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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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TIGGER

I finally finished rebuilding the other carb and got it on the car a couple days ago.  The car runs a lot better now but is still is too lean when boosting it.  I have to fix the parking brake as it is rubbing agaist the drive shaft, making a bunch of noise.  Next is a good wash and installing the rear bumper.
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Srt

i want to see smoke off those rear tires!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

TIGGER

I figure I should update this post.  The front end is all back together.  The brakes are done and blead.  I installed a wagon front sway bar. The fuel tank is back in and the car is on the ground.  It is not as low as before but it should be high enough that the tires will not rub when aligned.  All I need to do is to rebuild the carb again and she should be able to move under her own power again. I am sure glad all this is over 8)
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TIGGER

Quote from: Mike Modified on June 01, 2010, 11:50:35 AM
www.rockauto.com shows three loaded left calipers (reman'd - no core charge) and two unloaded right calipers (reman'd - HUGE core charge) in their system. 

Mike

Thanks Mike, I ordered two left ones (one for a spare) and a few other things I needed.  I am going to try and see if I can find a right one somewhere else as I do not want to deal with shipping the core back and waiting for the refund.  I did that once before and it was a big PITA.
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Glitch666

HAHAH GREAT!!!! Just seeing this car under that cover was sad, Im glad to see your working on it.

Mike Modified

Quote from: TIGGER on June 01, 2010, 01:50:13 AM
  I just need to get the rotors turned and find some new calipers.  Calipers are hard to find for the early cars.......


www.rockauto.com shows three loaded left calipers (reman'd - no core charge) and two unloaded right calipers (reman'd - HUGE core charge) in their system. 

Mike

TIGGER

Thanks it is far from close but it is getting better.  I have been working on it a lot lately.  I finished the rear brakes, installed a new master cylinder, pounded out the dent on the side, and started the front suspension rebuild.  I almost finished the passenger side this weekend.  New ball joints, bushings, tie rod ends, springs etc. I will start on the drivers side this week.  I just need to get the rotors turned and find some new calipers.  Calipers are hard to find for the early cars.......









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Starsky and Hutch

Cool Tig,,,, nice to see it getting close,,, looks good
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TIGGER

My 4 year old son has been bugging me to work on this car for some time now so today I decided to make him happy and move the car into the garage.  I am ashamed to say I have not started the car in 2-3 years.  I got a new battery for it last fall which has been on a trickle charger thru the winter.  After taking off the small cover, I threw the battery in the car and tried to start it.  It took a while to get some gas into the carb which was leaking like a sieve from the accelerator pump.  I pulled the carb off and tightend the screws which stopped the leak.  The next problem was spark.  I did not have any at first.  I did this once before.  The Mallory 6AL is wired to the battery.  The battery terminal needs to be tight in order to have spark.  Once I tightened the terminal I got the car started but it ran out of gas within a minute of running.  A little bit of gas from a gas can got it running again, but barely.  The accelerator pump must be out on the carb as it did not want to rev up easily.  I still managed to get it in the garage though.  The car needs tons of work to say the least.  I have been collecting parts for it for some time now so I guess now is time to get things repaired.

The first order of business will be to replace the gas tank.  I have a perfect replacement waiting.  Second will be to get the brake system rebuilt.  The car had mushy brakes when I bought it now they are hard as a rock, I can barely press the pedal down.  Third will be to rebuild the front suspension and change the springs in order to raise the car up to a resonable height.

My son and I got the rear of the car up in the air and on jack stands.  We got the rear wheels off.  I am surprised this car was never undercoated.  Out of all the Pinto's I have had I have never seen one with such a clean undercarriage.  Most are full of grease and grime.  This one is just dirty.

Tomorrow I will drop the tank and start on the rear brakes.

Here are some pics of the car as it sits today.
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dga57

I've never personally dyed any carpet but I had the carpeting and mats in my Continental Mark V professionally dyed and they turned out fantastic.  That was about a year ago and I haven't noticed any deterioration in the color.  Can't give you an actual cost on that because it was done as part of a total detailing of the interior.  If you make sure you purchase carpet dye, and you brush it in as you spray, you should be okay.  Good luck!
Dwayne :smile:
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TIGGER

It has been a while since I have posted anything on this car.  I am ashamed to say I have not done anything with it but collect more parts.  I have had a lot of luck this year finding original parts for my black interior conversion. My major score being the 73 deluxe door panels I won on Ebay.  A couple weeks ago I picked up a decent set of early black cargo panels.  I had to drive 200 miles round trip but at least I have them.  Those were the last big items I needed.  I am down to a few odds and ends and my early black interior parts quest will be done.  I snapped some pics of some of the parts while I was at my storage place today however I forgot to get the door panels.  The cargo mat is faded but is nice and solid.  Anyone have any luck in dying carpet?
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osiyo59

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TIGGER

I don't plan on dying anything.  I will swap out the arm rests with some mint black ones that I have put away.  I am not sure what I am going to do at the moment.  If I do decide to sell them, I will let you know.
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osiyo59

Hey Tigger.

Since you are changing the interior to  black, are you going to change or paint the arm rests. I have the same blue in my squire and need a driver side Arm rest. Just curios

Rob
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TIGGER

One more
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Pics...
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TIGGER

Thanks Tony, there was a local guy that ended up with a 72 drag car in trade.  I ran across him at a swapmeet.  He was trying to sell the motor or the whole car.  I asked him what he was going to do with the car if he sold the motor.  He said part it out.  I was under the impression that he did not think it was worth much without the drivetrain.  I took his number and kept in touch.  At one point someone was going to buy the car as is but the deal fell through.  I was so happy when he called me to come get the bumpers.  I went out to his place as fast as I could before he changed his mind.  I bought a bunch of other misc parts off the car while I was there.  After selling off what I did not need, I got the bumpers real cheap ;D 

I am interested in the trade.  From what I remember, my blue door panels are pretty nice but it has been a couple months since I have taken a good look at them.  I will take a closer look at them and get back to you.  I don't want to mislead you in any way.  Do you have any early black cargo panels that are in decent shape?
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Pintony

Hey Tigger,
Nice score on the bumpers!!
How good are your Blue delux interior pannels?
I have a set of Near-Mint Black delux I might trade But I will NOT SELL.
From Pintony

TIGGER

Quote from: srt on September 08, 2006, 03:16:09 AM
you sure that's a '73?  i didn't see the extra space between the bumpers and the body.  looks more like a '72.  does it have the large rear window? 

Yes it is a 73.  There is no longer any space between bumper and the body.  The front bumper has been tucked up against the body.  My friend that built this car had a 72 hatchback when he bought this car.  He took the best parts off the 72 and put them on this car.  Like the rest of us, he liked the look of the smooth bumpers so he swapped them over.  This car came with the large window rear hatch but I do have a 71 small window hatch that I am considering installing.  Not sure yet as I like the look of both.  It will be some time till I get to this project still.  I want to finish my crusing wagon before I get too involved in this one.  I did start it yesterday and let it run for a few minutes.
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Srt

Quote from: baflinn on September 07, 2006, 01:35:48 PM
Tigger, if after you get this beast running and are still detonating try adding a water/alcohol (80/20 mixture) injection system. I ran a custom AK Miller turbo setup on my '72 2000 sedan to 12+ lbs boost with no problems. Same draw through application as yours - only had a Crane turbo grind cam and O-Ringed head the rest of the engine was bone stock.

You can build your own injection system from a stock windshield washer unit and run the feed tube to your carb with a fogger head pointed into carb throat (can get you a part number later) add a pressure sensitive switch on the intake manifold somewhere to kick in around 5-7 lbs. and wire up with fuse to ground and hot.

The extra water/alcohol will cool down the charge and keep you from detonating. Extra benefit - internals get a steam cleaning. Pulled spark plugs after 3000 miles during oil change and they came out looking like new.

Would VERY VERY strongly suggest against putting any kind of IC in between turbo and intake - you do not want a gas/air charge in that much space to get ignited during a backfire...

If you need any more info I'll be glad to pull together what I can for you.  Best of luck.

boy does that sound like an Ak Miller set up or what.  I'm surprised you were running just 12 # boost though.  when i worked at Ak Millers in the '70's the stuff we were putting together was at least 15 ..some higher depending on how much you wanted to risk !!!(money--parts--pistons)
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Srt

you sure that's a '73?  i didn't see the extra space between the bumpers and the body.  looks more like a '72.  does it have the large rear window? 
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

baflinn

Tigger, if after you get this beast running and are still detonating try adding a water/alcohol (80/20 mixture) injection system. I ran a custom AK Miller turbo setup on my '72 2000 sedan to 12+ lbs boost with no problems. Same draw through application as yours - only had a Crane turbo grind cam and O-Ringed head the rest of the engine was bone stock.

You can build your own injection system from a stock windshield washer unit and run the feed tube to your carb with a fogger head pointed into carb throat (can get you a part number later) add a pressure sensitive switch on the intake manifold somewhere to kick in around 5-7 lbs. and wire up with fuse to ground and hot.

The extra water/alcohol will cool down the charge and keep you from detonating. Extra benefit - internals get a steam cleaning. Pulled spark plugs after 3000 miles during oil change and they came out looking like new.

Would VERY VERY strongly suggest against putting any kind of IC in between turbo and intake - you do not want a gas/air charge in that much space to get ignited during a backfire...

If you need any more info I'll be glad to pull together what I can for you.  Best of luck.
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TIGGER

They do but all that stuff was removed from motor before my friend bought it.  The motor and tranny came with this carb and intake setup.  I do not know what the motor was used for before my friend bought it.  All I know it that it was rebuilt and out of a 85 SVO.
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Srt

i thought the SVO's used an intercooler
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

TIGGER

I had some time today so I decided to work on the car ;D  I first changed out the water pump.  That took about an hour.  I then decided to install the drivers side sport mirror.  I had a template that I cut out from one of my parts cars which made locating the remote hole easy.  This took about an hour and a half.  I did not install the passenger side mirror as I need the inserts.  I still had some time so I decided to get my wipers working properly.  I first replaced the wiper blades as the ones on the car were in sad shape.  The windshield looks fairly new so I did not want to scratch it up with old blades.  I then replaced the wiper motor with a spare.  This cured my problem with the wipers not returning to the bottom of the windshield when turned off.  I also had a spare intermittent wiper setup so I installed it too however the switch is flakey :(  This took about 2 hours to install.
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TIGGER

The seats appear to be good quality and very comfortable.  The ones I have are approx 20 years old and have held up well.  I think had they been taken care of better they would still be in good shape.  I will either buy another set or have someone recover them.
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turbopinto72

The 1100 series are real close to a recaro look. The might work In a Pangra as a possible replacement.
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TIGGER

Quote from: turbopinto72 on July 03, 2006, 07:04:25 PM
What did those seats come out of?
They are the older style Procar Buckets by Scat.  Here is the link -> http://www.procarbyscat.com/
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turbopinto72

What did those seats come out of?
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TIGGER

I brought my Turbo car home today ;D  My friend was nice enough to stored it for me for the past couple years on his RV pad but now that he is selling his house I had to bring it home.  The car needs a lot of work still but it is nice and water tight.  I will need to redo the brakes as they are pretty bad now.  The gas tank is rusty so that will need attention soon as well.  I am debating on rasing the front a little as this thing is pretty low.  I am afraid that once it is aligned, the tires will rub.  Here is a quick pic of it sitting in my driveway.
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