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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Vacuum Advance and year model?

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pintogirl

Update.  We checked the timing and it is now in time!! But, still same problem!

Tomorrow I am going to rob Peter (grey pinto) to pay Paul (green machine) LOL.  I will pull the carberator that was actually being used a few months ago, from the grey pinto and put it on the green machine. If that works, I can rebuild the other carb later.  I plan on pulling the motor out of the grey car anyway, so there is no hurry on that one!!

I will let you guy's know how it goes tomorrow!  :smile:

Oh, and your right on the dirt! I had to blow mouse poop away from the spark plug holes before I could remove the plugs!!!
Kim
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r4pinto

To be honest the carb has probably not been rebuilt before. You might want to go ahead & rebuild the carb. There could be some dirt in there that could be causing part of your problem. On my 77 I was having similar problems & it turned out to be a combo of dirt in the carb & timing being off. Make sure you follow the procedure to check the timing though.

Lots of luck.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Ok, I put in new plugs, wires, points, condenser, cap and rotor.  I set the points myself, and I'm pretty sure they are right!!! LOL  It runs good anyway!!  The only thing I havn't done yet is check the timing. I will wait for hubby to get home so he can help me!! Oh, I also checked my other pinto for the vacuum advance hookups, and mine was wrong. So I changed it to the correct way!

It still has the same problem! It runs great at idle, but as soon as you step on the gas, it boggs down! I can play with the vacuum lines and get the car to rev up, but it doesn't do it 100% of the time, while messing with the lines. I gave it throttle while looking into the carb, and I can see one jet squirt gas, but it does it once and then quits. Is it supposed to squirt the whole time you are pushing on the throttle?

I still need to do a search on the de acceleration stuff, I'm not sure what that all means. So I need to go learn about it!!

Hubby will help me work on it tonight so hopefully I can update later!!!
Kim
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Starliner

One more...

With the engine OFF.   Remove the air cleaner.  Look inside the carburetor. 
When you press the gas pedal or accelerator linkage you should see a shot of gas injected.
This is the accelerator pump circuit of the carburetor.

Also, pick up a G1 Fram gas filter and put it in line between the fuel pump & carburetor.
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Starliner

Forgot to say...

At idle when you attach the vacuum lines, the motor will slow down.   At idle you have high intake manifold vacuum and the vacuum retard on the distributor will retard the timing.    The carburetor venturi vacuum is low at idle so it is not advancing the timing.

As you increase engine speed, the intake manifold vacuum drops and the carburetor venturi vacuum increases.  As this occurs the timing is now starting to advance.   

Watch the timing marks with a timing light.  Look at it at idle, then as you increase the engine speed you should see the timing advance. 
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1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
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1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Starliner

The distributor vacuum retard port is the one closest to the distributor cap.  That vacuum line should go to the intake manifold.
The distributor vacuum advance line is the one furthest from the distributor cap.  That vacuum line goes to the carburetor.
You may need to buy some plastic vacuum line adapters to get the vacuum lines to fit if you lost your originals.
Set the timing with the vacuum lines disconnected from the distributor and plugged.

Here is another test.  Get a long piece of vacuum hose and attach to each distributor test port.  Now zoop on the one of the vacuum lines.   If the motor speeds up, that is the vacuum advance.  If the motor slows down that is the vacuum retard.

I would recommend trying to block the de-acceleration valve.  Do a search on this site, I heard they have a quick trick to do this with a penny.   I did it a different way. 

Because I did some clean-up of my exhaust manifold, exhaust system, and ignition recurve it ran a little lean.  I re-drilled the main jet to 0.052 diameter.  (if you do this, use fine oil & spin the drill at high RPMs)   The original jet was stamped 125.  It was approximately .049 diameter before I drilled it.   It suer helped driveability and did not impact my mileage. 

You may want to adjust the valves too!   It is very easy.   If the valve clearances are tight (little clearance) it will not run properly. 
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1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

pintogirl

OK,  I replaced my vacuum advance with the one that Rene sent me! (Thanks again, Rene) Bad news is, still have the problem! You step on the gas and the engine starves for fuel. One good thing, is I know the vacuum advance is good and not the problem. I did disconnect one hose off of the vacuum advance and plugged it with my finger, then I revved the engine, and it would rev up!! I did that a couple of times and it revved up pretty good each time. As soon as I connected the advance back up, it would not rev up, basically it revs down, LOL!! So I got to wondering, did I hook the vacuum lines up wrong??? I tried to look at the book I have but it doesn't show how they are supposed to be hooked up! I have the hose going from the top of the exhaust  to the small tube on the vacuum advance. The hose coming from the base of the carburetor, is hooked to the lower bigger tube on the advance. Does that sound right!! The latter hose I mentioned above, really doesn't fit the top tube of the advance, so it leads me to believe I have them hooked up right!

I have not checked the timing and also haven't given it a tune up yet. So that will be the next step with new cap, rotor, points, condenser, and plugs and wires!! I did check Napa's online store and they carry all the tune up parts, so I will be getting them Sunday! 

I do know it has a bit of a miss, so I will do the tune up before I go into anything else!  (oh, this miss is a bit more announced now that it has the new vacuum advance!) You can hear it backfire through the exhaust. Not a loud backfire just a pop once an again!

I will update as I figure things out!!  :smile:

Kim



Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Reed

Quote from: srt on November 03, 2008, 03:56:42 AM
accellerator pump?  diaphragm? leaking? squirter nozzles plugged?

