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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Wanting to manufacture Repro floor pans - need feedback

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tiresmoke

I could use rear floor pans.  It is wierd that my front ones are GC but there is a hole thru the passenger rear floor pan.  I would buy them at any reasonable price...

Thanks,
James

apintonut

74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

FlyerPinto

Personally, not knowing exactly how to weld these things in (yet) I'm not sure how big they should be in terms of being somewhat oversized. I would think an exact fit would be best, but I'm not the authority here by any means. Folks with experience?
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
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So many projects, so little time...

apintonut

as there seem's to be an interest i will buy the steel and bend up a dozen or so this winter. as i was going to buy steel this week any way. how big do u want them. like i said i haven't had a pinto with bad floor boards yet. but ive only owned about 200 (most for parts(dam hot rod projects!!!)) so far.
i dont know how much these will cost most likely with the high pice of steel about 75-150 a set
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

Wittsend

 Bill, Acronomia is such a small country that many Americans just can't justify learning the Acronym language.  Oh..., some like to fake it with their PDQ's and BTW's but really these people can't really carry on a conversation with an Acronoid.

I've met a few Anglo-Acron's in my life and when they try to be bilingual the strangest things come out of their mouths.   :smile:

It is much easier to converse on the list using "Whole Word English" which is not to be called WWE.

I, of course, hope you know I'm joking.  I just couldn't resist.  And now back to our regular schedule show: "Floor Pans - the Missing Episode."

Tom

FlyerPinto

Sorry Bill, couldn't help it. I was being serious though, can't get la cabase grande under the car without a ramp...but I do want those floor pans!
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77turbopinto

Quote from: FlyerPinto on July 02, 2008, 03:22:04 PM
......I can't get my big head under a car anyway, and anyone who sees the underside of my car has already been run over, thus their opinion will be somewhat biased at that point.....

ROTFLMHO!


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FlyerPinto

If by chance someone can pull it off and manufacture the things though, count me in with no hesitation at all.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

FlyerPinto

My point of view on this issue is simple - I live in Ohio. We grow corn, beans and rust out here. If I could buy pre-formed floor pans of a good quality I would buy a set or two just to have them for the next project that comes along. I'm not concerned about the proper channels in regards to their appearance from below - I can't get my big head under a car anyway, and anyone who sees the underside of my car has already been run over, thus their opinion will be somewhat biased at that point. :cheesy_p: In truth, unless a Pinto ends up in a Concours style show where it really counts, I don't know how many folks on this board would demand going to that extent of originality for a part that is all but impossible to view, and out here, tends to be very necessary in repairing a car. Especially a thirty plus year old Pinto. Could be that I'm way off base to feel that way, but I can't weld yet either...
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1977 Bobcat HB
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So many projects, so little time...

Wittsend

What with the price of EVERYTHING going up I used the side panels from old computer cases.  To strengthen the panel I put a number of dimples in it by using a socket (about 1") on the bottom and then a slightly smaller one on the top.  The difficulty is in aligning them up, but basically I just hit the top socket with a 5 pound hammer and it made a nice round dimple. I was going to put 12 in the front Passenger panel I replaced, but I slipped a socket and did the finger holding it no good.  :'(  Thus, I stopped at 7.

Tom

Fred Morgan

Chris remanufacture of floor pan's cost to much when their is so many good floor's that are going to be crushed. I have 5 Arizona rust free 1's that I going to have crushed and I have more I can pick up. I found that street sign's work well, aluminum beet them senless into shape silicone in and after carpet instaled with heavy under coat it look's all original. Fred   :)
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popbumper

Nice idea. I have used Alumilite quite a bit in the past for model making. Great stuff, durable, heat resistant, resilient, can be sanded/tapped/painted/colored. A core of alumilite over a metal frame with some padding and vinyl would be nice. Alumilite by itself covered with vinyl would be too hard.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dholvrsn

Ever thought about a short run of repro dashes using something like Alumilite?

Trouble would be that the molds are slightly too flexible.
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popbumper

All:

  My apology - I suppose this request was redundant, and only intended to spark interest. I had already posted a poll some time back - that was pinned - and there was some very valuable feedback. I am sure this is why there's a lack of responses - folks have already done so.

  Regardless, I am going to forge forward on:

1) Floor pans
2) Instrument cluster white crumbling piece

...to start. Thanks for your support, there are many numbers of parts to consider.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

apintonut

well i just went out to my most rusty car sure that this one had to have the rusty floor boards that every one talks about..... i pulled the carpet...... there very solid some surface rust but i stabbed with a screw driver hard ever-were but no cancer. but if i had to replace them it dose look like i could build them with just a plasma cuter and a   a brake out of flat steel with mild ease.   if i need to go all the way to the seat that would be harder.  i would need to find a templet for the seat bulges and heat up a second pice and hammer it over the templet then spot weld it to the floor board or find different seat rails. tis dose not look to be very hard to do.

this is just what i saw looking at it.

with that being said would poeple be interested in pre cut and bent ready to weld in floors out of good steel?
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

turbo74pinto

i personally dont need them, but i think its a great idea.  coming from the rusty city of cleveland, im used to the clear floors.  lack of repopped panels is one of the reasons i wanted a southern or western car.  what is the rough price on these? 

bob
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popbumper

Well, I think I got my answer. In eight hours, 2 people responded. I find it interesting how threads of most any kind get lots of views, and very little participation. I guess I don't understand it.

People want repro parts but....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Excellent. I can't say these would be 100% identical (and I'm not trying to flounder, just being realistic). The goal is to mimic all the channels so that appearance from beneath would be maintained; I do not think I would add the drain hole/plug ONLY because it is complex, serves no function, and sits atop another support channel, so it cannot be seen from the underside (I am referring to 1976 pans in this case).

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

FlyerPinto

Floor pans are always number one on my list, at least till I get them welded in. Every car I've had has needed at least one. I just bought a set from the site a while ago, and while they are original, I don't know how crucial every nook and cranny in the designs are 100% necessary. I'm fairly certain many people have welded in the proper gauge steel in a flat piece and gone ahead from there, but a piece made to fit would certainly be better. I'm interested, and would definitely spend the money if I need them.
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popbumper

Thanks, I was just doing a search and realized that the topic has been done to death, and I am the grim reaper in this case ;), but something HAS to be done. I'm tired of it. I realize anyone can tack a flat sheet of metal in their floor, but what of originality? Personally, I care about it.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dholvrsn

If I could get one for $250 or less.

Has anybody pestered Classic Enterprises yet? Or the people making those Mustang II pans?
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popbumper

 Now owning a vehicle, I am ESPECIALLY interested in getting parts built. Why? I don't necessarily want to scour junk yards for the next few years, and in particular, trying to cut out metal floor pans. It's not about "being lazy", it's about saving time and energy. I have been involved in the pinball machine hobby for the last ten years, and I have made repro parts - which are happily scoured up.

I stopped by my favorite metal fabricator this morning to talk about floor pans. I showed them pictures of my rotted front floor pan, and it looks like it is something that's doable. I have to capture drawings of it in AutoCAD, and send it forward. I was told the tooling would probably run several hundred dollars, and it would be amortized across a build of, say, 50 pans - since we're not stamping out thousands. I'm guessing at this point.

My additional motivation is as follows (correct me if I am wrong):

1) MOST folks don't have the tools/time/resources to cut out floor pans
2) MOST folks don't have the room or money to procure donor cars for this effort
3) Donor cars COULD potentially be builders, and the more that are cut up, the fewer cars are available
4) Donor cars are becoming more scarce
5) Our cars deserve parts just like the Camaros, Mustangs, et. al.
6) Fewer people get involved in these cars BECAUSE of the lack of parts

NOW - what are the thoughts here? Being honest, if nobody steps up, and/or shows enthusiastic interest, I won't throw the money away. I CAN'T estimate any pricing yet - and I KNOW that's the hot button. I will when I am able.

  I would START with passenger fronts FIRST - not the whole floor, not the rear, not the driver's side. This has to be simple.

  DOES ANYONE HERE have an interest in getting floor pans reproed? FEEDBACK PLEASE.

Chris



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