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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

Quote from: 71pintoracer on July 15, 2009, 11:09:20 AM
I hear ya Dwayne, my youngest son and some friends took my Lincoln to the beach and on the way they got rear-ended in traffic. Scuffed the bumper and knocked the license plate off the Lincoln, $4500 damage to the mid-sized car that hit them. (That car was towed away, the kids went on to the beach!)


Amen to that!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

71pintoracer

Quote from: dga57 on July 15, 2009, 01:22:02 AM
The Pinto is the only small car that ever won my heart.  As far as safety goes in the event of an accident, I would much prefer to be in one of my '79 Lincolns instead.
Dwayne :smile:
I hear ya Dwayne, my youngest son and some friends took my Lincoln to the beach and on the way they got rear-ended in traffic. Scuffed the bumper and knocked the license plate off the Lincoln, $4500 damage to the mid-sized car that hit them. (That car was towed away, the kids went on to the beach!)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Pale Roader

Quote from: earthquake on July 14, 2009, 11:00:33 PM
The strength of the old steel is undeniable.but the best way to survive an accident is to avoid it in the first place.Don't get me wrong,I'm a big fan of the old shoe boxes and love wagons.I've never liked small cars until I got my first pinto.Since then I have had to rethink things a little. While it is true that the big card hold up better,the smaller cars are much more nimble making it easier to avoid the collision in the first place. 70 percent of collisions could have been avoided if only 1 of the drivers involved had been paying attention (small car helps here).The other 30 percent you want as much between you and you're opponent as possible (big car helps here).So in theory the small car has better survivability rate 70/30.Just a theory.   

Well, thats my thinking exactly, and why i insist on having real tires on all my cars... especially the lil' one. Z-rated dry-weather 245's and 275's on 17" rims so far, as soon as i get some hub-adapters made and some rims modified they'll be a lot bigger. I tell ya though... i'm like one ov those insane inner-city bike couriers when i'm driving that Pinto... UBER-aware and everything is a potential danger. Drive like you're a long-tailed cat in a room fulla rocking chairs and you'll do just fine...

But you GOTTA have good tires. I'll be upgrading the brakes to big 4-wheels discs as soon as i figure out what works too...

dga57

The Pinto is the only small car that ever won my heart.  As far as safety goes in the event of an accident, I would much prefer to be in one of my '79 Lincolns instead.
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

earthquake

The strength of the old steel is undeniable.but the best way to survive an accident is to avoid it in the first place.Don't get me wrong,I'm a big fan of the old shoe boxes and love wagons.I've never liked small cars until I got my first pinto.Since then I have had to rethink things a little. While it is true that the big card hold up better,the smaller cars are much more nimble making it easier to avoid the collision in the first place. 70 percent of collisions could have been avoided if only 1 of the drivers involved had been paying attention (small car helps here).The other 30 percent you want as much between you and you're opponent as possible (big car helps here).So in theory the small car has better survivability rate 70/30.Just a theory.   
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

Pale Roader


Haha, Earthquake, i'm sure its good compared to other small cars, but i'll never feel safe. My other cars are all, and have ALWAYS been big steel cars. They say the Smart Cars are pretty safe too, that fine, YOU drive the Smart car, i'll drive a 70 Imperial...

My friend has a first gen RX-7 (possibly the stiffest small car ever made, seriously!) with a 302/5-spd. Its got a legal cage and lots ov extra welding. I still dont feel safe in it.

I just like big cars. To me a 70 Challenger is a small car. Driving around in my Pinto took a LOT ov getting used to...

earthquake

I have to disagree with Pale Roader.Being a biker whose gone down 3 times and a pinto owner whose been in a high speed crash I have a little insight on the subject.I'm also a tow operator whose dealt with over 4000 crashes.The pinto was a well built small car that held up very well when compared to most of the other small cars on the market.In may of 92 I found out how well built the pinto was when a gentleman decided he just could wait for me to pass and turned left in front of me :accident:.I struck his car,a 92 impulse in the side just behind the passenger door at 55 mph.Parts of the Impulse were found 100 feet from the point of impact,All I left was pieces of head light,turn signal,And the grill around the head light.The Impulse required a flatbed as both sides of the rear suspension were snapped off.The Pinto? I got back in my car and continued on my way with the troopers promise I would not be bothered about the broken headlight,Nice guy.It cost me $100.00 to fix the body damage,not counting paint.I contribute this to that large but ugly bumper.Had I been driving my 73 I have no doubt I would not have driven the car away.There was a bright spot in all this.The only witness to the accident was the Trooper who was sitting behind the guy,best possible witness.His insurance company said they were going to total my car and I told them to dream on.I reminded him who was at fault and who the witness was and proceeded out the door.Next thing I know he is asking me to hold on and picks up the phone And calls the body shop giving the lowest quote,$1750.00.They agree it could be done for $1700.00 and I had the check the next day.At this time a mint pinto went for $850.00,and I had paid $50.00 for this one 2 yrs earlier.I fixed my car and 19 yrs later it's still my daily driver,499,728 miles on the odometer.
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

Pale Roader

Quote from: WagonNut on July 12, 2009, 08:17:10 AM
I have been interested in reading posts about weight savings. I saw somewhere that fiberglass fenders were not much lighter than steel. I parted out a 77 and was surprised when I lifted off the fenders. They are not heavy. I think that the glass hood would make a difference.Lose the latch and use hood pins. That would make solve the issue with converting to an earlier front end. More on weight savings... use a 2 bolt steering rack if you have a 3 bolt. The racks are interchangeable and save a bit of weight.Glass racing seats are another.

I can imagine they are not much lighter, but in a car this light/small, you shave weight by finding 1-5lbs here and there, not taking 40lb chunks off at a time. Whether 10-20lbs total is worth the money spent on FG is another question. That hood does seem a bit heavy though, sure slams hard when you let it close itself. I'm not gonna mess witht he rack anytime soon, so i'll have to live with that one, at least i dont have to convert to manual steering, its already there. The Pinto buckets cant be heavy, but i'm still willing to bet there are lighter import seats out there. The VW Scirocco seats i like to use are 33lbs each, and they are among the heavier sport-bucket seats. I'm not desperate enough to sit in those plastic racing buckets though...

And i would never use lexan windows. To me thats where the line between street and full race is crossed... I wouldn't even put lexan on a full all-out trailer only race car. I just dont like the stuff.

Turbo74pinto, its hard to make out much from that pic, maybe if one had a stock early pinto pic right beside to compare... But this swap is starting to seem like a fairly minor hassle. I bet with a good parts car and some attention to detail i could get this daily driver pretty close to 2000lbs, or at least under 2100...

Srt

you wanna shave some weight get rid of the glass and go plastic.  better yet, pay attention to the motor & drive line and take advantage of an already light car.

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

WagonNut

I have been interested in reading posts about weight savings. I saw somewhere that fiberglass fenders were not much lighter than steel. I parted out a 77 and was surprised when I lifted off the fenders. They are not heavy. I think that the glass hood would make a difference.Lose the latch and use hood pins. That would make solve the issue with converting to an earlier front end. More on weight savings... use a 2 bolt steering rack if you have a 3 bolt. The racks are interchangeable and save a bit of weight.Glass racing seats are another.

turbo74pinto

my 74 is converted to small bumpers.  it was done by someone years ago.  the radiator lower crosmemeber on 74+ cars gets in the way of the early valance panel.  a sideways "I" was cut in the valance for clearance.  the rear lower valance panel hits the rear spring shackles so clearance needed to be made for those.  you have to look close at the front end pic but youll see it. 





bob
Take a job big or small, do it right or not at all.

Pale Roader

Quote from: discolives78 on July 11, 2009, 11:18:16 PM
IIRC: The earlier cars had either no crossbeam in the door or a smaller crossbeam in the door. This would save weight but may compromise safety in a T-bone accident.

