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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

What a day!

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dga57

No Sir, not at all!
Your car is so hot, and mine is so meek and mild, that we can both participate in the same show and still have essentially the "only one there" :lol:!  I'm probably not going to be show-ready until late summer, if then.  Finding the time to work on my car is the problem.  My wife's health has deteriorated steadily for the past two years and I'm spending more and more of my time taking care of her.  I might see you at the shows, though, with one of my Lincolns.  I'll be the dude taking up four parking spaces ;D.
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

71pintoracer



While I still have my Lincoln, along with a '79 Continental Mark V, I'm hoping the '72 Pinto will put us back into that "only one in the show" category. 

Dwayne :smile:
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So...does that mean we should call one another before going to a show so we both don't show up at the same one?  :lol:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dave1987

CarlHarris is his name here, Carl is who he introduced himself to me as. I looked up him on the member's map and sure enough, I found him in Nampa! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Turbo Toy

So, who is this person that you met and what is his name on fordpinto.com?

dga57

Sounds like you had a great day, Dave.  You mentioned not wanting to be the only Pinto at car shows... I kind of have the opposite feeling on that, and it's one of the things that led me into my Pinto purchase. 

About four years ago, I bought a '79 Lincoln Continental Collector's Series.  The car had been one-owner for the first 23 years, and then in the hands of LCOC members/collectors since.  Its condition is, in a word, magnificent.  Anyway... when we hit the car shows in the spring of 2006, we were the one and only Lincoln showing in every one we went to.  As such, it got lots of attention.  Apparently, however, I started a trend because at the last show we attended it was one of four Lincolns on display.  Fortunately, they are all different, but it still affected the exclusivity of owning something unusual. 

While I still have my Lincoln, along with a '79 Continental Mark V, I'm hoping the '72 Pinto will put us back into that "only one in the show" category.  Judging from the reaction it gets on the road (even in its current sorry cosmetic condition) I suspect it will garner more attention than anything I've ever owned.  People can't seem to refrain from smiling when they see a Pinto!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

I have been approaching people with older vehicles and commenting on them for awhile, but I have never met a fellow Pinto owner who is as much into the car and the hobby of working with it as we here in the club are. It's great to know you arn't all alone in the state. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

It's great to meet 'like minded' people! Great that you got to spend time chatting and seeing some other cool rides up close!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

Very cool! Wish I could have days like yours!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Today started with me trying to figure out the source of a loud ticking sound from under my hood. It sounded like my alternator bearing was going out again, so I went to schucks to have it tested. Came out fine. I took the belt off of the smog pump and sure enough, it went away! So off I went to the junk yard to find a replacement smog pump!

Upon pulling in, I noticed a man getting his tools out of the trunk of his 76 Mustang II Ghia, which was in GREAT shape and looking like eye candy! So I approached him commenting his Mustang and how much I admired it. He thanked me and we started talking about it. He had just purchased it about 8 months ago and was having issues getting it to idle. He then asked me if I was interested in buying. I said I may be, depending on how much he was asking for it. He said he paid $650 for it and said he would want at least that much if his wife makes him sell it. I gave him my contact info and told him to call me should he need to sell it. Then we went on about the performance of his little 2.3L motor and he asked if I would take a look at it for him. He popped the hood, and the first thing I noticed was no vacuum lines at all. I pointed out that he should at least put a hose from the vacuum source on the intake manifold and run it to the distributor advance, and that it should solve his dying and rough idle as long as there are no vacuum leaks. He thanked me and I told him to give me a call if he would like any other help with the car or piecing together the vacuum lines. I also recommended him to visit our forums here at fordpinto.com to gain further information about his 2.3L motor, as we all seem to have something very helpful to say, regardless of the car the motor is in! We then parted ways, shaking hands, thanking eachother, and exchanging names once more.

Once I was in the junk yard, I proceeded to the older vehicles to pull the oil dip-stick and tube, as well as the brake proportioning valve from teh 77 Bobcat I have been parting out, just to have around as spares. Once I got to the check out, I ran into the Mustang II owner again and we said our hi's and goodbyes, as well as commenting on our junk yard finds. I paid for my items and was on my way to close a criagslist deal.

Once I pulled into the park and we started the exchange, we instantly started talking about the Pinto, as well as HIS pinto! We chatted on and on about our restoration techniques and finds for about 30 minutes, then he asked if I would like to stop by his place to see his '76 he has been working on. I agreed and we headed down to his place. We chatted about his Pinto and his Pinto history, lots of more Pinto talk and a little more Pinto talk for about two and a half hours before parting ways. Carl also gave me a full list of car shows for Idaho this year as well as an upcoming swap meet brochure. Carl, is actually a member here at FordPinto.com, and his current Pinto and past bobcat are registered cars! The whole experience was wonderful, meeting another club member and owner here in Idaho, not far from where I live! From the way our conversations went, I think we are both very excited to start going to car shows and not having to be the ONLY Pinto there! This will be my first year for any car shows and I am very excited to be able to share it with another Pinto member. I think having more than one at shows will have a greater impact on the Pinto footprint in Idaho! I hope Carl decides to post here more often and share some valuable information he has on Pinto motor modifications and the like. He has some great info on V8 motor mount modification and semi-stock 2.3L performance mods. I am very pleased to have the opportunity to share my day with a fellow PCCA member!


EDIT: For the craigslist deal, Carl sold me a front valance from a 77/78 panel wagon, and a 2.3L tube header. I will be cleaning up and painting the valance for installing hopefully within the next few weeks, and the header will be going on when I have my exhaust system rebuilt and muffler upgrade.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!