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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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I am currently going thru the same thing with my 78 Crusing wagon.  What sounded like a rod knock was infact loose torque converter bolts, I am pretty sure of it.  Mine too was quieter when the rpms were up.

I pulled the motor about a month ago now to see what was going on.  When I ran across the loose torque converter bolts and saw the condition of the flexplate, I was pretty sure I found the source of the noise.  I had to fix an oil leak anyway so I pulled the pan to make sure everything was ok.  I got the motor back in a couple weeks ago but only started hooking things up this afternoon.  I was lucky enough to have had a spare C3 flexplate. I made sure I aligned the drain plug to the hole before I tightend the bolts.  I used loctite on the torq conveter bolts this time.  My torque converter seemed fine, did yours get damaged? 

I have a few things left to connect so I did not start it today but I did install the battery to cranked it over.  I did not hear the rattle noise when the engine was turning over so I am pretty sure I have fixed it.  Mine turned over like normal.  Are you sure you had the torque converter in all the way before you started to assemble things?  If it is not in all the way, the converter will not spin freely once the motor and transmission are married together.  You may also see if the starter is binding for any reason?  Just a couple thoughts.... 

I hope to get my car running in the next couple days. I will subscribe to this thread to see how you are coming along.  Good luck to you...
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lefty

Quote from: pintoguy76 on September 27, 2009, 12:58:42 AM
You sure its a rod knock? A loose flywheel/flexplate can sound like a rod knock.

I guess it could be since my flex plate was not bolted down correctly and it rounded out the three holes the torque converter bolt through--now the engine will not start (has a hard time turning over) when it was running the knock was very loud and as the rpm went up the knock got less ???

pintoguy76

You sure its a rod knock? A loose flywheel/flexplate can sound like a rod knock.
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Quote from: oldkayaker on September 15, 2009, 05:51:25 AM
Based on a 79 Pinto C3, the flex plate will bolt up to the onverter in all of the three positions but should be bolted up in the one position that gives access to the converter's drain plug.

Since you said it is just a shade off from bolting up, I was wondering if the converter is damaged or made incorrectly.  If the flex to converter connection was loose and banging around, may be some of the nuts are bent where they are welded to the converter.  If they are bent and not too badly damaged, screwing in a long bolt may give enough leverage to gently bend it back.  I have not done this, just speculating.  Of course new a flex and a new converter would be ideal but may get expensive.

I have found flex plates but finding a torque converter --all the parts stores don't have any 3 bolt just 3 4 bolt for the c4--



oldkayaker

Based on a 79 Pinto C3, the flex plate will bolt up to the onverter in all of the three positions but should be bolted up in the one position that gives access to the converter's drain plug.

Since you said it is just a shade off from bolting up, I was wondering if the converter is damaged or made incorrectly.  If the flex to converter connection was loose and banging around, may be some of the nuts are bent where they are welded to the converter.  If they are bent and not too badly damaged, screwing in a long bolt may give enough leverage to gently bend it back.  I have not done this, just speculating.  Of course new a flex and a new converter would be ideal but may get expensive.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

lefty

Quote from: douglasskemp on September 14, 2009, 10:50:50 AM
I wonder if that 3-bolt flex plate it 'keyed' of sorts?  I know I have seen in the past where the holes were not equal distance from each other, so it could ONLY be bolted on ONE way.  (I want to say this was the case on my 390, but it's been too long and too many motors ago to remember stuff like that ;D) If you tried lining it up any other way than the ONE correct way, they would be slightly off.

We tried every conceivable way to line up the three holes that the torque converter bolts fit through and non of the flex plates would marry up. The flex I have now for some reason the torque converter bolts were not tightened down and the torque converter moved around and elongated the holes-now the torque converter moves and makes one hell of a noise....

some one said that the A4LD would bolt right in--then someone else said it was inches longer than the 1977 C2-then I seen people talking about the A4LD and solenoid that had to be hooked up-then someone else said they did not hook up the solenoid and the transmission worked perfect--

1. If I used a A4LD would I have to shorten my drive shaft?
2. The best years for the A4LD to work I have been told are from 1980's to 1990
3. If I use the A4LD will I have to relocate my transmission mount?
4. I understand the A5LD came in the Mustang-Granada-Bronco II-and the Ranger Pickup-all with the 2.3 or 2.5 engines is that correct?
5. If I had a chance to pick up the engine 2.3 and transmission A4LD- would that be advisable if yes what would I need for the engine to make it work-Computer? Harness?

I am not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination but I am willing to learn and take this project one step at a time

What really prefer to do is just make what I have work ie: find a flex plate and even a different torque converter for my 1977 C3 to make it work again.

And I really appreciate all you guys have done to help this project along..

Lefty

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The six holes aren't evenly spaced where the flex-plate bolts to the crank. I had to spin the flywheel around twice on Wee Beastie before I got the holes to line up right (if you did the math, I probably had it right once and didn't quite see it).
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douglasskemp

I wonder if that 3-bolt flexplate it 'keyed' of sorts?  I know I have seen in the past where the holes were not equal distance from each other, so it could ONLY be bolted on ONE way.  (I want to say this was the case on my 390, but it's been too long and too many motors ago to remember stuff like that ;D) If you tried lining it up any other way than the ONE correct way, they would be slightly off.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
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lefty

I have tried every flex plate listed in O'Reilly-Auto Zone-NAPA and none of their three hole flex plates for a 2/3 /C3 transmission fit my torque converter--all the mounting holes are just a shade off.  so I am now looking A4LD transmission out of a Ranger-Mustang or a Bronco II I was told they will bolt right up to my 77 2.3 engine.

Lefty


Quote from: Mike Modified on September 11, 2009, 02:34:56 PM
Napaonline has them

http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430&CatId=8&SubCatId=11

for $58.49

Pictures shows three holes

Mike


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Quote from: thewrench3 on September 10, 2009, 04:22:19 PM
Sounds like you have a three bolt converter and the only flexplates you are finding are for the four bolt converters.

You are exactly right-3 bolt and no flex plates will fit like you say they are all 4 bolt

thewrench3

Sounds like you have a three bolt converter and the only flexplates you are finding are for the four bolt converters.

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lefty

Okay here is the story on my Pinto (1977  2.3), it has a C3 transmission-the flex plate bolt holes have been reamed out by moving on the bolts--somebody forgot to tighten them down-anyway-I can't find a flex plate to fit-looked at all the catalogs at O'Reilleys-Car Quest NAPA etc seems the torque converter I have is one that is not even listed in parts book --parts people say it looks like a knock off. So now I am looking for either a upgrade transmission ie:C4 etc one guy I know said why not convert to a 5 speed shift manual trans--question how hard is it to convert from auto to manual shift???  Is there any year model that I can just swap in the whole drive train motor and all--and now my damn 2.3 1977-has a very loud knock.

I just cant win here and I have limited funds and limited mechanic abilities.......Maybe I should just say the hell with it and go back to growing tomatoes LOL

Anyway, any help would be appreciated from you mechanics/gear heads out there..

thanks again.

trying to get my act together so I can cruize my pinto at the Friday nite cruise in's ;D
LEFTY