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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1967 Mustang 8inch vs. 1976 Mustang II 8 inch rear?

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Carolina Boy

I got my Granada rear today and it is a 9" but drum brakes. The car had a 351 with tow package. Best of all I got the whole car for $250. So I got the heavy springs, drive shaft, rotors and calipers and radiator. I am FIVE lug bound. Already have a buyer for the shell, actually making $50.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

russosborne

Just to close out the original question, looks like I have a buyer for the 67 Stang rear, so I will be going with the II rear for sure.
Hey, $40 is $40. :-)
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Bigtimmay

umm the lincoln versailles im still on the look out for one of those! id rather not ditch out the 1000+ for one ill use a 8.8 before i pay that for a used 9 inch
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: fordmastertech on April 27, 2010, 10:27:17 AM
All of those rear ends mentioned are wider than the Pinto.
Yes of course they are. The reason for buying the whole shabang is to get all the hardware and peices that are needed in the swap to disk brakes.

Quote from: Carolina Boy on April 27, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
I can't remember the Lincoln car name, same as the Granada, 1977 had rear dics brakes and if my mine served me right it was an 8"or 9"? Something like "Versay"
Its a granada versailles. They had a 9" rear end and that was a killer swap for the pinto. However they are rarer than hens teeth these days. If you find a complete rear end i bet it way more expensive than having a custom mild 9 built from scratch these days.

All good info guys!


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Carolina Boy

I can't remember the Lincoln car name, same as the Granada, 1977 had rear dics brakes and if my mine served me right it was an 8"or 9"? Something like "Versay"
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

fordmastertech

All of those rear ends mentioned are wider than the Pinto.
61 Ford Starliner, 67 Mustang, 51 Ford F-1, 73 Ford F-100, 74 Ford F-100. Owner of A&A Automotive, Dealer for Vintage Air, American Autowire.

russosborne

In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Problem for me is that when places have those sales I don't have the cash.

Ebay. One reason was the money I spent there. Another (and the main reason) is that I quit in protest a couple three years ago when they started scr@#ing the small sellers. I never sold, but I bought most of the stuff I did from small sellers, and Ebay is trying real hard to get rid of them.

As far as these parts go, when the time comes I will see if I can contact fastmerc and buy the stuff direct. If not, then I guess I won't be getting them from him.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: russosborne on April 25, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
I found the adapters. The sellers name is fastmerc on ebay. Here is a link to a current auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-Mustang-Rear-disc-brake-adapting-parts-9-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56395a4e8dQQitemZ370329407117QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I knew someone on the vintage mustang site would come through. :-)

If I had the cash (and still used ebay) I would buy a set of both, so I would have them when I finally get the brakes. With my luck, things like this tend to quit being sold just when I need them.

Russ


How cool!
I have them on my watch list now. I will probably be doing this in the future. But as you say they will probably stop selling them when you actually need it !! LOL
So considering the amount of crown vics in the yards these days i bet you could really go budget on this stuff!  Also dont forget that major yards do there half price weekends at least twice a year and with that you could save some major cash! Its what ill be doing when i decide to take the plunge! Its what i did as well when i bought the rear end and springs way back when... Saved a bundle!

So if you dont mind me asking why dont you do Ebay anymore?? Bad experience? too much money spent?? (LOL! that would be my problem hehehe.) How are you going to get those parts then? Just curious, not trying to pry.. Well i guess i am!
Robert


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B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
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russosborne

Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on April 25, 2010, 12:50:23 AM
I havenet found the adapter pieces from the article though. Im sure they are still around somewhere.
Goodnight for now!
Robert


I found the adapters. The sellers name is fastmerc on ebay. Here is a link to a current auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-Mustang-Rear-disc-brake-adapting-parts-9-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem56395a4e8dQQitemZ370329407117QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I knew someone on the vintage mustang site would come through. :-)

If I had the cash (and still used ebay) I would buy a set of both, so I would have them when I finally get the brakes. With my luck, things like this tend to quit being sold just when I need them.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Cutoff wheel. Why didn't I think of that? I have a 4 inch grinder, if I can find the key (chuck) for it, and some cutoff wheels. I tried just cutting the shackles, but I couldn't get a good angle on it with the sawzall. The car isn't really up high enough, but in the shape it is in it is as high as I am comfortable with.

I hear you about doing things the easy way. I am 50. This stuff isn't as easy as it used to be. :-) But it is still fun, as long as it isn't stay up all night to fix the car to go to work stuff.

In Akron Ohio. Don't do Ebay any more. Plus, can't afford anything right now. I have the II rear so it will work.

I used to have the website saved for that brake change over. Not sure if I still have it, I got rid of most of my vintage mustang stuff when I gave away my 69 project.
I just asked on the vintage mustang site, hope to get an answer soon.It was someone from there that was selling them a few years ago at least.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

71hotrodpinto

Ouch!! Have to warn you that the bushings on the front leafs are HARD. They are not afraid of sawalls!! So you might just keep on busting blades!
I had some extra peices that i ended up using in another part of the car. I had to shorten them. THEY SPARKED BIG TIME with the cutoff wheel. Like i was striking flint!
SO youll probably have better luck soaking the bolts in PB Blaster or some other good penatrant OR maybe heating them with a propane tortch and get out the big guns like a 1/2" breaker bar and some Muscle to break them loose.
Sounds like a big bunch of work!
Now that im getting "older"  (amazing what 6 years and 2 kids can do to you!! LOL) I try to do things the easy way if possible!!
GL!

Edit, Im not sure where you are but there are a ton of crown vic "complete with brakes" rear ends on ebay.
Some going for dirt cheap. Since most of what you need is attached to the rear, that might make things easier!
I havenet found the adapter pieces from the article though. Im sure they are still around somewhere.
Goodnight for now!
Robert


95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

russosborne

Thanks. Adding that extra leaf sounds like a good solution.
I spent most of the evening trying to get the II rear off of the II. Taking it off in one piece with the springs still attached. Got the front mounting brackets off from inside the car, that made it pretty easy. Used a sawzall to cut the shocks after I got frustrated trying to unbolt them. Still need to get the rear of the springs unbolted/cut. Wish I had a torch. Broke the one sawzall blade I had trying to cut through the bushing and the bolt.
I also took the V6 frame mounts off. Once I figured out a way to do it with only me, it wasn't too hard.
Hoping to be done with it tomorrow. Need to get the II sent to scrap so I can clean the garage before moving the Pinto in.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

71hotrodpinto

Hey i hear ya about the subscription money thing. Ive been subscribing for 6+ years now and every once in a while i have to let it lapse.

I got rid of the rubber spacers in the clamp setup and placed another small leaf in there to take up the room. IIRC. Yea if you leave them in there especially since they are probably shot, it will create a weak link.

I got my 8 out of a 79 v6 sedan. I grabbed the springs,and the axle so i had the extras to fool around with. Since the leaf mounting points are further apart front to back on 74 and up pintos, i ended up using the old springs i had and then just pulled apart the later leaves and grabbed the small leave at the bottom. Seemed to work great!

From a standstill it will smoke the BF's and no wheel hop. Course i also have full poly bushings as well front to back on the leaves.
(When i go to the strip i will of course have the traction bars and drag radials )


95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

289Wagon

  I have a 8" from a '70's era Maveric in my wagon (project)
  It has 5 lug axles and was a direct bolt in, no mods needed.
Still living the dream...In a points & condenser world.

russosborne

OK, that brake setup. I am familar with it from my vintage mustang days, but had forgotten about it. Thanks!
It might work, since you have to modify the flange anyway.
I know that most aftermarket kits won't work without mods on the II rear end because it is shaped a bit differently than the rest of the 8 inchers.

And I really do want to subscribe. Have to wait a while though. Wish my wife had asked me what I wanted a subscription to a while back. She got me a subscription for Valentine's day to a magazine I really didn't want anymore. sigh.
It is frustrating to read one of the articles and find out that you have to subscribe to see the whole thing.

Another question is about the mounting to the leaf springs. Doesn't the Pinto and II use some sort of pad or spacer that the normal 8 inch ones don't? That was one of the "weak points" brought up on the II site about them. It might not really matter for a medium powered car anyway.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

turbo74pinto

check currie enterprises.  i have rear rotors and calipers from an 87 or 8 turbo coupe
(4 lug).  i think one of the brackets currie sells will adapt that caliper to the 8 inch housing.  i think it may be the bracket for the super coupe caliper.  id have to remeasure the turbo coupe rotors.  same set up joe morgan ran from what i remember.
Take a job big or small, do it right or not at all.

71hotrodpinto

No problem. They have a bit of a archaic search function
Heres the link.
Its in the "tech exchange" fourm. Im not sure if you need to subscribe to see this one.
On that note its well worth the basic subscription price for the year.
http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/braking-articles/488169-budget-rear-discs-8-small-9-axles.html


95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

russosborne

ok, I must be extra dense tonight. I couldn't find anything on disk brakes for the Mustang II 8 inch rear.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Thanks. I will try to find that disk brake stuff on fordmuscle. Hopefully I don't have to pay to do it.
i have to decide soon. Want to get the II stuff on craig's list this weekend.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

71hotrodpinto

Id say for ease of fitment go with the mustang 2 housing. No difference in weakness than the 67. You can get the stock axles drilled for 5 or get some "stronger" Axles from like Moser.

A administrator on fordmuscle.com has a 67 with a 8 in. He put the later model ( mustang 11 style)  pumpkin in it and a "lock rite" Locker in it.  Then later upgraded to some slightly stronger Moser axles after twisting the splines due to 5000rpm clutch dumps with drag slicks.
He had hundreds of passes on that rear over the time he was running it for a Test mule for the website.

If you "shop around" on fordmuscle as well there is a guy that has a disk brake on his 8in rear. Very simple and slick. Its what i will be doing once i get "a round tuit"
My opinons!
GL!
Robert


95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

russosborne

I have both. The II rear is still in the II, the other is on the floor of the garage.
From what I have read, there are pros and cons to both. So I am looking for input on which to use in the Pinto. I am leaning towards a 302 for the engine, but at this point am not sure. I just found out someone here at work will be selling a V-6 from a 1990 ranger. That would be different, at least.  :D
And I could probably get it cheap and complete with fuel injection and trans.

1967 pros
already 5 lug. more brake choices. According to some on a II site, a stronger housing than the II. I wouldn't have to remove it from a rusty/dirty car with rusted hardware.
1967 cons
Not a bolt in. Wider than the II.

II pros
Bolt in.
II cons
4 lug. Very limited choice in brakes. I am looking at going with disc brakes, only found one kit for the II. Possibly weaker housing. Will possibly make getting rid of the II body harder.

Did I miss any?
Any thoughts appreciated.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.