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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

How many road worthy Pinto's are left?

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03_pinto_R

there seems to be very few here in Indianapolis unfortunately  I have seen more Chevy citations witch is just odd
How many people ask you if that's a real pinto?
have a 2003 black and red focus-pinto runabout 5 speed
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had a 1980 orange pinto hatch back 4 speed
had a 1978 sky blue pinto wagon 4 speed
had a 1974 orange bobcat hatch back a

tony v

well, im thinkin that there is gonna be way more than we all think. i live here in eureka montana and i have seen bout 6 not counting my 2. penelope is a 77 trunk and i have a 74 root beer lookin wagon 4 speed. i got penelope with 28000, yea that is typed correct. on the speedo. NOT ONE RUST SPOT TO SPEAK OF. the 74 is a hellofa solid car too. there is an old fella that goes to the market and he has a 75 with 36000 on the speedo, its in good running shape but the body has drunk bumps all over it.  (he wont sell it, trust me) there is a younger girl with one in kalispel, i told her to reg. on here. i wonder if she did? there has to be a way to git a data base thinger on reg. pintos on the road.   tone
Rubber side down!!

Norman Bagi

The 1% rule would be nice, that translates into 900 Pintos per state that are licensed and road worthy. Remember we are talking about cars that are legal and driveable, not broken down. 
It is apparent we have no way of knowing, since we cannot (at least I have not been able too) access a motor vehicle database that would list how many are licensed acroos the country.

And yes we can include Canada. Canada is cool, it is where we all plan to move after this country falls apart.  :drunk:

gearhedd

It seems that ya'll are only counting Pinto's that reside in the USA, What bout the rest of us up here in Canada...Do we count too.  Ok so there may not be as many but i know personally of 5 that are not signed up on this site, All running and road worthy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep... not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

dga57

That's my thinking on the subject, OhSix9!  Interestingly enough, very few people on this site see it that way.  I wish there was a definitive way to prove or disprove the theory!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

OhSix9

well if you assume a 1% rule   then at 4.5 million produced over 9 years there would still be approx 45000 units remaining on the road.   I suspect the % is actually higher than 1.   

Modest beginnings start with the single blow of a horn man..    Now when you get through with this thing every dickhead in the world is gonna wanna own it.   Do you know anything at all about the internal combustion engine?

Virgil to Sid

78txpony

There are three more that I know of - one Bobcat in MA, one 76 hatchback in CA, and another Pinto hatchback in Witchata Falls, TX.  They are all running and are getting cosmetic improvements.

I sold parts to these guys and they prefer to stay off of computers as much as possible, so they are not on this forum. 
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
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1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

2.3stangii

Well I know of four so far in my area, My 78 wagon is a daily driver and has been getting me to work for almost 6 years now.

I've seen an early model light blue trunk model around town every now and again, and I saw a 79 down by the river the day I got my 71.

78 Pinto wagon
74 Mustang II
78 Cobra II

Cheeseliner

75 Pinto Hatchback Runabout. 2.3 EFI Turbo Charged Pinto with C4 and 8 inch 4.11 locker, Front mount IC, NOS, Walbro/T-bars/ Drag Stars

78txpony

My 78 sedan is still my daily driver with 155K miles!
Good little car, though it runs a little rough when cold or humid out.
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

STLpintoWGNguy76

My first car was a brown 1977 Pinto wagon. Last September I found the one I have now; a 1980 Ford Pinto Wagon Pony Steel Stallion edition. It had been sitting in a garage since it was last licensed in 1986. It has 73,XXX original miles. It is still undergoing work it needs to get in road worthy. Everything rubber or gasket was pretty much dry rotted. The only rust I found was on both front floor pans. I am hoping to have it completed by late spring and get it registered with the Pinto Club and get it to some car shows. Not to many Pintos left in the St. Louis area.

DreamBean

I have 2 on the road down here in South carolina. And I know of 3 others in the area.
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

D.R.Ball


Cheeseliner

Only mine and one Bobcat that i have seen here in Topeka licensed and on the street anyway. Theres several in the bone yards here. Kenny
75 Pinto Hatchback Runabout. 2.3 EFI Turbo Charged Pinto with C4 and 8 inch 4.11 locker, Front mount IC, NOS, Walbro/T-bars/ Drag Stars

blupinto

The 100 Pintos/Bobcats per state probably isn't very accurate... Hawaii (that we know of) has one, maybe two (remember they limit the number of cars there) and Alaska is admittedly not prime Pinto Country (it's C-C-COLD up there!) but then Cali probably has WAY more than 100 roadworthy Pintos or Pintos that need a tweak here or a tweak there to get them back on the highway of life.

