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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

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The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Let's talk Knock!

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D William A

for what its worth..... I had a knocking sound with very similar symptoms, turned out to be the rag tie.

A chunk was gone, enough was left to make the steering wheel feel ok but driving it, the front end components had a enough energy to clink the metal pieces on both sides of the rag tie, but only some times, and it was speed dependent and came from right under around the engine but hard to tell. went away or couldn't be heard at higher speeds. Seemed to get worse as the engine warmed up.

Glad yours turned out easy. I ended up installing inner tie rod ends thinking maybe the little play I felt was causing it. only after I took the rack n pinion out, installed the inner tie rods, have a go around for a few days about oil vs grease in the rack n pinion (another post), did I discover the rag tie.

DA


pintogirl

Quote from: 71pintoracer on May 10, 2010, 10:23:50 PM
I hate it when I'm gone for a few days and I miss everything!!  :lol: I knew what the problem was as soon as I read your post because mine did the same thing once on the left side. BTW, the little "clippie things" are called "anti-rattle clips". Kinda fitting huh?  :lol: :lol:

LOL, yah, guess that is a pretty fitting name for them!! LOL
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71pintoracer

I hate it when I'm gone for a few days and I miss everything!!  :lol: I knew what the problem was as soon as I read your post because mine did the same thing once on the left side. BTW, the little "clippie things" are called "anti-rattle clips". Kinda fitting huh?  :lol: :lol:
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RSM

Good to hear it was a simple fix...ya gotta love those!!

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I think you can buy a brake hardware kit for them,,, from a parts store ,
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pintogirl

The mystery has been solved!!!! Yay!! :D

It was the pads knocking on the caliper. It is missing 3 of the little clippie things! Hubby made the pads fit tighter and reinstalled everything. I took the car to get  pizza and now all I get is a low squeal once in a while. I can live with that! LOL

I do need to fix it the right way later. I need to find some of those cippies. Fred, if you have any laying around send a few my way! LOL

For now though the car is super quiet now!! I love it!! Best running and driving Pinto I have now!!!  ;D
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Srt

i had a similar situation a long time ago that turned out to be a wheel weight that was loose but not too loose and it would intermittantley come into contact with the upper 'a'-arm/ball joint assembly ( car was lowered with a 7" rim width- not stock)
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Bigtimmay

Like i said before check your brakes and check wheel bearings too. Im pretty sure you will find the problem in the front brakes or atleast in that area just by what your describing. A good cleaning may be in order to free stuff up.

If it was the flex plate you might not have starting issuses if its cracked by the bolts that hold it to the crank. But since you said it goes away or atleast gets quiter when your holding the brakes that pretty much rules it out. Flex plates make noise when cracked all the time and get worse the faster the motor turns or atleast thats been my experience with the prolly 20 or so cracked ones ive had to deal with plus it usually sounds more like a bottom end bearing knock.
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Wittsend

>>>Sorry about that, I was in a hurry to get to bed ...<<<

Wellllll.... no wonder why Hubby is so willing to work on your Pinto's.  ;D

All kidding aside jack the car up and try turning over the front wheels as fast as you can by hand. It sure sounds like something in the front wheel system.   There are often little pieces of thin metal that the pads can ride on (not sure if the Pinto has them). Or, perhaps even a cotter pin that hits the dust cap.  I'm sure a little testing will solve the problem.
Tom

RSM

The flexplate turns as long as the engine is running. You could have starting problems if the flexplate was completely broke but you would know it...lol. You would really hear the noise more from the underside of the car rather than the tunnel. Noise will take the path of least resistance....way less metal on the underside of the car. This is the problem with trying to figure something out over the internet...way too many different things can be wrong and there are a ton of answers for them...lol. Like i say, the flexplate is just a thought. I hope it's something simple. How many miles are on the car??

pintogirl

Sorry about that, I was in a hurry to get to bed but wanted to ask my question before I did! LOL

The car has disc brakes and it is an automatic.

The tires do need to be replaced but we didn't see anything wrong with them when they were off.

As far as the flexplate idea. Wouldn't it keep turning if I was still giving it gas (making the car go the same speed) while I was applying pressure to the brake? Also, if it had issues, wouldn't I have starting issues too, like a loud noise or something? I will check that though when we have the car on the lift!!  OH, and if it was the flex plate, wouldn't I hear a more muffled knock coming from the tunnel of the car? I am hoping it is not that because that will take longer to fix! Yuck! LOL

As far as the disc pads making the noise. That is my thought too. The brakes do make noise when you apply them. Hubby checked them and they had plenty of pad on them. He also tried to move the calipers but they were tight! I don't think he actually checked for looseness in the pad itself though.  This was the other day though, he hasn't had time today to look at the car again. I am hoping tomorrow.

Another thing I noticed. When driving it when I have an island in the street on the drivers side, I can hear the knock, but it isn't to loud. When I car is on my right side, I can hear the knock louder. So I am thinking it is the right wheel area making the knock.

I am hoping hubby will look at it tomorrow night! I really like driving this car!! :D
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Lost Coz

I once had a tire that had a separation between the belts, that sounded like what you are describing. They were only about a year old and the only way I found out about it was when the tire blew. It wasn't anything that I could see, and believe me, I tried to find it for weeks. Might not be your problem, but you can never tell about the quality of some products.

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RSM

Just out of curiousity....do you have a manual or automatic transmission? What your describing sounds like a broken flexplate to me. If you have an automatic that may be a place to start. From your description of the noise thats what I'm leaning towards. It doesn't really sound like a noise from the brakes. One way to know if it's the flexplate is to remove the starter and inspect it. It's been a while since i've seen the underside of a Pinto with an automatic. If memory serves me well there is a small plate you can remove to gain access to the torque converter bolts/nuts. If you have an automatic it may be a place to start...just a suggestion. A little more info as to the drivetrain would be helpful. Good luck!!

Bigtimmay

Front have disc or drums? if its disc check to see if the rotors are warped or if the caliper is stuck or loose. Also while the caliper is off try to wiggle the rotor too see if the wheel bearings are good.
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dga57

When I had a similar problem with my Dodge Durango, it turned out to be a brake caliper that needed replacing.

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slowride

I had that with the brake pads I installed a few months ago. Changed pads and made sure the new pads were tight to the caliper and the noise is gone.

pintogirl

Here is the situation, lets see if you guy's can figure out what could be causing this. I am getting a knocking noise when driving down the road. It happens most of the time, but occassionallly it doesn't. It is not the motor. Ok, so after I drive the car for about 2 miles or so the knock starts when I take off from a stop. It is a slow knock and then gets faster as I pick up speed. Eventually I am going fast enough that I can't really hear it so I cant say it does it at speed or not. I do start to hear it again as I slow down, just letting off the gas. As soon as I step on the brake, it stops.

Here is what I did on the way home. I tried driving with pulling up the emercency brake at the same tme as I was giving gas. The knock was still there. Then I tried to push on the brakes while still giivng it gas. Noise went away. Let off brake, came back. Never did change the way I was stepping on the gas, so I believe that should rule out the motor!

Hubby had the wheels off yesterday and checked the brakes, they are good. He then tried to move things and everything seemed to be tight. So it's not like the wheel is loose or anything.

So what in the world could be causing this knock??

Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA