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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

Fred, if AShley doesn't want it you can give it to me... ::)
One can never have too many Pintos!

Fred Morgan

So now I copied the 71 with a 73. When I go to Knott's I will ask my daughter if she want's the car but I think she is to afraid to drive another Pinto.  Fred   :'(
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tinkerman73

WOW< what a bummer on that one! The interior looked terrific!
Jody Michielsen

Fred Morgan

This is what the 71 looked like after my daughter spent over $4000.00 in parts and me doing a lot of work, #4 picture is what happened after a Ford Explorer hit it.  Fred   :'(
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78txpony

Quote from: 2.3stangii on February 28, 2011, 06:33:23 PMThose 77-78 aluminum bumpers are stronger than one might think,
They sure are.  I still have the rear one even after the two car rear-ending I got, AND I still have the original front one anfter totalling that MC!!
Being aluminum, they seem to have enough flex and give to make them springy. 
Just dog-gone strong (pun intended - the dog my sis hit did not like that fact. :rolleye: )

Quote from: blupinto on February 28, 2011, 06:43:37 PM
Rob, that was Fred's daughter Ashley who was in the accident with the blue Pinto. I don't think Joy (Fred's better half) was ever in a Pinto accident. Fred, correct me if I'm wrong.
Helps if I read it right.  I was in a hurry that day....

Quote from: blupinto on February 28, 2011, 06:43:37 PMbe being so darn vertically challenged
You're not short - you're fun-size!   :lol:
-Rob Young
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1997 H-D Sportster

Fred Morgan

I will post up another picture of Ashley 2nd blue Pinto crash when this picture thing here starts working.  Fred   :)
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blupinto

Rob, that was Fred's daughter Ashley who was in the accident with the blue Pinto. I don't think Joy (Fred's better half) was ever in a Pinto accident. Fred, correct me if I'm wrong.

According to statistics, far more people die in accidents when they're not wearing seatbelts that those who die and do wear them. I lost a brother in May of '99 when the ATC he was riding collided with a 4X4 Ranger pick-up head on going approximately 40 mph. Naturally there were no seatbelts on the ATC. He got thrown over 50 feet and his body was mangled. Yes, decapitation is bad, but so is a heap of broken human. I'm an advocate of seatbelts. I'd rather rely on them than airbags. THAT might kill me... be being so darn vertically challenged that I'm right up to the steering wheel just so I can reach the peddles!  lol
One can never have too many Pintos!

2.3stangii

I've been hit by a Chevy S10 going at least 45 mph (well he did slam on his brakes so the actual impact was probably around 25 or 30)  in my 78 wagon. Almost broke my neck and probably would have if I hadn't seen it coming and braced myself. The guy tried to claim he didn't see my turn signals but luckily my cousin was right behind him and he said he saw them just fine. Didn't hurt my car but his bumper had a pretty good size dent and a smashed bumper guard. Those 77-78 aluminum bumpers are stronger than one might think, though I did have steel angle iron holding the bumper on because it corroded and fell off so that's probably why it held on so well.
78 Pinto wagon
74 Mustang II
78 Cobra II

tinkerman73

The seat belt issue is one I still argue with myself on! I have personally seen a couple of people I knew get killed in accidents. One was decapitated. The officers had sai that these people would have probably still been alive if they had not worn thier seat belts because then they would have been ejected! The decapitated one was from a roll over accident. I am sure nothing else needed to say! The second one was a high speed accident due to a animal. Hit the ditch and rolled end over end. Got killed from the tool box. The third was from plain idiacy. My father in law works on the ambulance crew and he too has stated he has seen several accidient where the people probably would have been alive if they had not worn the belts. But then again, I have seen a fair share killed because they had not worn them! So I re interate my statement. If its your time, its your time! He above will dial only your number when he is ready to make that call!
Jody Michielsen

78txpony

Quote from: Jippah on February 27, 2011, 09:11:07 PM
holy cow 78txpony!!!

poor lil car has been through alot!

... but i did notice there wasnt a single mention of flame in those stories! all these stories make me feel a bit better about driving my Shelly around, although i'm sorry to hear about some members' losses :(
Not even close to a fire.  Car still has the original undented gas tank.  The fires resulted from high speed collisions. 
Of course then, any car is fair game to fire, depending ont he exact crash parameters involved. 

Fred, those pictures are sad.  Glad your wife was pretty much okay - I bet the lug wrench caused the injuries. 
Any object inside becomes a projectile. 
When I got hit from the back those two times, I was all over the place (no seat belt), radio came out (not bolted in), ashtray opened and change went everywhere...

