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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Norman Bagi

Here is my final listing of everything I found so far that is not a rethread.
TV
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=261134

http://www.kmov.com/video/featured-videos/Good-News-4-a-Change-Pinto-stampede-raises-money-for-wounded-122919993.html

http://www.ksnt.com/news/local/story/Pinto-Stampede-rolls-through-Topeka/ONdZ94OeRU2rnBJhJJvSaw.cspx

http://www.kdvr.com/kdvr-colo-pinto-lovers-celebrate-40th-anniversary-hold-fundraiser-20110528,0,1823200.story

http://www.fox43.com/videobeta/?watchId=ed68815e-25c2-499b-9764-14464b3aeb4d

http://www.centralillinoisnewscenter.com/video/mac-mike/Mac--Mikes-Pick-Pinto-Stampede-122917603.html

http://www.ktka.com/news/2011/may/30/pintos-stampede-through-topeka/




News and Magazines

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_18159604

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110602/CARNEWS/110609982

http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2011/06/01/cross-country-stampede-celebrates-ford-pinto/

http://www.cumberlink.com/news/local/article_6c2b8cae-8f25-11e0-b2ff-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=story

http://www.gpb.org/news/2011/05/31/40-years-later-collectors-keyed-up-over-ford-pinto

http://www.lawrence.com/news/2011/may/23/pinto-stampede-cars-40th-anniversary-proud-owners-/

http://www.kansasspeedway.com/Articles/2011/05/Pinto-Stampede.aspx

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11145/1148996-185-0.stm?cmpid=business.xml

http://www.kansas.com/2011/03/26/1779968/pinto-stampede-will-come-through.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2011/05/22/2011-05-22_one_car_enthusiasts_idea_of_automotive_bliss_is_a_muchmaligned_1970sera_jalopy.html

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20110516%2FLIFE02%2F105160305







Puzzled by my fuzzle?  A Pinto game made out of us on the Kansas City Star website?

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/31/2917959/phuzzle-pinto-power.html






Radio

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/whatsbrewin/2011/05/31/whats-brewin-in-sports-interview-series-welcomes-norm-bagi

http://www.motormouthradio.com/download.htm

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/npr.php?id=136824864

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2011/05/27/the-pinto-stampede

http://www.850koa.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=coloradosmorningnews.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KOA-AM/CMN 05-30-11 6AM.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=&NG_ID=&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.850koa.com&SITE_ID=668&STATION_ID=KOA-AM&TRACK=



Web

http://nysportsjournalism.squarespace.com/100th-indy-500-meets-pinto-40/?SSScrollPosition=0


Norman Bagi

Fox31 in Denver aired a great segment on the start of the Stampede, no negativity and well edited.  A fairly long segment. Thanks Fox31, hopefully this will have more affiliates showing up down the road. This link is to the blog of the broadcast. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xhBsy8o7K0

http://www.kdvr.com/kdvr-colo-pinto-lovers-celebrate-40th-anniversary-hold-fundraiser-20110528,0,1823200.story

Also we were interviewed by CBS radio to air tomorrow across the country and by the NPR news also to air across the country.  So if you know the local station, listen in, this is a great boost for our start tomorrow morning..

78squirewagon

There's also an article in the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinal in the automotive section. I cant find ths story on line but still  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

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sedandelivery

I just saw the article-AWESOME!!

Norman Bagi

Front Page of the Denver Post!!!!! Biggest newspaper in the midwest! Today things get bigger and better.  Tonight is the meet and greet, let's hope for some TV.
:happy_bday: :lol: :drunk:

Norman Bagi

I just completed the NPR interview, I worked to dispell some of the statistics they had, it will air at 12:30 pm eastern time, so that should be 11:30 central and 10:30 mountain and 9:30 Pacific.
It is going oout to 171 radio stations throughout the day check the previous listing for one in your area or listen here on the web.

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/


flash041

I will be doing a live radio interview about the Stampede tomorrow, Friday the 27th at 9:30am central time, on 1670WTDY Madison WI Sly in the Morning Show. Listen on the web here  http://www.wtdy.com/index.html
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1993 Mustang LX 2.3 convertible

Norman Bagi

Just did Denver Morning news to air on Memorial day sometime between 5am-9am Mountain time.  just in case you wanted to wait all day for the segment, here is the link.
http://www.850koa.com/main.html


Norman Bagi

Great job guys on the Racing Round up. Well Done!
Tomorrow I have an interview  (taped) for Colorado Morning News, if i get a time and web address I will forward that.

