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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Are Pintos rare?

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phils toys

No pintos are a dime a dozen   bobcats are rare  !   :lol:

Seriously I know of  2  other pintos in my area  with in 35 miles but  i have only seen  1 of them at shows. The winters around here  ate them up. Scrap yards  around here   have not had anything like them in 10 + years. and   sort of laugh  when i ask about them. but just about everyone   had one . I  do not think mopst people  think of the cars from the 70's  other than  muscle cars as very collectable  yet , but in the last few years i have seen more  showing up. 
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jimspinto

Quote from: gordie on August 12, 2008, 04:57:38 PM
I think that where you live has plenty to do with how rare Pinto's are.  On the West coast Pinto's were very popular and many were sold here and you still see them on the streets as transportation cars.  Any car that was not a collector car from the start like the Corvette will begin to disappear from the streets but as long as they keep running and parts are available they will hang on.  Five year old cars in the rust states depreciate to nothing and start to be junked early on.  A Pinto from the West coast can spend most of its' life outdoors with not much damage but only cars on the East coast that were garaged and not driven in the Winter will survive.  There were probably as many Pinto's sold on the East coast as on the West coast but most of those East coast cars are gone so in those areas Pinto's are harder to find in good condition.

  Back when I still had the garage, I'd hired a mechanic who had gone to Calif.  He'd returned after a few years, said something about never getting any experience on newer cars because everything on the road in southern Calif. was at least 10 years old, sometimes alot older then that.

  I'd purchased a new Dodge truck (1997) and just scraped it because the frame rusted thru.  Ran good, at over two hundred thousand, but the rust mites ate it.
 
  Then again, someone said  "If you want to live in Paradise, you gotta pay"  The North East sucks weather wise, but the cost of living isn't that bad

   Jim at jimspinto

Ironman

Basicaly,.. no.

On the whole they are not rare. Any day of the week I can do a tri state search and locate between 5-8 on craigs list alone.
However,.. they are a "special interest" car. And they have an attractive body style. Its the reason there are so many still around.
Like many other cars, there would be some limited editions that are from somewhat - extremely rare.
In my book a "rare" car has to start out that way. or be one of the few examples that remains. Some cars fall into both catergories.
History shows that we are currently in the era that is the time to horde.

What I mean is,.. many cars seem to go through cycles of desireability. I'm speculating here, but I believe the Pinto is on the "cusp" of becoming collectable.
It seems to be at the point where fine examples are starting to be worth a few bucks but the public interest isnt high enough to demand top dollar,.. so cars like mine and yours are very cheap,.. which makes them prime canidates for the shredder.  (I bought my car for $75 over scrap value).

What usualy spurs the next step is people get tired of the same old thing. How many 302 mustangs can you look at before they get boring?

In the early eighties I would buy 64-67 GTO's for $600-$800 in great condition! I probably totaled 10 of them! Chevelles and Camaros commanded the street market, and most popular magazines were geared to chevrolet. At that time a 66 Chevelle was worth about $2500,.. if you saw one for $800 it was a roach.

However by 1990, that changed dramaticaly,.. the Chevelle and the Camaro continued to rise in value,.. but suddenley, so did the GTO,.. to the point where some models will even command a higher dollar than their Chevy counterpart.

To further expand on this, let me share something I heard at Hemmings once,.. "if the car was popular when it was new, it will be popular when its old,.. some just take longer than others".  Popularity = Value

The pinto was definately a "popular" car if take into consideration that it was "marked " as a death trap it continued to sell to the tune of a couple million

Ok Blah Blah Blah I've gone on long enough.
Ironman

Norman Bagi

It is pretty much known they are rare.  Other than the car shows, I have seen one on the road in the past three- four years.  That is pretty rare, I have seen dozens of Ferraris by comparison, I guess I haven't seen many 1971 ferraris though, but alot more Pintos were sold in those years.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the bad publicity killed the car, but when people see one they remmber good times in them. The PCCA and Pinto owners have kind of brought the Pinto back into some peoples minds, so in a way that has brought about a resurgence of interest, which has more people looking to get and restore them.  But they still remain and unless Ford reissues them, will always remain a rare car. 

dga57

Nope, Jimmy - that's not the same car.  The one I saw should be so lucky to have a little primer on it!  Actually, it's in the opposite direction, altogether.... it's just south of Buena Vista and, since it appears that they've been mowing around it, I'm fairly confident it hasn't been driven lately.  I spotted it last winter and it doesn't appear to have moved since then. 
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

71pintoracer

I guy I work with has a son that drives an '80 sedan, might be the one you saw Dwayne, white w/ primer in the Grottoes area although he drives it a lot.
Back in the 80's and 90's most cars on the track were pintos because the engines were so durable. The vegas and even the monzas with the iron duke couldn't stay with the pintos. The little cars were sitting everywhere and weren't worth anything. I bought many for 25, 50 bucks and never over 100, one guy gave me 3 just to get rid of them and two of them ran. Sadly for the most part we stripped them and junked the shells if they were rusty or wagons.  :( (I'm sorry everyone) I have 3 left that I was going to strip and junk until I started looking around on e-bay and then joining the PCCA and seeing how popular they had become again. So the 3 I have left are safe for now! '80 sedan, '75 MPG hatch (nice solid car that might be a driver again one day) and a '71 sedan.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dga57

Other than my own '72 and 71Pintoracer's '71, I have not personally seen a Pinto of ANY vintage on the road in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia in many, many years.
There IS a white late-model Runabout that appears to be "permanently" parked at a house about fifty miles from me.  It's hard to see from the road - appears rusty and might be a Bobact - can't tell from that distance. 

A '77 wagon in "top-notch condition" popped up in the Bulletin Board (a local classified ad paper) last week.  First one I've ever seen in there too.  A buddy of mine was going to call and check it out but I haven't heard back from him.

In THIS area, they are rare!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Kid Colt II

Speak of the devil, saw an orange later model runabout hatchback making a right turn 1 block from my house today. ^^
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douglasskemp

Quote from: Pintony on August 12, 2008, 07:04:13 PM
All the southern east coast Pintos were used up in dirt track racing!!!

And they still are.  There have been two Pintos I have tried to get in the last six months, both pre 74, both near Atlanta, each for $500, and both times I got beat out by someone buying and taking them to race dirt track...
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

apintonut

id say there still out there. but u just hafta look harder for them but the with high price of steel.   i still see them going to scrap ive seen about 4 on there way to scrap this year. as i work near the scrap yard some days. i even tried to follow a truck with a crushed 73 to try to get the bumpers but it was i no go.
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gordie

I think that where you live has plenty to do with how rare Pinto's are.  On the West coast Pinto's were very popular and many were sold here and you still see them on the streets as transportation cars.  Any car that was not a collector car from the start like the Corvette will begin to disappear from the streets but as long as they keep running and parts are available they will hang on.  Five year old cars in the rust states depreciate to nothing and start to be junked early on.  A Pinto from the West coast can spend most of its' life outdoors with not much damage but only cars on the East coast that were garaged and not driven in the Winter will survive.  There were probably as many Pinto's sold on the East coast as on the West coast but most of those East coast cars are gone so in those areas Pinto's are harder to find in good condition.

dholvrsn

I think that a disproportionate amount got sent to the junkyard then because they got hammered by depreciating to nothing, being considered a cut-corner car with exploding gas tank. In the past few years the racers wanting spindles and the high price of scrap iron, thinned the rest of the Pintos out of the hills around here.
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jimspinto


   I find the question very interesting.  Seems to me that I heard there were 4500 members to "fordpinto.com".  Also I saw something about there being 217,763 or so pinto built in 1973 alone.

   If only half of the pinto that exist belonged to "fordpinto" the amount would be 9000, round it for comfort and you got 10,000 (or so) pinto's are still here today. 

   With 200,000 plus built in 73 alone, this math doesn't work out very good.  Kind of makes you think that there are alot of "Pinto's" that aren't registered (to this club)

   Are they rare, I'd think most any car built thru the 70's would have rusted away by now, add to that, it was the "err" of bad steal, cheaply built cars and etc. and the answer is probably yes.

  Then again, "Webster" gives two definitions to the same spelling.  In one, "rare" is "under cooked"   So, if the gas tank DIDN'T blow, I'd guess its "RARE"  (ha ha)

  Thanks,,,,,,,Jim at jimspinto

dave1987

Here in Idaho they seem to be fairly rare. I know of a house along Franklin road that an orange and white stripe runabout sits at, and I see it now and then. I see a Pinto driving down the same road as me at least once, maybe twice a month. So I would say they are pretty rare around here.

The only yards that have them here ask an arm and a leg for parts off them, and I don't visit those yards often, if at all. Finding parts is hard for me over here in the west. :(
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75bobcatv6

out here they arent all that rare, just finding parts can be a pain in the arse. There is a girl that works for Checker auto parts out here that drive a full glass back 73-74. her father has about 15 restored pinto's and 4 or 5 parts cars so ya its nice to know people are bringing the pinto's bobcats back.

Smeed

I've seen 1 since I bought mine maybe 10 months ago. Although before that I had no idea what one looked like.... I digress. I think people are finally thinking that they are classics. Im sure there are plenty out there because it seems just about anyone who was alive during the 70s had or knows someone who had one. A member has 2 in the same city as me (unless he sold them) but I've yet to see them.

'73 runabout

popbumper

Don't see many of them at all in this neck of the woods. I figured that the Dallas TX metroplex is huge, and being that we have saltless roads, there'd be quite a few Pintos to choose from when I started looking.

...I was wrong....

They ARE here, but they are out in the country (outlying areas) where folks have the room to park them. The biggest detriment to the cars here is the sun - it really rips up interiors, dries all the rubber out, and fades paint big time.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Kid Colt II

These cars actually seem pretty darn tough to track down. So many have gone to the crusher...

I remember seeing a Pinto once when I was younger (I'm 25), the only one I've ever seen up close is the one I own. I see classic vintage Mustangs all the time, and they are the norm. Kinda' ironic.  ;D
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