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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

any one with a diesel engined Pinto/Bobcat out there?

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Quote from: 78pinto on May 14, 2006, 10:22:14 AM
if someone does a powerstroke swap.....they will be my new HERO!
this was my thought as i was reading though this thread and got a good laugh when i read some one post my thought
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Gregg

ford made a industrail 2300 looking diesel motor . i saw one in a comerical wood  chipper that a tree company had. i have been looking for one , this would will solve most of the transplant problems .

pintoguy76

i've recently talked about a 6.2 or turbo 6.2 diesel into a pinto. Hell of a deal but imagine the mileage, AND the power. 6.2 is a slug in a truck but with a turbo they are 200hp and almost 400ft lb and 20mpg. set that in a 2000# car with high gears...wow.
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It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

pintoches

Quote from: goodolboydws on April 08, 2006, 11:52:47 AM


I was just thumbing through an old Petersen's "Complete  Book of Pinto", (published 1975!!!)and came across an article about a man with a California firm named Wilcap Company that was doing diesel engine transplants into PINTOS back then. 



sorry to bring back the dead,  BUT I'm thinking about doing a turbo diesel swap.

does anyone have this book still i would love to buy a copy
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pinto_chris

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but with most diesels you can run them off of vegtable oil ( new or used) with a second tank and tank heater. Check this out, it describes doing it with a mercedes diesel http://www.noendpress.com/caleb/biodiesel/index.php .
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  hey I like being different! stop laughing now damn it or I'll sick the penguins on you !

77turbopinto

The numbers I said WERE the DIFFERENCE between the fuel costs, and I did talk about this in theory (please review).

I made a simple statement about cost recovery, and I get the feeling that you are trying to prove it wrong by tossing a bunch of new variables into the mix, and twisting my words. Agree or not, fine, but what is stated is my opinion based on MY first-hand knowledge of things that I have done. It cost me about 2K in "ancillary parts" (pinto and donor t/c NOT included) to do my pinto swap, not counting the parts I made myself; I know it could very easily be more money to do the diesel thing.

I mentioned the cost of keeping the pinto on the road, because IF someone DID this swap they MIGHT drive the car FAR MORE than they would have before (to save on fuel cost and get the cost recovery).

Good luck with your swap,
Bill
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goodolboydws

Bill,

We're talking theoretical stuff here mostly, but even with that proviso,

the only way that I can see a diesel engine CONVERSION to a Pinto costing $5000, would be if you started without either a viable car and need to bring one up to snuff first, then wanted a NEW diesel engine, instead of using a reasonably priced rebuilt or one from a low mileage wreck, or couldn't locate a suitable donor vehicle for both the engine and transmission and had to do mix and match between the 2 from 2 vehicles, instead of doing a simpler driveshaft conversion and  didn't do any of the work yourself.  Of course, I don't live in (Connecticut?), and I really don't know how high the used car market is, or what engines, transmissions and machine shop rates are up there.

BTW, it's only the DIFFERENCE between the end product diesel engined car and a similar car with a gasoline engine is the cost that would have to be "earned back" from fuel savings, so unless you truly believe that such a vehicle would cost $5000 MORE than a stocker type, the amortization period (payback or break even time in this case) would be much shorter than your example.

And, it wouldn't be a fair comparison to take a blown 2.0L or 2.3L engine and a transmission that is shot for example, and replace them with a $2-3000 diesel engine, and a $1000  transmission without figuring in what a comparable condition 2.0L or 2.3L and a comparable trans WOULD HAVE cost, and subtracting those prices from the prices of the "exotic" stuff.

And you'd also have to be ignoring all of those Pinto parts that you mentioned as being needed to help keep the rest of the car on the road, as those same (or least by and large same parts) would be needed no matter what engine was powering the vehicle. 

77turbopinto

Yes, I know I said $900. a year with THOSE #'s; That was just a GUESSTIMATE ratio. The ACCTUAL cost to build the will be needed to determine just how "quickly" the initial investment will be paid back. I can see that it could take well over $5000. to do this swap AND have a very dependable car. Based on the #'s I used, and IF it is a $5000. investment, it would take 5.5 years or 55K miles, whichever comes first just to "break-even"  (with all else equal, not to mention that good used pinto parts are needed to help keep the rest of the car on the road, and they are not getting any easier to find).

IF someone has a good diesel hanging around great, but if they don't, and have to BUY a junk one and re-build it, or BUY a good used one, it can get expensive. There is still the matter of adapting it to a pinto tranny or using the one from the diesel, not to mention that there is a long list of ancillary parts needed, some available, some need to be fabricated (time = money). Getting a running engine very cheap might lead to trouble (not too far) down the road.

This swap is different, that is why I like it. If someone does it I hope they get even more out of it than good fuel savings (like fun with the build).


Bill
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bobcatkmaynard

The engine to use for that conversion would be the BMW powerplant that came in the Fox bodied Lincoln.  I don't know the displacement or much of anything else about it.  I do know that it's a straight 6 turbo that seemed to fit easily into the Fox chassis.  I've seen a few in the yards.  This actually makes my imagination wander...how about that engine in a Mustang.  It would be extremely weird, original, and an easy swap...I would guess.

Ken

goodolboydws

Hey Dave, I figured that SOMEONE on this site must have done it. Cool.

Bill, using your own figures, even with both gas and diesel at the same $3.00 per gallon and 10K miles per year, that would save $900 each year on fuel. If someone did a more serious amount of driving with it, even more per year. Wouldn't take too long to pay the swap back at that rate, (especially if someone did part of the work themselves) and most people who are interested in having diesel engines in cars tend to be in it for the long term anyway.

Now, how about a TURBO diesel Pinto? Not really practical at all, but what a conversation piece.

Original74

I put a diesel engine in a Pinto in 1980. I acquired a brand new Isuzu 4 cylinder, 60 HP naturally aspirated engine from a Cummins dealer. My donor car was my 1974 sedan I bought new and put about 110,000 miles on. Didn't have to get rid of the gas engine, just wanted a diesel.

I did it all wrong, front sump oil pan that I couldn't turn around, cut the crossmember, built a new one under it and placed the rack about 4 inches lower than original. Those of you know front end geometry know the rest of that story!

Finally got it running, steering, 4-speed from Chevy Luv. This thing was a tractor. Pulled a 2000 pound pop-up camping trailer with it. Got 40 MPG on the highway!

I wish I could get ahold of a VW Jetta TDI today, that would be a nice setup. Not fast, but economical.

Not enough for me to change my mind on project 2.3 turbo swap though! With a T5, 3:55 8 inch rear, should get close to 30 MPG on the highway with no trouble.

Just thought I would share my experience. You think Pinto's are fun to drive today, try pulling one up to the truck pumps and begin fueling it with diesel! Folks come running up to you...."son, you can't put diesel in a Pinto!"

Dave
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77turbopinto

Quote from: earthquake on May 03, 2006, 07:30:31 AM
I have the same book.A very interesting swap but very expensive.

Well stated.

Kool idea, but if you figure how much it will cost for this swap, but even with gas prices now, how many miles would you have to drive the car to get your money back? If my numbers are correct, if you dirve the car 10K miles a year, at 20MPG it will take 500 gallons and at $3. a gallon, that is $1500. For the same 10K miles at 50 MPG it will take 200 gallons, about $600. All the custom parts, to do it to save money just makes no sense unless you can do the swap very cheap and/or plan to drive the car.

I have the same book, that is neet, but lots of time and money.

Bill
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earthquake

I have the same book.A very interesting swap but very expensive.
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goodolboydws


I'm wondering if anyone currently has a diesel sipping Pinto. If so, congratulations, and I hope that you didn't have to do all the work as a start from scratch deal.  If you're thinking about doing something similar, check this out:

I was just thumbing through an old Petersen's "Complete  Book of Pinto", (published 1975!!!)and came across an article about a man with a California firm named Wilcap Company that was doing diesel engine transplants into PINTOS back then.  He was using a 4 cylinder Nissan engine of the era, one with a 22:1 compression ratio. He also had other versions being done, including 6 cylinder ones with a turbo

The article details a thorough conversion, including a relocated, truck accessed, much larger fuel tank (over 25gal!!), adding additional reinforcing frame cross members, moving motor mounts, clutch mating work, and relocating the front sway bar. The up front weight also increased by about 200#, so he was using Mustang ll springs to replace the stockers.

With gas being  headed for almost as high now (after being adjusted for inflation) as it was in the gas crunch of the 70's, a funky car that was already getting 70mpg. in 1975 (you read that right) even with the added weight from the conversion,  may be of more than passing interest to some people once again.