Friday I have another taped interview with the NPR.  Below is the stations it will broadcast on (171) I will forward when this aires as well.

NPR Here and Now
station list

WBHM 90.3 FM -- Birmingham, Alabama · 11am - Noon (CT)
WSGN 91.5 FM -- Gadsden, Alabama · 11am - Noon (CT)
KSKA 91.1 FM -- Anchorage, Alaska · 9 - 10am (AKDT)
KUAC 89.9 FM -- Fairbanks, Alaska · 8 - 9am (AKDT)
KIYU 910 AM -- Galena, Alaska · 8 - 9am (AKDT)
KXGA 90.5 FM -- Glenallen, Alaska · 8 - 9am (AKDT)
KMXT 3 HD -- Kodiak, Alaska · 8 - 9am (AKDT)
KXKM 89.7 FM -- McCarthy, Alaska · 8 - 9am (AKDT)
KTNA 88.5 FM -- Talkeetna, Alaska · 8 - 9am (AKDT)
KJZZ 91.5 FM -- Phoenix, Arizona · 11am - Noon (MT/PT)
KAWC 1320 AM -- Yuma, Arizona · 10 - 11am (MT/PT)
KAWC 88.9 FM -- Yuma, Arizona · 10 - 11am (MT/PT)
KUAF 3 HD -- Fayetteville, Arkansas · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KUAR 89.1 FM -- Little Rock, Arkansas · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KNHM 91.5 FM -- Bayside, California · 10 - 11am (PT)
KQVO 97.7 FM -- Calexico, California · 11am - Noon (PT)
KPMO 1300 AM -- Mendocino, California · 10 - 11am (PT)
KMJC 620 AM -- Mt. Shasta, California · 10 - 11am (PT)
KAZU 90.3 FM -- Pacific Grove, California · 11am - Noon (PT)
KVCR 91.9 FM -- San Bernardino, California · 11am - Noon (PT)
KPBS 89.5 FM -- San Diego, California · 11am - Noon (PT)
KCLU 88.3 FM -- Thousand Oaks, California · 2 - 3pm (PT)
KSYC 1490 AM -- Yreka, California · 10 - 11am (PT)
WQQQ 103.3 FM -- Sharon, Connecticut · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WSHU 1260 AM -- Westport, Connecticut · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WLRN 2 HD -- Miami, Florida · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WMFE 90.7 FM -- Orlando, Florida · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WUWF 88.1 FM -- Pensacola, Florida · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WABE 2 HD -- Atlanta, Georgia · 1 - 2pm (ET)
KBSX 91.5 FM -- Boise, Idaho · 11am - Noon (MT)
KBSY 88.5 FM -- Burley, Idaho · 11am - Noon (MT)
KBSQ 90.7 FM -- McCall, Idaho · 11am - Noon (MT)
KRFA 2 HD -- Moscow, Idaho · 10 - 11am (PT)
KBSS 91.1 FM -- Sun Valley, Idaho · 11am - Noon (MT)
WBEZ 91.5 FM -- Chicago, Illinois · 1 - 2pm (CT)
WNIJ 89.5 FM -- DeKalb, Illinois · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WNIE 89.1 FM -- Freeport, Illinois · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WKCC 91.1 FM -- Kankakee, Illinois · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WNIW 91.3 FM -- LaSalle, Illinois · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WBEQ 90.7 FM -- Morris, Illinois · 1 - 2pm (CT)
WCBU 89.9 FM -- Peoria, Illinois · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WQUB 90.3 FM -- Quincy, Illinois · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WNIQ 91.5 FM -- Sterling, Illinois · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WBEW 89.5 FM -- Chesterton, Indiana · 1 - 2pm (CT)
WVPE 88.1 FM -- Elkhart, Indiana · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WBAA 920 AM -- West Lafayette, Indiana · Noon - 1pm (ET)
KANU 2 HD -- Lawrence, Kansas · 11am - Noon (CT)
KMUW 89.1 FM -- Wichita, Kansas · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WKYU 88.9 FM -- Bowling Green, Kentucky · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WEKF 88.5 FM -- Corbin, Kentucky · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKUE 90.9 FM -- Elizabethtown, Kentucky · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WEKH 90.9 FM -- Hazard, Kentucky · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKPB 89.5 FM -- Henderson, Kentucky · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WEKU 88.9 FM -- Richmond/Lexington, Kentucky · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WDCL 89.7 FM -- Somerset, Kentucky · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WWNO 2 HD -- New Orleans, Louisiana · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KDAQ 3 HD -- Shreveport, Louisiana · 8 - 9pm (CT)