Heh heh... my other car is a 68 hearse, 6000lb all-steel tank that is specifically banned from demo derbies (along with Imperials), my car before that was a 71 Fury, my SMALL SPORTY car was a 72 Charger... as far as i'm concerned, even the latest, heaviest, biggest Pinto wagon is a total death trap. As far as i'm concerned, driving a Pinto in open traffic is no less dangerous than a motorbike... so door impact beams and bigger bumpers seem to me like putting a helmet on before you jump off a tall building. Might as well shave weight!

QuoteThe 77-78 bumpers combined drop almost 100 pounds from the 74-76 cars.

WOW... i had heard that the 74-76 bumpers weigh 140lbs, or even shave 140lbs off swapping the earlier ones, which is true i dont know. But you saying this... WOW. I'm popping them suckers off tomorrow!!! My car was 2400 even on the local scale... i bet i'm a helluva a lot closer to 2200 without 'em.

QuoteThe hood from the 74-78 cars bolts to the hinges on the 72, but the radiator support and latch are different (earlier model latch is on the hood, no cable. late model is on the radiator support).

Well, until i source some quality fiberglass parts (not flimsy racing ones) i might just use the earlier stuff EVERYWHERE i can swap it. The earlier hood must weigh less, even less with some work i bet. You think there is a way to use the 71 hood on my 76 AND keep the remote hood-latch? I wont be affording FG any time soon anyways.

QuoteThere were a few places Ford looked for weight savings as 'fuel economy' became the buzzword around Detroit. If you're looking for weight savings, here are a few things you could delete to shave pounds:

Passenger door mirror
Bright trim around side windows, wheelwells, rocker panels
Radio, antenna and speaker(s)
Cigarette lighter
Any air conditioning components(if you're not using it, or it doesn't work)This one adds up!
Back seat (common in drag cars)

Done, done, done, done, done, and done. Plus more already. I had the interior panels out, but they weighed A POUND  a piece... might as well leave 'em in. Back seat belts, jack and spare, some underhood stuff, sound deadener, ANYTHING not in use... already gone. ALL the trim is off, even emblems (and EVERYONE asks what the hell it is.... haha). If i get a good parts car i'll do bumpers, doors, hood, fenders, valences, grille (likely not lighter, but cooler lookin'). My wheel and tire combo is probably heavier, but small tires are against my religion. At least my rims are aluminum and on the lighter side. A full exhaust (aftermarket header, 2 1/4" pipe, Borla, no cat, etc.) sounds like it would be a tad lighter, depending on what that exhaust manifold looks like. The smog stuff will disappear...

Gotta get this thing as light as possible before i start adding weight (bigger tires yet, subframes and other welding, heavier duty suspension pieces, bodywork, etc). Maybe a T5 swap over my stock 4spd will save some weight? i dont know.

QuoteDepends on your intended use for the car.

There are fibreglass front end parts, dashes, hatches, trunks and bumpers available for the Pinto, but that could add a chunk to the price tag.

Fiberglass is on the list, but not for a while. While small and relatively undesirable, i bet the rarity drives the price up. Right before i bought this car i missed a set ov quality FG fenders and hood for a couple hundred. Dammit...

Pale Roader

Quote from: popbumper on July 10, 2009, 01:25:49 PM
  I would say you are probably correct. My '76 wagon has the BIG steel bumper inserts (which I had to sandblast, they were SO rusty), and a whole bunch of extra smog equipment (MPG version), including the famed smog pump and all associated hardware. This stuff adds an amazing amount of weight, no doubt, unlike the earlier cars that had small bumpers (no need for massive inserts), and no smog equipment).

Are you saying there was MORE smog stuff on the MPG model? or on the 76 in general (which would be obvious). I would imagine the MPG would have less smog stuff than normal if they could get away with it.

My bumpers and inserts are very rusty also, not that i need another reason to drop 'em. Hell, my whole car is pretty rusty (well, fenders and quarters), i doubt anyone else would put the money into it. Fortunately, i like ugly cars (as in, badass looking). The rust holes and bondo bulges dont concern me all that much. Thats why flat black spray bombs were invented...

