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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Need help with wiring ID for radio!!!

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pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on April 11, 2009, 10:57:43 PM
Hmmm.. I guess I'll have to check eBay then. The junkyards around me only have newer cars in them. I guess I just need to move to california lmao. Nah, my GLHT & Pinto would prolly fail inspection & that would be bad.

Yah, I just really lucked out on this one!!!


The smog law is the reason we decided to scrap the 77 Pinto. It was not worth getting a brake, light and smog inspection to get it revived, and then it would have a junk slip on top of all that!! Just not worth it! It will live on in others!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Hmmm.. I guess I'll have to check eBay then. The junkyards around me only have newer cars in them. I guess I just need to move to california lmao. Nah, my GLHT & Pinto would prolly fail inspection & that would be bad.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Well, when I tested the booster to see if it worked, I could tell a difference in the volume of the radio. The way I have it hooked into the car, the speakers that are hooked to it, are not hooked to the player directly. So no sound comes out of those speakers till I actually turn on the booster. The other smaller speakers have sound coming out of them at all times but they are not hooked to the booster. I didn't want to run all 4 speakers on the booster, but truthfull, I probably could have as it isn't as powerful as a 250 watt!!! LOL

I hooked things up that way because the 8 track is set up for only 2 speakers. I hooked the 2 "front" speakers into the "input side of the booster, so they wouldn't be boosted. Then I hooked the 2 back speakers to the output side of the booster.

The only thing I noticed, that I didn't notice before, is it seems that the 8 track tapes, at times, seem to have background songs, like a song is bleeding through. You can hear it when the song is ending and getting quiter, kinda like you are hearing the song on the other side of the tape, per say! Not sure if that was there before and I just didn't hear it because I only had 2 cheapy old speakers.

Another thing I am kind currious about. With the 8 track, it wants the speakers grounded to the car. I did this on the front speakers and the input side of the booster. On the output side, I hooked the ground to the ground wires and the positive to the positive wires on the booster, I did not ground these to the car. I did go to the back and tried grounding the speaker to the car, without disconnecting anything, and it just turned the speaker off. I didn't try disconecting the ground off the speaker, and then putting a ground wire to the car though. The reason I mention this is, I'm wondering if because I hooked the wires to the booster, the way the booster calls for, insted of how the 8track calls for, could this be causing my "bleeding" through of music?? Or, is it just because the 8 tracks are old? LOL Confusing huh?? LOL  So, on the input side I have all the ground wires tied together and grounded to the car. On the output side I have the ground wires from the booster hooked to the ground wires on the speakers!


Forgot to answer your question. I found the Booster at a PnP, it was in a Pinto!! LOL Not sure if you can buy these new or not. I needed something with out RCA jacks, and I'm not sure if they still make booster without the RCA jacks!!  Now that I think about it, when I install my cassette deck, it has RCA jacks! LOL So I guess I could hide a bigger amp in the back somewhere! That is if I don't change my mind on installing that deck!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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r4pinto

Kim, I like how you have the radio setup. Does that booster really help and where can I find one?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Thanks for the offer on the AM radio. I think I will go with the non working AM radio for looks until after Knotts, then I will put my cassette deck in there. It will work out better with it in the long run anyway. The way I have it set up right now, you can't put the car in park when the 8track to cassette adapter is in the player!! LOL And it will probably have a better sound then the way I am running things now! LOL I just used some speakers we had laying around and I think they may be somewhat bad. I'm going to go to Best Buy and get some new 6x9's before next weekend to see if I can get a better sound. Course I guess you can't expect to much from an 8 track and a 40 watt amp!!! LOL  I'm used to 250 watt and up amps!! LOL

Here is what it looks like now!!


I'm hoping that once I buy the new 6x9s, I will at least be able to turn it up a bit louder then what I can now without it distorting the speakers!! I'll probably go buy them Monday after work and will report back then!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Feel better Gerhard. Kim, he knows his stuff & I'm sure he can get ya taken care of.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TIGGER

If you are interested, I believe I have a couple early Philco Am radio's.  When I feel better (sick with a cold) I will dig them out and see if they are still working.
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Mike Modified

Quote from: pintogirl on April 11, 2009, 03:04:30 PM

I would install my Kenwood cassette deck, but I am going for the "period" look.  ;D

Thanks again for the help!!!

According to Wikipedia: From the mid 1970s to the late 1990s the cassette deck was the preferred music source for the automobile.

It would have been very common for a second or third owner to take a newly-purchased two-, three-, or four-year-old car and update it with the latest stuff, such as a cassette player.  I think that an older "clunky looking" cassette player would be "period correct" for you.

Mike

pintogirl

First off I need to thank you all for your help!! You guy's are great!!

Today I went to the wrecking yard in search of the plug I needed, but to no avail! So when I got home I took the am radio out of the grey car. Once it was out, I then realized the radio I was going to install was not the right radio for the Pinto. Well, atleast for the Pinto I have!! LOL  The correct AM radio for my car is the one that only has one hot wire and the speaker wire.

I tested the radio that I had just pulled out of the grey car, and it comes on, but no sound. So I figured I would just rig some wiring up to put the "wrong" am radio. Well, I decided to test it, even though I though it worked when I pulled it out of my  Green Machine. It doesn't!

So, long story short. I am going to just install the 'correct' AM radio, that doesn't work either, into the Pinto just for looks. I will then hook up the underdash 8 track so I will actually still have music.! I can look for an AM radio that works, later down the road!!

I would install my Kenwood cassette deck, but I am going for the "period" look.  ;D

Thanks again for the help!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: TIGGER on April 10, 2009, 11:33:46 PM
I believe the 72 beater I had last year had a plug from under the dash that the radio plugged into.  If someone installed an aftermarket radio into your car, chances are the plug was cut to make the install easier.  

In your third picture it looks like there is a left over harness from an aftermarket radio.  The plug has a red ACC flag on the red wire and the plug housing has a 1804 number.  I would maybe trace the wires off that plug and see if you can find the correct ones to the radio.

Yes, that is an aftermarket radio plug! I left it there till I can re install my other radio and equipment!! They have the ACC wire going into the white and purple plug in the pic above. They have the yellow power wire for that plug, plugged into the fuse at the fuse panel. There is no other wires, that I can see, that have the apperance of being cut to install that aftermarket radio. That is the confusing part. You would think I would be able to find the "original" radio wires, even if they did cut the "original" plug off!!

I am correct on thinking that "if" original, there would be a plug opposite of the pictured above radio plug, in the dash somewhere, right? There wouldn't be 2 seperate singe plugs that plug into that 1 dual prong plug on the radio??? What I'm trying to ask is, could the original have the white and purple plug going to the blue and red (light) prong, and then have another plug that went to the power prong???

I'm going to PnP tomorrow, and they had a later model Pinto out there, I will try to see if I can get the plug off of it, if it is still in the dash!!! That will help too. I don't want to have to cut the plug off of the radio!! I know that would be the easiest way! LOL But I am trying to keep it as original as possible!!  :) If I can find that plug, atleast I will have the wires to run to a hot, and then to a headlight wire (which may be another topic to talk about!!! LOL)

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

TIGGER

Quote from: pintogirl on April 10, 2009, 11:07:12 PM
Would you agree that most likely there was a plug in the dash that matched that of the radio?? That is what is confusing me. There doesn't seem to be any type of radio plug or wires hanging loose under there! Just the ones I have in the pics above are hanging in there.

If the light for the radio is supposed to come on with the headlights, I will try to look up under the steering wheel more, to see what wires my be heading toward the radio from the area of the headlight switch!!!


I believe the 72 beater I had last year had a plug from under the dash that the radio plugged into.  If someone installed an aftermarket radio into your car, chances are the plug was cut to make the install easier.  

In your third picture it looks like there is a left over harness from an aftermarket radio.  The plug has a red ACC flag on the red wire and the plug housing has a 1804 number.  I would maybe trace the wires off that plug and see if you can find the correct ones to the radio.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

r4pinto

LMAO!!!!

Thanks Kim, I needed that. To be honest I didn't even think about that, even though I know you have three other Pintos, not including the Pinto in a box. If you were out here I would tackle the wiring, as I LOVE car electrical. Harold II is proof of that  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

I'm hopefully going to be glad you bought them too!! LOL

I would have went to the Green Machine and looked at it, but I have radio already in there, so I didn't want to pull it out1! LOL In fact, that is the car the radio came out of, so I bet the plug is in there too! LOL I can't remember now if I unpluged it or not. I know it did work. Hmmm, thinking about it now, I may have to go pull that radio so I can see where the wires are! Duh, didn't think about that!! LOL

Ok, you guy's just witnessed a blonde moment!! LOL Forgot all about the radio coming out of the Green Machine!! Hey, but at least it gave you all something to think about!! LOL  Oh, and to kinda defend my blonde moment a bit, I did go upstairs and look at the dash from the yellow donor pinto, but didn't see anything, it had newer style Ford radio in it, not original though! LOL On another note, it had a underdash cassette player installed in it. I could install that under the 8 track player!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Lol, that would be good if it is. My car is a 77, and the wires match both my 78 & 76 books so it could be the same color. Glad my dollar books helped you some. Good thing I got them from Carlisle last year.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on April 10, 2009, 10:59:50 PM
OK Kim, here goes nothing.