WSDL 90.7 FM -- Ocean City, Maryland · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WBUR 90.9 FM -- Boston, Massachusetts · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WBUR 1240 AM -- Cape Cod and the Islands, Massachusetts · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WNNZ 91.7 FM -- Deerfield, Massachusetts · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WCCT 90.3 FM -- Harwich, Massachusetts · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WSDH 91.5 FM -- Sandwich, Massachusetts · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WNNZ 640 AM -- Springfield, Massachusetts · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WUOM 91.7 FM -- Ann Arbor/Detroit, Michigan · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WFUM 91.1 FM -- Flint, Michigan · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WVGR 104.1 FM -- Grand Rapids, Michigan · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WMAH 90.3 FM -- Biloxi, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WMAE 89.5 FM -- Booneville, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WMAU 88.9 FM -- Bude, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WMAO 90.9 FM -- Greenwood, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WMPN 91.3 FM -- Jackson, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WMAW 88.1 FM -- Meridian, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WMAB 89.9 FM -- MS State, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WMAV 90.3 FM -- Oxford – University, Mississippi · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KBIA 2 HD -- Columbia, Missouri · 11am - Noon (CT)
KCUR 89.3 FM -- Kansas City, Missouri · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KYPR 91.7 FM -- Billings, Montana · Noon - 1pm (MT)
KBMC 102.1 FM -- Bozeman, Montana · Noon - 1pm (MT)
KECC 90.7 FM -- Miles City, Montana · Noon - 1pm (MT)
KXXX 88.9 FM -- Miles City, Montana · Noon - 1pm (MT)
KBSJ 91.3 FM -- Jackpot, Nevada · 11am - Noon (MT)
KNPR 3 HD -- Las Vegas, Nevada · 10 - 11am (PT)
KNPR 88.9 FM -- Las Vegas, Nevada · Noon - 1pm (PT)
KWPR 99.7 FM -- Lund/Ely, Nevada · Noon - 1pm (PT)
KLNR 91.7 FM -- Panaca, Nevada · Noon - 1pm (PT)
KTPH 91.7 FM -- Tonopah, Nevada · Noon - 1pm (PT)
WEVC 107.1 FM -- Berlin, New Hampshire · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WEVO 89.1 FM -- Concord, New Hampshire · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WEVH 91.3 FM -- Hanover, New Hampshire · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WEVJ 99.5 FM -- Jackson, New Hampshire · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WEVN 90.7 FM -- Keene, New Hampshire · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WEVS 88.3 FM -- Nashua, New Hampshire · 1 - 2pm (ET)
KSFR 101.1 FM -- Santa Fe, New Mexico · 5 - 6pm (MT)
WNED 970 AM -- Buffalo, New York · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WSUF 89.9 FM -- Greenport, New York · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WRVO 2 HD -- Oswego, New York · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WFAE 90.7 FM -- Charlotte, North Carolina · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WFHE 90.3 FM -- Hickory, North Carolina · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WKNS 90.3 FM -- Kinston, North Carolina · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WBJD 91.5 FM -- Morehead City, North Carolina · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WZNB 88.5 FM -- New Bern, North Carolina · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WFDD 88.5 FM -- Winston-Salem, North Carolina · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WOUB 91.3 FM -- Athens, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WGBE 90.9 FM -- Bryan, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WOUC 89.1 FM -- Cambridge, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WOUH 91.9 FM -- Chillicothe, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WGDE 91.9 FM -- Defiance, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKRJ 91.5 FM -- Dover, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WOUL 89.1 FM -- Ironton, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKSU 4 HD -- Kent, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKSU 89.7 FM -- Kent, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WGLE 90.7 FM -- Lima, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WNRK 90.7 FM -- Norwalk, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKSV 89.1 FM -- Thompson, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WGTE 91.3 FM -- Toledo, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKRW 89.3 FM -- Wooster, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WOUZ 90.1 FM -- Zanesville, Ohio · Noon - 1pm (ET)