In thew past 5 years I have counted (in Oceanside-Carlsbad): A mint/turquoise early to mid-year sedan or Runabout (on HWY 76), a red w/white vinyl top '77-'78 Runabout, a '72 or '73 black wagon, a white '78 wagon, a '73 ginger glow wagon at Walmart, and naturally mine- Ruby, currently running- and my other two who need a tweak here or a tweak there to get them up and running. I take Ruby on 80 mile trips and am confident that she'll be fine on the Big One.  ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

Norman Bagi

Interesting stuff, so of course their is no deffinitive number, unless someone here knows of a Database for registered vehicles across the country.  So if we are to meet in the middle for a guess it would be somewhere around 10-20 thousand. We need more Stampeders  :hypno:

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: Rear Ended on February 12, 2011, 02:12:28 PM
but i feel those that have multiple Pintos are deffinitely on this site, so they are pretty much acounted for.

there are several I know of that are not! off the top of my head... I know of at least 6 that have 5 or more that don't do the internet thing.

many, many, many more pinto owners out there that are not part of the online community vs. those that are.

In truth I would guess the # is between my guess and Dwayne's thought's and likely more than any of us would suspect  :o
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Norman Bagi

Thanks for all the input, I am guessing an educated guess will be the best way to figure this out.  I would agree with Cookieboy that about 100 per state would be a pretty acurate guess. DGA57 has an interesting view, but i feel those that have multiple Pintos are deffinitely on this site, so they are pretty much acounted for. And since the reputation was so tainted and given it is an economy car that most would not put money into, compiled with 40 years of age.  Probably not too many left.  It odes score huge on the curiosity scale.
More input would be appreciated.

dave1957

the town i live in there are about 54000 people and i know of 6 pintos in my town I saw one that is from a different county(i think it belongs to a college student) so i put the old i want to buy your pinto note under the wiper havent heard back yet
1979 bobcat
1974 red stinkbug
1979 orange pinto sedan aka project turbo hack
1979 orange pinto all glass hatch 52k

sedandelivery

I know at least 4 including mine (ones a Bobcat) that are licensed and running around here in Northeast Pa., and I know the owners.

dga57

Well, there are 6527 registered members on this site.  Admittedly, not all of them have a Pinto but I'm willing to bet that quite a few do, and the fact that many members own multiple Pintos probably more than makes up for those who don't.  Then there are the ones owned by people who have never heard of the PCCA or FordPinto.com!  There were three million built so if even only 1% remain, that would account for 30,000.  Somehow I rather doubt that 99% of them have disappeared in the forty year span since they were introduced.  I don't know how you would ever get an accurate count but I suspect the numbers would surprise all of us. 

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

TIGGER

There are not many on my side of town.  I have two that are road worthy.  The one I sold to my neighbor makes three.  Then there is an older lady that has an early sedan that I see about twice a year.  Then there is Mikes cruising wagon in St Johns that I have seen parked at his shop.  I know my 72 primer hatch is still on the road as well.  I am sure there are others in Portland but I just don't see them on the road.
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Cookieboystoys

let's see... in my area (northern minnesota) since the middle of 2006 I have kept a really close eye on Pinto's for sale in my area, basicly within 500 miles, plus Ebay and many other areas of the country as well. I also know of many well hidden Pinto's within a 30 minute drive of me. If I were to consider just thoes in my area and expand nation wide... I think somewhere in the 5000's easily could be considered, maybe more.

This is considering there are! many Pinto owners out there that know nothing! of the online Pinto community, don't offer their cars up for sale and are well hidden from public view. I have to think I have seen at least 50-75 Pintos for sale since 2006 just in the state of Minnesota. Met many that have cars that I still haven't seen in person, a few I have passed on the highway as I take my into trips, etc... I really do think the #'s could be quite surprising... considering many of us say... "I'm the only Pinto owner in the State"

consider this... if I can take 1 Pinto to a show, up here in the middle of nowhere and know there are 4 others that could join me within a 30 minute drive. I got to think in States like California, where 30+ Pinto's show up for the Knott's Show there has to be 500+ in california alone.

when I say "5000's" consider that's only 100 cars per state, maybe I'm PintoNutz but that's my thought anyhow  ;D

Road Worthy? I guess that depends on the defination... me I am giving a lot of slack and considering any Pinto that runs, maybe not on the Pinto Stampede, but driven to some degree.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Norman Bagi

I am gathering information for a press release, and I was wondering if anyone had any input on how many Pinto's are road worthy?

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