I understand, through experience, that seatbelt usage is important. 
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

dave1987

A week after my mom bought my 78 Sedan brand spankin' new she backed into a barrel barbecuer (a 50 gallon barrel cut in half with a grate over it). She destroyed the passenger side quarter panel. She rushed it back to the dealership before my grandpa got home to have the panel replaced and repainted, but the dealership repainted the panel the wrong shade of yellow and my grandpa found out! lol

Last summer I was leaving McDonalds after meeting up with a fellow Pinto owner and a guy in Nissan Pathfinder wasn't watching and we backed up at the same time. Only about 5 mph but he hit me with his bumper guard and crumpled the same passenger quarter panel all the way up to the taillight lens (you can see pictures in my 78's project log). He didn't have insurance and all I had was liability, but he was a really nice gentleman and paid the $360 in paint and body work to get it fixed for me, which I had a friend do the body work. I replaced his bumper end caps for $15.00 for the pair! Had he had insurance, I wouldn't have ever had the car fixed because of me just having liability, I got lucky for sure! That's the only wreck I have ever been in.


My 73 Station Wagon was retired due to the wreck the previous owner had with it. He rear ended a lincoln town car at 15 mph and crushed the grill, crinkled the driver's side fender and broke the headlight door. I was able to pop out most of the fender damage but I can't do anything with the headlight door until I pull the fender off to truly straighten it out.


I do check my rear view mirror a lot while driving, but I only ever really drive my Pintos. While driving the Saturn Ion I do the same, but I think it's more due to habit and obsessiveness of safe driving practices than it is out of nervousness.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Jippah

holy cow 78txpony!!!

poor lil car has been through alot!

... but i did notice there wasnt a single mention of flame in those stories! all these stories make me feel a bit better about driving my Shelly around, although i'm sorry to hear about some members' losses :(
*BANG*
"What was that!?"
'... Speed bump?'

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78txpony

My 78 sedan was in about 5 wrecks and totalled at least 3 times. 

The first was in about 1981 when it was rear ened by an El Camino loaded with bricks.  Actually there was another car in between that absorbed most of the impact.  The Pinto had a mangled bumper with a hole in it, bent frame and bucked 1/4 panel. 
It was repaired by their insurance. 

My sis T-boned a Monte Carlo that ran a stop sign in 1989.  Speed was about 15-20 on impact. 
She was thrown into the steering wheel and got a bloody lip as she was not wearing her seat belt.  Pinto had a bent front frame, broke grille and parking lights, buckled fenders and hood, roof slightly buckled, and the dash dented. 
It was repaired with insurance $ although it was totalled..  She paid just for the frame repair and I did the rest, leaving the dents and crumples here and there.  Bumper mounts, grille and p-lights came from a yard.

A year later, sis hit a big lab dog on the highway doing 60.  Broke the grille and p-lights again and sent her into a spin.  Luckily she stayed on the road. Dog was gone. The skin and fur all over the car was gross.

The next year she was backed into in a parking lot by a Suburban. 1/4 panel crumpled, door dented - car totalled again.  We took what money we could and I beat the dent out the best I could.

Four years later I was on the highway and had to swerve around a car that had spun out in front of me.   I was doing 50 and was rear ended by an '83 Cutlass, mangling the right rear bumper and bending the frame on that side. Cutlass had a dent on the lic plate.  TOUGH car that was. 
That impact tossed me out of the seat (no seat belt) and pushed the car into another lane where I was rear ended again by a huhnduh accord.  Totalled his car - hood, fenders, lights, radiator were gone.  That only scratched up the left side of my rear bumper and dented the tail light ring.  I drove my car home.  It was totalled again but we took the insurance $ and had the frame and bumper straightened.  Not bad afterwards...

No more wrecks and car still drives okay, 15 years later.  Frame and roof are still tweaked so restoration would be difficult.  However, it still does good as a daily driver!


The latest joke I have heard is that the most paranoid driver is the one driving an early model Pinto with a run-away prone toyota behind them. 
Heck I am even paranoid when one of those things are behind me when I am on my bike!
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

pintomagic

I can,t remember , I think it was the Chevy Malibu that had a rear end explosion problem that never was recalled . Why didn,t the media pick on them ? Certianly there were more pintos on the road but still . I guess its cool to die in a macho man car . Like a wrapped up fiberglass Corvette . I remember the story of James Deans Porche , the cursed Porche , he died in it and someone else restored it and got killed or almost in it too .

pinto1979

I T-Boned a Taurus in my last Pinto, the guy ran a stop sign and I hit him at about 30mph.

Before:



After:




I walked away with minor injuries.
Pintos for World Domination!