KGOU 106.3 FM -- Norman, Oklahoma · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KROU 105.7 FM -- Spencer, Oklahoma · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KWGS 3 HD -- Tulsa, Oklahoma · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KOAB 91.3 FM -- Bend, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KOAC 550 AM -- Corvallis, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KOPB 1600 AM -- Cottage Grove, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KRVM 1280 AM -- Eugene, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KOGL 89.3 FM -- Gleneden Beach, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KAGI 930 AM -- Grants Pass, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KTVR 90.3 FM -- La Grande, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KOAP 88.7 FM -- Lakeview, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KRBM 90.9 FM -- Pendleton, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KOPB 91.5 FM -- Portland, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KTBR 950 AM -- Roseburg, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KSJK 1230 AM -- Talent, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
KTMK 91.1 FM -- Tillamook, Oregon · 10 - 11am (PT)
WHYY 90.9 FM -- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WRNI 102.7 FM -- Narragansett, Rhode Island · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WRNI 1290 AM -- Providence, Rhode Island · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WXNI 1230 AM -- Westerly, Rhode Island · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WUTC 88.1 FM -- Chattanooga, Tennessee · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WHRS 91.7 FM -- Cookeville, Tennessee · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WUOT 2 HD -- Knoxville, Tennessee · Noon - 1pm (ET)
WKNO 2 HD -- Memphis, Tennessee · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WPLN 3 HD -- Nashville, Tennessee · 1 - 2pm (CT)
WPLN 90.3 FM -- Nashville, Tennessee · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WPLN 2 HD -- Nashville, Tennessee · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WTML 91.5 FM -- Tullahoma, Tennessee · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KUT 2 HD -- Austin, Texas · 11am - Noon (CT)
KAMU 2 HD -- College Station, Texas · 11am - Noon (CT)
KEDT 2 HD -- Corpus Christi, Texas · 11am - Noon (CT)
KOHM 2 HD -- Lubbock, Texas · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KSTX 89.1 FM -- San Antonio, Texas · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KWBU 2 HD -- Waco, Texas · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WBTN 94.3 FM -- Bennington, Vermont · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WVPS 107.9 FM -- Colchester, Vermont · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WRVT 88.7 FM -- Rutland, Vermont · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WVPA 88.5 FM -- St. Johnsbury, Vermont · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WVPR 89.5 FM -- Windsor, Vermont · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WVTW 88.5 FM -- Charlottesvill e, Virginia · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WWVT 1260 AM -- Christiansburg, Virginia · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WEHC 90.7 FM -- Emory, Virginia · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WFFC 89.9 FM -- Ferrum, Virginia · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WHRV 2 HD -- Norfolk, Virginia · 1 - 2pm (ET)
WCVE 2 HD -- Richmond, Virginia · 1 - 2pm (ET)
KLWS 91.5 FM -- Moses Lake, Washington · 10 - 11am (PT)
KMWS 90.1 FM -- Mount Vernon, Washington · 10 - 11am (PT)
KQWS 89.7 FM -- Omak, Washington · 10 - 11am (PT)
KWSU 1250 AM -- Pullman, Washington · 10 - 11am (PT)
KWWS 89.7 FM -- Walla Walla, Washington · 10 - 11am (PT)
WUWM 89.7 FM -- Milwaukee, Wisconsin · Noon - 1pm (CT)
WXPR 2 HD -- Rhinelander, Wisconsin · Noon - 1pm (CT)
KPRQ 88.1 FM -- Sheridan, Wyoming · Noon - 1pm (MT)

03_pinto_R

I'm making sher i have the morning off when you guys come threw here in Indianapolis so I can see the cars and you guys can see my work in progress of my focus to pinto
How many people ask you if that's a real pinto?
have a 2003 black and red focus-pinto runabout 5 speed
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e79/uxtcmenuts/mms_picture4.jpg
had a 1980 orange pinto hatch back 4 speed
had a 1978 sky blue pinto wagon 4 speed
had a 1974 orange bobcat hatch back a

Norman Bagi


Norman Bagi

Here is the latest one, a newspaper article in the Topeka Kansas paper. It features local Pinto ownere ken Eaton who wil come out and meet with us in his Pinto.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/may/23/pinto-stampede-cars-40th-anniversary-proud-owners-/

78squirewagon

just a final reminder to tune into www.racingroundup.net tonight between 7pm-8"30pm Central time to catch Dave Kawa and I doing an interview about the Stampede and Pinto's in general.
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Norman Bagi

Today we had an article in the Sunday New York Daily News. This is New York Cities most read paper and on Sunday has it's highest sales. Millions of people today have read about the Stampede.  I think the article was fair, some puns, but overall a good story with some statements about how the Pinto was no less safe then any other car of its day.  I gave the reporter a ride around and he saw first hand how the Pinto is received by the public at large.

flash041

My interview on 1310am is now posted on the Stampede web site.I thought it went very well!
1978 Pinto Cruising wagon (I am the original owner ! ) Built Aug 15th 1977 in NJ
1993 Mustang LX 2.3 convertible

flash041

just a couple of hours away
1978 Pinto Cruising wagon (I am the original owner ! ) Built Aug 15th 1977 in NJ
1993 Mustang LX 2.3 convertible

flash041

Tomorrow, Friday May 20th at 10:00am central time, I will be doing a Live interview on, 1310Am Madison WI, about the Stampede. Here is the link to listen live on the web

http://www.wiba.com/main.html
1978 Pinto Cruising wagon (I am the original owner ! ) Built Aug 15th 1977 in NJ
1993 Mustang LX 2.3 convertible

dga57

Quote from: Rear Ended on May 16, 2011, 06:15:31 PM
The Times Herald Record published a story on the Stampede today, check out the column on the right where they vindicate the Pinto.  Well Done.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110516/LIFE02/105160305



A very nice article, indeed!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Norman Bagi

The Times Herald Record published a story on the Stampede today, check out the column on the right where they vindicate the Pinto.  Well Done.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110516/LIFE02/105160305

dga57

WAY TO GO, NORM!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Norman Bagi

Just finished the INDY radio broadcast.  I think it went well, enthusiasm is high and no negativity.  We are rolling in our Pinto's

Norman Bagi

Stampede interview just completed with the Lawrence Journal World Newspaper the daily newspaper for the city of Lawrence Kansas should have the article posted soon.

Norman Bagi

The Denver Post is doing a story to publish just before we leave.  Photo oportunity on Friday May 27th. for all who can make it early.


78squirewagon

Quote from: Rear Ended on May 10, 2011, 03:10:48 PM
Let us know the time and station location on the web.

OOPS!!   www.racingroundup.net    It's a local racing show but can been seen live on the net
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Norman Bagi

WIBC in Indianapolis will be doing a live interview on the Stampede friday AT 11:00 AM Eastern time.  They are the big Sports, Racing station in the area. here is the link http://www.wibc.com/listen

Norman Bagi

Let us know the time and station location on the web.

78squirewagon

On Monday, May 23rd, Myself, Dave Kawa and a couple of supporters will be on the Racing Roundup show to talk about the Stampede and what we are doing. We are not sure what time we are actually going on but it's only a 1 1/2 hour show. Also, our cars will be on display in front of Paulies to promote the show.The show starts at 7pm Central and can be seen live at  BE SURE TO TUNE IN AND WATCH
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Norman Bagi

For those who missed the itnerview live, our webmaster has it posted on our site. http://www.pintostampede.com/events.htm
:happy_bday:

blupinto

I did email the Dave Shelly and Chainsaw radio show explaining the Stampede, my involvement in it, and how to help, but I don't think they read it... or they thought it was a spam. That show is broadcast around the world via computer and it's based in beautiful San Diego. Since Pinto comes up frequently in their show (not super negative, believe it or not), I thought Dave, the Guy In Charge, might throw us a bone.


Tomorrow I am calling Bill Drew of Drew Ford because he promised me $200 worth of gas cards when it gets close to show-time. Who knows what might come out of that besides gas cards!?!  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Norman Bagi

Thanks for all the good vibes, please post all media contacts and events here.