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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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75bobcatv6

I dont think i have ever owned "stock cars" everythig gets modified in some way. everything from a 454 in a 67 camaro, to a 2.5l rb25det in a 1997 Nissan 200sx(they came with a GA16 1.6l)

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dholvrsn

Nine out of ten tin-worms like stock Pintos, usually seasoned with salt...
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Mike Modified

I'm very partial to modified Fords, especially since they have such great heritage.



The picture?  17-year-old Edsel Ford, 1910, in a Model T hot rod that he and his father (perhaps you've heard of him  :lol: ) built.  The Model T was introduced in 1907.

But then again, I suppose you could say that it's just a kid in a modifed late model  :afro:

Mike

Reed

I have been into cars for over half my life.  After doing modifications "just because", I now prefer to do simple modifications just for looks (like rims) and mechanical modifications just to make a system or component work better. 

For examole, in my 71 Pinto, I have gone to Pertronix electronic ignition and a Mallory coil.  This is simply to improve driveability and gas mileage.  Points ignition systems are ancient outdated technology.  Similarly, I am going to find some more comfortable seats that give me more leg room.  I am 6'4" so I need all the room possible in a Pinto, and a previous owner already swapped out the factory seats. 

If I know how to modify the gas tank to be safer, I would.  My Pinto has the Ford retrofit, but i am still a bit nervous about it.

Basically, I feel if it ain't broke, don't fix it, unless you can improve it.  Whith that philosophy, I am going to do some minor body mods to improve aerodynamics, some engine mods to improve fuel efficiency, some interior mods for more comfort and better instrumentation.
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

r4pinto

Holy crap! I can't say I blame you there on that count
Matt Manter
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Fred Morgan

r4pinto had to do it after seeing my daughters car being hit on freeway at a high speed and yes there was fuel in back seat.  Fred   :'(
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r4pinto

Yeah, I hear ya there. Regarding the gas tank, I figure if it's my time to go then I'm gonna die regardless on the safety of my gas tank. Therefor I leave it as is, but that's just me.. Doesn't make it right or wrong.  ;D
Matt Manter
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Fred Morgan

I prefer all stock. But when the engines no good and I have a free Ranger eng. you know what are you going to do, I will take free 1st. The only thing I would modifie would be fuel tank due to safetey.  Fred   :)
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discolives78

"Pinto provides the basics" one of Ford's slogans from the 70's. I like to look at stock cars, and as rare as they're getting, I'm going to put my car back to pretty much stock plus factory options that my base model didn't come with. Mine was a base model. No radio, a "glove box" in its place. That was the first thing to go. Modern tunes are nice to have. I added dual mirrors (aftermarket ones) but am going to change to factory sport mirrors. I also added blue pinstripes to the white paint because it looked too plain without them. I've had the car for five years and it is my daily driver, so I like to be comfortable. Some modifications I regretted and changed my mind back, but with everything I changed, I thought about how easy it would be to go back to stock. Pintos are like Volkswagens, Customs are cool, and stocks are cool. It's about our cars matching our personality and our tastes. So I guess I'm in the undecided column.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

r4pinto

Currently I have my 77 sedan that I am making some changes, although quite mild. I figured if I am going to have a Pinto I will make it into what I like it to be. The changes are the interior and exterior color changes, as well as adding options to her that she didn't have including am/fm 8-track radio 4 speaker setup, maplight, rear window defroster, mustang II console, a/c front console, eventually Escort seats. Most of the people I know say I should leave her completly stock but I wnated to personalize her for me to be comfortable. I don't regret it at all but some day I might get another Pinto that I would leave completely stock. The only way I would do that though is if I could find a 1977 Ford Pinto Squire, red with red plaid interior. That is the first Pinto I knew so that's the one I always wanted.
Matt Manter
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pintogirl

I am a newbie to Pinto's, I have always wanted one way back in the back of my wants, but just now have been able to get 3!! :)  I have always, with all my older cars wanted to keep them stock!!  I have just in the last few day's purchased 2 Pintos. I plan on restoring 1 to stock conditions. The other I will play around with. Although it will be basically stock, just has more bondo then I would pefer!!! :smile:  The other of the 3 will probably become a donor car, because it looked to far gone to restore or even play with!! I will know more once I get it next weekend!!

So in short, I like to stay stock!!!

Kim
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

popbumper

Gotta agree with ya. Each has its merits. Personally, I'm just enjoying the heck out of it right now. Put the plates on it today, and drove it around the neighborhood tonite. What a blast.

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Norman Bagi

Stock is nice, modified is nicer.   Stock is cute and cuddley, modified is lean and mean.  :lol:

popbumper

OK, my turn. Pintos have always been, in my opinion, platforms on which to "expand horizons" (i.e., "modify tastefully") with paint, drivetrain, interiors, etc.

Now actually HAVING an original wagon (today), I am THRILLED that it is all original, and I can't hardly imagine modifying it. Sure - it's at best a "7" out of 10 - but it's also 32 years old, and I love it - even with white wall tires and original hubcaps.

Will I change it? At most, I'll probably return the interior to stock, do the bodywork (dents) and repaint it in the original color. I might even change the wheels. I >had< considered dropping a turbo engine into it and making it a sleeper, BUT....

Owning a piece of history is a blast. I think I will keep it stock. After all, that's perfect rationale for owning a second one - this one can be the neat, stock example, the second one can be the modified, flashy, NOS fitted racer car....

It's all good. YUP, I like them stock.

Chris
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gordie

Well, we got 19 responses and tho a couple of the answers did not pertain to the question five of you voted for stock, eight for modifications and one for both.  That is a whole lot more of you that like stock than I would have guessed and I am glad to see it.  Thanks for taking the time to respond and please continue if there are new readers or you have new thoughts.
                                             Gordie

dholvrsn

Pintos are stylish little machines, but the '70s school of smog control didn't do those little four poppers much good. Hence the feeling to upgrade to something better.

I'm surprised that Pintos weren't more popular with hot-rodders. Then again it's probably a lost cause since the almost been hunted to death for their spindles and because now that scrap iron is so valuable.
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dga57

While I certainly appreciate all the modifications Pinto owners make, and the reasons behind them, I prefer a mostly stock vehicle.  My original intention with my '72 sedan was to keep it completely stock but I have settled on a few very minor modifications.
The most obvious would be the addition of a console from a Mustang II, simply for convenience sake.  I'm also adding a walnut shift knob and have decided to stray from the stock vinyl upholstery, opting instead for a cloth and vinyl combination which should be cooler since my car does not have A/C.  My Pinto is about as basic as they come: it doesn't even have a radio... it has a delete plate instead.  Fairly rare, I would think, and I've decided to leave it as is.  It also has no bodyside mouldings but I have purchased NOS ones and plan to install those once it is painted.  I'm changing the color from brown to the '74 orange (5W) because that was the color of my original Pinto, but I'm leaving the 13" WSW tires which are mounted on standard steel wheels, with dog dish hubcaps and beauty rings.  So... to the uninformed masses, the car will appear relatively stock.  Under the hood, it's pure Pinto: 1600 cc/4 speed.  Not fast, but it runs great... like the little underpowered workhorse it is, and my intention is to leave it.  The car will seldom see more use than as a daily driver back and forth to work which, in my case, is only four miles.  I bought it to satisfy some nostalgic longings and to have something a bit "different".  I believe it will fill that bill grandly.
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Pintony

Stock Pintos will gain value as more of them are modified.

Pintony

Quote from: Pintaro on May 06, 2008, 05:41:06 PM
A Pinto is a Pinto is a Pinto.They are all cool.Customization is just an attitude adjustment.Besides you can tell alot about a person by what they do to their car.Like Pintony for instance,I think his cars are like his moods.And he has a car for every mood.What do you think Tony.Close?

Maybe...... :P

Pintony

Quote from: popbumper on May 06, 2008, 12:00:06 PM
Hey Pintony:

  You gonna be at the show in Tulsa? Hope to meet you there, Dallas is a short drive away and the family and I plan to attend and meet up with these great cars and their owners.

Chris
Hey Chris,
Yes I will be at the Tulsa meet for sure.
According to the poll vote I will be bringing my Purple 2.0 Ak Miller Turbo Pinto.
From Pintony

69GT

Yeah a little modern edge couldn't hurt. Fuel injection, 140 HP (like most modern decent 4-bangers get any way) more gear (Like 4.11s) Plus O.D. (Like .68 ) to turn your 4.11s into 2.79s on the freeway. A lot of zip and still preserves the feel of the car. My 3.55s are buzzing the motor way too high at 65-70 MPH.

turbo74pinto

i like the stock pintos.  in fact when my 74 is done, id like to get a small bumper wagon to restore to original....for the most part.  gotta have modern tunes!!  with my 74, the exterior is almost bone stock with the only changes being early bumpers and a glass hood.  id much rather have fuel injection under the hood for something im driving a lot.  to be honest, i wish the turbo 2.3 was still out in 96 and later.  id much rather have OBD II.  and the lack of od stinks.  i couldnt stand driving mine with the old 4 speed on the freeway.

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69GT

   I have a mostly stock 72 4-Speed trunk car. I think there's nothing wrong with modified or stock. My Pinto is a blast to drive but I am constantly wishing for a little more. 86 HP is definitely not enough. About 140-150 would be just right. Also like O.D. trannys to more than offset steeper rear gears.  I do want to preserve the "spirit" of the car and keep it a 4 banger. Though it might be a 2.3 instead of the 2.0.   The sound of that growling 4 cylinder as it gets into its power band is music to my ears.  :)

apintonut

man what a hard question.  i prefer "my" cars modified  to suite my needs and wants. in a muscle car (well mini muscle) but i like to see other pinto perfectly restored and with every year that goes buy that is harder to do (as i seen one today that had been smashed and put on a semi trailer complete!(small bumper too!)) but the pinto in my opinion has alway been a car to modify. my dads 73 pinto had a v8 in it on the road buy 75!.(he bout it from a friend one owner) he bout his first  72 pinto in 75 or 76 drove it home and riped it apart to do cam and header... the week he got it. the pinto is in the same class as the mustang and that is u r going to see more people want them and more at the car shows both stock and modified.both will be admired,
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Pintaro


A Pinto is a Pinto is a Pinto.They are all cool.Customization is just an attitude adjustment.Besides you can tell alot about a person by what they do to their car.Like Pintony for instance,I think his cars are like his moods.And he has a car for every mood.What do you think Tony.Close?

Smeed

I dont really mind much for what Im using it for. If my car was a little worse for wear I would probably modify it, but since its in pretty good shape Im keeping it stock.

'73 runabout

popbumper

Quote from: Pintony on May 06, 2008, 10:06:13 AM
I have both Stock and modified Pintos.
I like stock so I can see the small changes in the Ford Production run.
Someday I will have every year and every model for Pinto nuts
to view and enjoy...
From Pintony

Hey Pintony:

  You gonna be at the show in Tulsa? Hope to meet you there, Dallas is a short drive away and the family and I plan to attend and meet up with these great cars and their owners.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

chrisf1219

hey pintony remeber you might be getting close on your limit of ca.  pintos that you can take out! ;D save some for the rest of us. i like custom pintos wheels and extra goodies whatever make it work on my wagon.  chris in ca.
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!