Agreed that this could also be carb problems.  However, she has tested the distributor vacuum diaphragm and knows it is bad.  I say start with replacing just the diaphragm and make sure the base tmiing is correct and the advance and retard hoses are hooked up correctly.  If you still have problems, then you should start looking for vacuum leaks and rebuilding the carb.
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Srt

accellerator pump?  diaphragm? leaking? squirter nozzles plugged?

i have a story to tell about accellerator pumps not working.  for a later date
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Reed

Quote from: lugnut on November 02, 2008, 11:09:49 PM
Unfortunately, I don't think that lack of vacum advance will cause the problem you describe.  Vacuum advance is mainly for fuel economy;  I've had cars where the vac. advance was disconnected, and the car ran fine.  you will probably be looking at ignition timing, secondary ignition or carburation IMO.
mike



Wellllll, if the diaphragm is blown in the vacuum advance unit, she will have a constant vacuum leak and the timing won't advance like it should.  The driveability problems could very well be all due to the blown vacuum advance diaphragm.

Replace the diaphragm and double check the base timing.  By fixing your diaphragm you are elminiating a vacuum leak and you are getting the vacuum advance to work again.  This makes a big difference, especially on acceleration.
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

lugnut

Unfortunately, I don't think that lack of vacum advance will cause the problem you describe.  Vacuum advance is mainly for fuel economy;  I've had cars where the vac. advance was disconnected, and the car ran fine.  you will probably be looking at ignition timing, secondary ignition or carburation IMO.
mike

Quote from: pintogirl on October 31, 2008, 09:22:12 PM
The car will fall on it's face if you step on the gas. We hooked up a gauge (don't know the name of it personally) that you pump it up, and if the vacuum advance is good, it should hold the pressure. It didn't. So hubby and friend that had the tool said the vacuum advance has a hole in because it wont hold pressure!!

So you can buy a whole new distributor for the 71 from a auto parts store?

Thanks for the help so far!!!
Kim

pintogirl

Quote from: Starliner on November 02, 2008, 09:38:54 PM
For a 1600 Pinto....

You can get an electronic distributor without a vacuum advance. 
It is Mallory part number 4558101.
You will need to change the gear from your old distributor to the new one.
I have one in my 1600, it works great!  They are expensive though. 
The best price I found was through Amazon.com believe it or not!

If you need an entire rebuilt distributor, try Rockauto.com
Use their online catalog.  This is a lower cost option.

If you just need the vacuum advance, I have a brand new "old stock" vacuum advance.
You can have it for FREE if you donated & joined this site.     

Rene

I did donate!!! :)  I will PM you!!!  Thanks!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Starliner

For a 1600 Pinto....

You can get an electronic distributor without a vacuum advance. 
It is Mallory part number 4558101.
You will need to change the gear from your old distributor to the new one.
I have one in my 1600, it works great!  They are expensive though. 
The best price I found was through Amazon.com believe it or not!

If you need an entire rebuilt distributor, try Rockauto.com
Use their online catalog.  This is a lower cost option.

If you just need the vacuum advance, I have a brand new "old stock" vacuum advance.
You can have it for FREE if you donated & joined this site.     

Rene
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
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1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

Reed

If you do buy a whole new distributor, I recommend just swapping the new vacuum advance unit onto your old distributor.  I have heard nothing bud bad reports about reman distributors lately, and there is no guarantee that the reman unit has the right advance springs in it for your car.

Keep the new unit on standby, but try running the original distributor with the new vacuum advance first.  Or see if you can just get a new vacuum diaphragm.
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

r4pinto

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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

The car will fall on it's face if you step on the gas. We hooked up a gauge (don't know the name of it personally) that you pump it up, and if the vacuum advance is good, it should hold the pressure. It didn't. So hubby and friend that had the tool said the vacuum advance has a hole in because it wont hold pressure!!

So you can buy a whole new distributor for the 71 from a auto parts store?

Thanks for the help so far!!!
Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

+1.. Diagnosis of the beast always helps.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reed

If your distributor is like mine and has a vacuum advance and vacuum retard feature on the distributor, one or both may be disconnected, or hooked up backwards, or not functioning.

I say try and diagnose what is wrong first before just throwing parts at it.  You may be able to just buy a new vacuum advance unit and keep the stock distributor.

Pictures would help here.
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

r4pinto

Nope, all Pintos had the vacuum advance. I agree with Reed about what he is saying about the vacuum advance. If there is a problem with it, you might want to replace the whole distributor since it is available from what I can see. Just my $.02.

What is the car doing anyways?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reed

You want to get a vacuum advance distributor for performance and fuel economy reasons.  I have a 71 Pinto with a 2000cc motor and my distributor has both vacuum advance and retard on the distributor.

What is wrong with your distributor that makesyou suspect the vacuum is wrong?  Have you tried checking the tmiing?  Have you tested if your vacuum advance distributor is hooked up?  Have you checked if the vacuum advance pod is blown?
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

pintogirl

I just called Napa and they said that the furthest they go back for a vacuum advance is 1975 with a 2000cc motor.

Will that work on a 1600cc distributor?  If not, any suggestions on what to do for a vacuum advance? Do they sell a distributor, that doesn't need the vacuum advance? ( If I remember right, on a vw bug a .009 distributor does away with the vacuum advance) Any thing like that for a Pinto?? That is the only thing holding me back on driving my new baby!!! The Green Machine!!! LOL

Thanks!!
Kim
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www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA