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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Carolina Boy

What boards are open and in need of help? Looks as there will be alot of Pintoers arriving. What is the latest lowdown of this Anniversary Party??
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on June 14, 2009, 11:42:20 PM
Well, it sounds like SOMEONE is sure I can make it out there! lol. I hope like heck he's right! I would be willing to help out with setting up stuff and breakdown after the show if need be. I just have to see if I can actually make it there...  ;)

You better! No excuses!! I got the towel all ready for pay back!  :evil: :laugh:
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

Well, it sounds like SOMEONE is sure I can make it out there! lol. I hope like heck he's right! I would be willing to help out with setting up stuff and breakdown after the show if need be. I just have to see if I can actually make it there...  ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

I have to be there to keep Blupinto in line!

Should the setup people be there a day ahead of the show for last minute planning? I will if I need to be.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

RSM

I'm hoping to make the show with my 1980 V8 wagon. As with everyone else it's a long time away but it will be here soon. I'm shooting for being there with or without the car.

r4pinto

Becky you do pring up a valid point. Those of you on the west coast might have ahard time getting here. It might not be a bad idea to set up some type of fund to help those of you out there. I don't know how plausible that would be but I'm sure if such a fund existed the members here would gladly contribute.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Carolina Boy, as a cavalryman I thought you knew your bugle calls! lol. :lol: Guess you aren't the bugler in your unit!  :P

If I aim to go (and I would dearly love to!) I'd better win the lottery, rob a bank, refinance the house, etc... :tgif:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pangra74

As a West Coast member I definitely want to attend this one. My car should easily be driveable to make it across country, but I would consider being involved with a hauler or getting a truck and trailer to get there. Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

pintoman

Hey Carolina Boy.Check with Motel 6 on Harrisburg pike.They might have a room.There will be at least three Pinto's there.Call this number614-544-4866.If you call the Motel directly they will tell you that there are no rooms available.So good luck on getting a room and I will see you there.
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r4pinto

It varies what hotel people stay at when going to Carlisle. Cost is a big deciding factor as to where you stay. Most of us just show up at Carlisle when we want to. They have breakfast sold at the concession stands & it seems most go to them at the show. Basically we just do lots of BSing under the tent where it's cooler, and some years dryer.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

Thanks r4pinto,
    Do all of yall try to stay at the same motel and eat together? Yall would most likely do as yall did at Knotts, convoy to the show after breakfast? I should have learn to play the bugle by then for the "Call to Post"
I am going to offer my services to the membership booth, so other member can go look at the cars, talk to friends, etc.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

You start by registering at Carsatcarlisle.com. You will not be able to register for the 2011 show until after the 2010 show. You go to the gates to pick up your credentials when you show up for it. As for the hotels, you are going to reserve a room asap. The closer it gets to the show the harder it will be to get a room.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

Could you use one more Pinto? I should be done by then. :lol:

On a serious note, I have not been "in" a "Major" show before, just little locals. Would someone be able to walk me thru it? Sure I can say I'll be there, but what do I do then.
I know I would have to sign up. I don't want to end up at some out of the way Hotel then not be able to get close to the show with my car and miss meeting all you good folks. :'(

CB
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

Still looking forward to it. I will be there for the whole time in 2011. By then the car might actually be done.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

High_Horse

High_Horse and ThunderPinto are in.....I will be watching for developments in convoy routes as to connect up.


                                                          High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

72Wagon

Thanks Phil, we should remind those who bring there own canopies to be sure to bring some way to secure them to the ground, had a friend that went to a Kentucky Street Rod national show  and a storm came up and those private canopies were flying and bouncing off some high dollar cars.
We could also as time gets closer, make a list to post for those who are attending Carlisle of essentials that they should bring to make there days more comfortable and enjoyable. Things like coolers, water, proper clothing, sun lotions to rain gear, area maps, car cleaning products, cameras and spare batteries, the list goes on but you would be surprised how easy it is to forget something simple that could ruin your trip/day.
Kevin
1972 Wagon
2.0 (not stock), 4 Speed with Hurst shifter and roll control, Holley 390 4bbl, Spearco intake, MSD Ignition. 8 inch rearend 3.55 gears, custom dash and interior.

phils toys

Tents   Carlisle will provide a tent ( Depending on  number registered  determines the cost)  for us to gather under  but we can put up our own smaller canopies near our cars
Sign up is usually started  between DEC and Jan   for that year   so probably Dec 2010
you can visit there site  here  http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/index.asp

Phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

pintopaul2003

When will be beable to sigh up for this? i know its a couple years off but i think the earlier the better also it will give everyone an idea of how many will be showing up . thanks paul
we have a new addition to the pinto family
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72Wagon

 Don't know what the rules are at Carlisle about tents, but could Ford provide or help on the costs of some large tents for the group if they are permited? These could be used for some selected cars or to just keep the group comfortable rain or shine.
Yes I will be making every atempt to be there.
Kevin
1972 Wagon
2.0 (not stock), 4 Speed with Hurst shifter and roll control, Holley 390 4bbl, Spearco intake, MSD Ignition. 8 inch rearend 3.55 gears, custom dash and interior.

pintopaul2003

Hello All : Why not see if Ford would be willing to provide a few car haulers in differant directions to pickup our cars up and bring them to carlisle for us. I know in New York there are allot of Ford dealers here who get there cars delivered by haulers so its worth trying. I know when i worked for a dodge dealership they used independent trucks (i know shame on me dodge) but it paid the bills besides i don't work there anymore :lol: keep up with the good work hope to see as many pinto's as we can get there , i will bring cash if someone is willing to part with a clean 79 or 80 . Thanks Paul pintopaul@verizon.net Schroon Lake N.Y
we have a new addition to the pinto family
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gordie

This event will be by far the largest ever attempted by our club and I am sure most of us want to be there and I wonder how many Pinto's we can get together.  It would be great to be the largest Ford model there but we will have some tough competition in car club sizes.  The Model T and Model A clubs' memberships are in the thousands as is the Early Ford V-8 Club.  There will be lots of Mustangs and Thunderbirds, Rancheros, Fairlanes and later V-8s as well as Edsels, Lincolns, Mercury's, customs and street rods and I have probably forgotten some.  We will be the only club celebrating our 40th anniversary so we very well could be the largest.  At least we will have the best looking of all of the cars!

discolives78

I would like to be in attendance, although nothing in life is certain. I would also like to get in on a 'caravan' if guys from california and arizona are taking I-40 thru Albuquerque, but I can also head up to denver (450 miles) and catch I-70 if that's an option. I can't think of anything better than having my car at the meet. I can't guarantee anything right now except to try to have my daily driver in attendance. I have relatives in harrisburg and wilkes-barre, so I may take a side trip before or after the show.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

phils toys

For the show part Carlisle will assignee a spot  for the pintos based on how many  sign up to attend. For the vendors majority of them are behind the grand stand and a few are to the left of the grand stand  the only inside vendors are under the grand stand and it has been the same people there all 3 time i have been there. The  only other inside is the red building where the carlisle events store is located  the rest of the buildings are for invitational only cars.
Phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

gordie

Hi guys and gals.  I do not think that we should plan on any inside spaces at Carlisle.  Until this year I had three spaces under the grandstand.  Carlisle rents these spaces to vendors and they are sold from vendor to vendor.  I had to spend $2,000 each for my three 10' x 10' spaces plus pay Carlisle $200 each for rent.  There are about three larger buildings on the Carlisle grounds and I am sure that Carlisle Fairgrounds will have all of those spaces in the buildings sold to their regular vendors who attend all of their shows.  I do not know how things are done at the All Ford Show but I really doubt that anyone can get inside spaces and we will probably have to apply early just to get a block of spaces together somewhere outside.  There are no trees and very little grass at Carlisle and it can get pretty muddy there in the rain.  Keep your fingers crossed for lots of sunshine!

redmustangman3

Thanks Scott- also look forward to seeing you. It will  be great to finally meet all the guys and girls you read about on this site in person. This is going to be the Pinto get-together of all time- BIG  BIG  BIG.  Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

Scott Hamilton

Hey Joe!

Good  hear from you!


Glad you are coning to this BIG event, looking forward to seeing you again!
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redmustangman3

Fran and I will be attending this historic get-together, I will be trailering my 71 V8 Pinto and hope that a caravan of sorts can be established from California to the site. Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

pintoman

Yes I have been in contact with Ford.They are willing to help us.Just give me some idea's on what they can help us with.
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Srt

Has Ford Motor Company been contacted in any way?  Anyone have contact address' for perhaps the Ford Design Group? 
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