According to the wiring diagrams for a 1976 the Hot wire for the radio is a yellow with a black tracer. That wire runs to the fuse. On the 76 it is fuse 3. I'm not sure what fuse number it is on your car but that will give you some idea. Like Tigger said the radio grouds through the bracket, so you just need to run a wire to ground from the back of the radio if you don't have the bracket.

The illumination is a blue with red tracer.

I don't know if the colors are the same on your year but figure this might help you out.

Ok, that is what I was thinking the blue and red wire was!! Thanks for the confirmation!!!

I will go look at the fuse panel tomorrow to see what I can see! I will look for the yellow and black wire.

I do have the bracket so I can ground it to the car! I will need to be grounding the 8 track speakers and amp too, so I could always make a wire to ground the radio, if my bracket doesn't reach, like I think it will!! LOL

Thanks for the tips on the wire colors. I hope that the 72 is the same as yours!!!  :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: TIGGER on April 10, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
So if I remember correctly, the there are two power wires to the radio.  One is to power the radio and the other is for the light when the headlights are on.  The radio grounds to the dash when the rear bracket is used to secure it to the dash.  If you do not have the bracket, you will most likely have to run a ground wire.  It is hard for me to remember/ tell which wires are for the radio from the pics.  I would maybe ohm out the spare wires to see which ones are which.  The power wire for the radio has to power on and off with the key.  The light wire will only power on when the headlights are on.  I hope this helps some.

Ok, that kinda makes since. Without going back out and looking at the radio, I beleive the blue and red wire does go back to a light or something, I know it kinda makes a loop back into the radio!! So that would mean the black wire is the hot for the power of the radio.

Would you agree that most likely there was a plug in the dash that matched that of the radio?? That is what is confusing me. There doesn't seem to be any type of radio plug or wires hanging loose under there! Just the ones I have in the pics above are hanging in there.

If the light for the radio is supposed to come on with the headlights, I will try to look up under the steering wheel more, to see what wires my be heading toward the radio from the area of the headlight switch!!!




Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

OK Kim, here goes nothing.

According to the wiring diagrams for a 1976 the Hot wire for the radio is a yellow with a black tracer. That wire runs to the fuse. On the 76 it is fuse 3. I'm not sure what fuse number it is on your car but that will give you some idea. Like Tigger said the radio grouds through the bracket, so you just need to run a wire to ground from the back of the radio if you don't have the bracket.

The illumination is a blue with red tracer.

I don't know if the colors are the same on your year but figure this might help you out.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TIGGER

So if I remember correctly, the there are two power wires to the radio.  One is to power the radio and the other is for the light when the headlights are on.  The radio grounds to the dash when the rear bracket is used to secure it to the dash.  If you do not have the bracket, you will most likely have to run a ground wire.  It is hard for me to remember/ tell which wires are for the radio from the pics.  I would maybe ohm out the spare wires to see which ones are which.  The power wire for the radio has to power on and off with the key.  The light wire will only power on when the headlights are on.  I hope this helps some.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

r4pinto

Kim,

My car has the original wiring under the dash but I don't know if it will be the same being a 77. It is 11:51 pm here in Ohio so I can't look at it at the moment lol. Anyways I can take a look tomorrow, but will take a quick look at the Ford Pinto wiring diagram books for 1976 & also the 1978 to see what I can find. I'll post my results.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Hey you wiring guru's!!! I need some assistance with some wire identification!!!

What I have in this pic is the AM radio. The cut wires are speaker wires. I know this because they match up with the speaker wires hanging under the dash!! :) The plug is the power to the radio.


Simple enough right? Not when it comes to a hacked wiring system under the dash!! LOL Of course, the only thing I can't find is the power plug for the radio under there!!

In this pic. you see the speaker plug bottom right, but what is the white and purple wired plug? 2 wires are going to that one plug. One is purple and white and the other just white (I think? LOL) The PO has hacked into it and has the ACC wire to a CD Player hooked to it!



The next pic is a plug that comes from the glove box side. It has a hot wire tied into it and also a wire that goes to that plug you can see way towards the back. I believe that is going to the cig. lighter! What does that plug go too???



Last queston, no pic though!! LOL  IF the original wiring is intact, where would the radio underdash plug be comeing from?? I can't find any wires that match the color of the wires on that radio. In fact, the wires you see in the pics are the only loose wires comeing from under the dash.

I appreciate any help!! I am trying to get this radio back in, somewhat the correct way!! If all else fails though, I will just use the "Hot" wire from the CD Player that has been pushed into the fuse box! Oh, speaking of, the plug you see in that last pic that has the ACC tag on it, goes to the cd player. I havn't disconnected the wires yet. Want to make sure I am ready to reninstall everything before I do so!!! :) I'm very forgetfull and this helps me remember where the speaker wires and such are!! LOL

Thanks
Kim
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