Pale Roader

Quote from: phils toys on July 10, 2009, 09:03:34 AM
another option would be 78 bumpers  all aluminum  no core support like my 76 my 9 yr old 65 pound boy can cary one by him self I dont know any thing about the steal being any thicker or thinner 71 "s goal was to be a 2000 pound car but they did not stay  engine got bigger, as well as saftey regulations requiring bugger bumpers and more smog equipment if my memory serves me correct 76 was the heavest
phil

That figures... BUT... thats also a good thing. If 76 is the fattest, then it also has the most to lose.

I should add though that it is not just the weight savings i'm interested in. I just dont like the look ov those later bumpers, the 71-3 cars look so much better i think. I want to make my 76 look like a 71, and going beyond that i'm gonna shave whatever i can off ov those 71 parts... even the lightest stuff can be lightened. Bumper brackets are a good place to start.

blupinto

If Jimmy cracked corn and nobody cared why'd he keep doing it? ...

BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT NEEDED TO BE DONE ANYWAY! lol.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's a gorgeous picture of Buttercup with that glorious sunset as the backdrop.
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

IIRC: The earlier cars had either no crossbeam in the door or a smaller crossbeam in the door. This would save weight but may compromise safety in a T-bone accident. The 77-78 bumpers combined drop almost 100 pounds from the 74-76 cars. The hood from the 74-78 cars bolts to the hinges on the 72, but the radiator support and latch are different (earlier model latch is on the hood, no cable. late model is on the radiator support). There were a few places Ford looked for weight savings as 'fuel economy' became the buzzword around Detroit. If you're looking for weight savings, here are a few things you could delete to shave pounds:

Passenger door mirror
Bright trim around side windows, wheelwells, rocker panels
Radio, antenna and speaker(s)
Cigarette lighter
Any air conditioning components(if you're not using it, or it doesn't work)This one adds up!
Back seat (common in drag cars)

Depends on your intended use for the car.

There are fibreglass front end parts, dashes, hatches, trunks and bumpers available for the Pinto, but that could add a chunk to the price tag.

Just thoughts... :)

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

popbumper

Phil:

  I would say you are probably correct. My '76 wagon has the BIG steel bumper inserts (which I had to sandblast, they were SO rusty), and a whole bunch of extra smog equipment (MPG version), including the famed smog pump and all associated hardware. This stuff adds an amazing amount of weight, no doubt, unlike the earlier cars that had small bumpers (no need for massive inserts), and no smog equipment).

  Enough of an argument for additional horsepower, thank you  :P

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

phils toys

another option would be 78 bumpers  all aluminum  no core support like my 76 my 9 yr old 65 pound boy can cary one by him self I dont know any thing about the steal being any thicker or thinner 71 "s goal was to be a 2000 pound car but they did not stay  engine got bigger, as well as saftey regulations requiring bugger bumpers and more smog equipment if my memory serves me correct 76 was the heavest
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pale Roader

Haha, well, maybe its been asked once or twice before...

What EXACTLY is involved with swapping 71-73 front clip onto my 76? I've read a few posts about them not easily fitting, but can anyone tell me exactly what i'm in for? I HAVE seen this done. I was chasing a local 71 Pinto for almost a year before i finally caught up with the owner and he said it was actually a 76, but he installed a 71 front end (whole clip or just bumpers, i didn't think to ask at the time). He also installed a 71 rear bumper and valence. For all intents and purposes it looked like a 71. This guy didn't strike me as a particularly bright guy, so i couldn't have been THAT difficult...

I wanted a 74-76 Pinto because it has the Mustang 2 suspension, and i intend on road racing this thing someday. The easier V8 swap is a bonus too. I just hate the bumpers and need to lighten this thing up.

Another question: i read somewhere that the sheet metal used on Pintos (or general construction) got heavier in 74 as well. Essentially, the earlier cars were flimsier. If thats the case, thats another reason for the swap... lighter fenders and hood? One could also assume that a pair ov 71-73 doors would be lighter than my 76 doors?

I'm already looking for a 71-73 parts car, now i'm just thinking i should pull more than the front clip and rear bumper off. Doors, trunk-lid even?

Can anyone here confirm this stuff...?? ??