Srt

I ran over a Vega at about 80 mph in one a while back.  I took out the Vega from the right front headlight to the left front windshield pillar, then a traffic signal control cabinet then a traffic signal pole and lights (over 2 lanes of traffic) then the corner of a guys house then i knocked the guy off his couch onto the floor.

not a straight panel or any glass left in the Pinto and all 5 tires flat.  i got a broken ankle, a broken left eye socket, and a broken sternum, BUT...... no fire or even smoke anywhere!

(boy was I stupid when I was young)
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Fred Morgan

Well she did need stitches in a few places. #3 picture may be what happened to her head it was laying on drivers floor. She would get dizzy when she stood up that lasted about a month and a half. I had to drive her every day on the streets because she would cry if I tried to take freeway. Car went end over end then rolled 2 times to the right.  Fred   :'(
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Norman Bagi

Fred,

Forget the car, how was your daughter after that?

tinkerman73

That thing looks totally messed up! But yet, I dont see any scortch marks!
Jody Michielsen

Fred Morgan

This is what my daughter's 73 looked like after being hit by a drunk driver going over 120 mph in 55 zone and yes there was fuel in the back seat. Only thing that could be saved was license plate and fuel cap.  Fred   :'(
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Cookieboystoys

Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on February 16, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
I always look in my rear view mirror, especially at stop signs!!!!! 

Jennifer
:o

me too, used to be trucks that worried me, not anymore because you know why the Pinto blew up? it's cause the Toyota couldn't stop!

Haha! seriously though, while they can have issues when hit from behind, I have seen a lot of pictures of Pintos "crushed" in rear end collisions that didn't see flames. The demo guys really like them too as they hold up well, derby after derby. Tough little cars for what they are.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

tinkerman73

Quote from: blupinto on February 18, 2011, 06:36:28 PM
They just don't make cars like they used to! lol :accident:
You could say that again! When we bought this estate, it came with 8 vehicles. Only one was older then the 90's. Every single one of them with two exceptions was rusted out, wouldnt turn over and brakes were locked up and tires flat. The 98 was usable. The other had sat there for 20 years and was a 59 TR3. Blew its tires up and they help. Rolled out of the barn no problems. Nothing locked up or anything. We got that onto a trailer with nothing falling off. 5 of the others we had all we could do to get them loaded up. They were even falling apart infront of us! I think they used to make cars a lot tougher and more reliable back then. I honestly believe they make cars to fall apart and need repairs now! Also I believe they make cars that only the serviceman can repair with the proper(exspensive) tools! Thats why I like this little pinto. Most all of it is very basic and easy to understand!
Jody Michielsen

blupinto

They just don't make cars like they used to! lol :accident:
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

I drove home after my 1975 mishap too.  These little cars are tougher than you might think!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

earthquake

Also while not a rear ender,I was involved in an accident in 93.While traveling at 55  mph a car traveling the opposite direction made a last minute left in front of me.( In plain view of a state trooper)I hit their car just behind the pass door totally destroying their car.My little wagon didn't look so good either,But after the trooper looked my car over I was allowed to drive my car off.I did have to pull the fender away from the front tire some but it drove away.55 mph collision and no structural damage.
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

Tercin

I was rear ended in a 73 trunk model in 1981. An F150 hit me at a stoplight. I had to get a new rear bumper and some body work to the rear valance. No flames death or dismemberment here.
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

dga57

I actually survived a pretty severe crash in my original 1974 Pinto Runabout, although it did not involve the rear end being hit.  I skidded off wet pavement on a curve and slid through someone's front yard, sideswiped a tree, went through a barbed wire fence, bounced off of a cattle loading shute, then back through the fence again and ultimately landed in the road!  Quite a ride!  Resulted in over $2000 in damages to the car (which cost only $2900 brand new) and the insurance company wouldn't total it.  All the sheet metal on the car was replaced except the roof and the rear hatch.  Neither I nor my girlfriend received any injuries.  That happened in 1975.

Dwayne :smile: 
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

The wagons weren't the Pintos involved in the gas tank-related recall. The space between the tank and differential is bigger, thus no issue like the '71-'76 sedans and Runabouts. Jippah, if there's a plastic flap between the front of your gas tank and the pumpkin (differential housing) then Shelly was already recalled and had the work done.

My '97 Isuzu Rodeo has been rear-ended 3 times!!! All three times while I was stopped at a red light.

As for being safe... if something hits you hard enough... no matter what you drive...it can turn into a ball of flame or otherwise kill you. All you can do is ye safe yourself and enjoy your Pintos! ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

cutelitlputtputt

My Orange Pumpkin had been rear ended at a stop light in Palm Desert several years ago!  You should have seen the damage to the other car!!!!

And yes, I always look in my rear view mirror, especially at stop signs!!!!! 

Jennifer
:o
Anything to keep her runnin'!