostreet

e-mail me and I'll send you some,  vbees@ live.com  Bud
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Quote from: 79prostreet on May 04, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
That sure sounds like a fun project, I've been on my prostreet 79 crusing wagon for about a year and a half now. I'm setting a 351w in moved back 4'' and down 1 1/2'' and has been a interesting job. I have 2 x 3 framed the back half w/ 4 link & a narrowed 9'', 10 point cage. One thing I can tell you is that being able to fabricate will be a BIG plus, putting a motor like that is like putting 10# in a 5# bag. I have taken a lot of pic's maybe some would be of help, more than glad to help

where are these pics, i would love to look at them...
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P.S I am goin to use the mustang II susp. from the original car.
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Taking all the doors off, int. and carpet out, getting ready to start marking where to cut.   :devil:
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This is before the project started
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flash041

I would look at any programs you already have on your computer.One might have a compress feature. All I know is Microsoft office, that I have , does.
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I was going to see if it was less complicated, but I will update my old photoshop account I guess..lol
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flash041

for posting pics to forum I create a seperate file on my computer and copy the pics I want to post to that file. Then I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager  and compress them to "web  photo" size then you can post them directly to forum. 
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tinkerman73

The best way for pictures is to use a off site photo host like photo bucket or fotki. Once you have one of them its not hard. If you choose to use photo bucket, let me know. I can walk you through it.
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thanks alot, I am currently trying to upload pics, not sure how this forum works yet..
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That sure sounds like a fun project, I've been on my prostreet 79 crusing wagon for about a year and a half now. I'm setting a 351w in moved back 4'' and down 1 1/2'' and has been a interesting job. I have 2 x 3 framed the back half w/ 4 link & a narrowed 9'', 10 point cage. One thing I can tell you is that being able to fabricate will be a BIG plus, putting a motor like that is like putting 10# in a 5# bag. I have taken a lot of pic's maybe some would be of help, more than glad to help
79prostreet

460 Pinto

I have a 8.8 I am going to shorten, I havent fully gotten the rear all put together in my head yet but the 8.8 will be fine for what I'm doing...

As for advice and help. That is exactly why I posted on this forum

first ? how dou you post pictures into the treads??
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This sounds like a very interesting topic here! I would like to comment quickly. I sometimes think I know a lot. Then something simple stupid comes along and makes me appear dumb. Actually with my pinto, that has happened a couple of times already! LOL> I absolutly hae poor critism. However, I have learned that constructive critism in good taiste is much appreciated and very helpful! I have seen nothing but a great bunch of people on here that will help out when they can. So be patient and be willing to listen to them. Several of the members here have built Pintos and even drag race them. So I am sure they can help you get your project off of the ground (litterally) and hold up for you! I have gotten tired of seeing 302s in Pintos and know I will love to see a bigger ford in there! I would love to see someone put in a mill from a older gt500! LOL. Your 460 is not very far from that! Easily make it pump them out! A big motor like that I am sure would be much better to use a tube frame. But that is a exspense. After that, maybe a tube front end? I know making full welded on exstensions would minimally be required there! LOL. I cant wait to see you progress through this beast! Thanks.
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NoForKin

first thing i would do is get a 9in ford rear end under that pinto
500 hp needs some strength
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460 Pinto

Whats up guys, gonna start a new thread to track and show my progress on my 460 pinto build, feel free to give pointers, but DO NOT criticize me. I am young, but have lots of fabricating exp.
Other than that, comments welcome!    :D
     
I do need alot of things for the 460, I will post up specs later
but as for the frame, a 70' pinto was on it with a BBC so it shouldnt be much modifying to make the BBF fit. But as for the car I plan on cutting the uni-body frame rails out later this week.

Hopefully I can dyno the motor but I will keep posted on that. (hoping for 500hp)

As for what I am needing is info on how I will be able to shorten my 8.8 I got out of an explorer, ex.(shorter axles..).
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