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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2.0l bolt on hp

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pimpin_pinto

I'm not sure about the 2.0, but i was looking on ebay, and here is a kit for the 2.3 engine, and from what i hear they are pretty similar, might just take a little more fabrication.  Not sure though, though thought i'd put in the link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7909783705&category=33742

1repuwannabe

don't ya hate it when you hit send and then think of something you wanted to ask??  back to the topic my 2.0 (mazda) has pretty good top end but a weak low end . after taking off the smog crap it got enough power to hold 60 on I-90 sunset hill which is about 5% grade and 1.5 to 2 miles long. before i had to go down to 3rd. i'm still in 4th but hey it's somewhat of a power gain. right???  i have a free garrett t3 turbo can i run it?? i know about the plumbing  except for the oil issue.. can i put a tee where my oil pressure sending unit is for supply ?? where to i send the return oil?? ???

1repuwannabe


Poison Pinto

??? We're not cussing you out! (Most of this is tongue-in-cheek anyway, I bear no ill will towards V***s.)

Mazda = Okay with Pinto (type) drive train.

V*** = *GASP*

Did your dad get the 'Vette engine out of a totalled car or was it a reman/crate engine?

'Cause personally, I'd rather have a totalled 'Vette lawn ornament than a driveable swear word.

:P
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

1repuwannabe

 ??? :'( Damm guys all I wanted is to know about the possiblity of bolting on more hp onto my 2.0 (which iI found out is  mazda mtr). I don't think it's fair for you to be cussing me out...... :'( :'( no see you hurt my little feelings..

78pinto

i liked them! My Dad had a 75 GT with a 327 Vette motor in it. Sorry for swearing! ;D
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Poison Pinto

Yeah.

;D

After all, those are just buckets of bolts that should never have seen an assembly line....
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Ha!

Should I put v**a in the filter?

HA!
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Poison Pinto

You said ****??? I can't believe they let you say **** on here! **** should be on the language filter.

Scooooooooooott.

Jeff said, "****."
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78pinto

Quote from: Poison Pinto on July 10, 2004, 03:43:48 PM
I don't have a problem with it. It is "Pinto" related enough in that we're dealing with a Pinto (type) engine. I mean, how many "Pinto" threads (my '74 project included) deal with Pinto bodies, but drive trains that are totally non-Pinto? So I see this as a reverse of that—a non-Pinto body with a Pinto (type) drive train. At *worst* it might get moved to "Off-Topic General" discussion.

Now, if someone comes in here spouting off about cars and topics that had absolutely nothing to do with Pintos, then I'd have an issue with it.

I'll step out on a limb and speak for all the moderators because I'm sure if this post threatened the essence and/or spirit of this board or the community, it would have been gone before (m)any of the membership saw it.

This board's membership is a great group of people because there's a widespread desire to help others and because there's not any of the "Pintos rule and everything else is just a bucket of bolts that should have never seen an assembly line" rhetoric.

i agree, i didn't have a problem with it.....just don't ask how to stuff a 350 into a Vega on here :o
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Poison Pinto

I don't have a problem with it. It is "Pinto" related enough in that we're dealing with a Pinto (type) engine. I mean, how many "Pinto" threads (my '74 project included) deal with Pinto bodies, but drive trains that are totally non-Pinto? So I see this as a reverse of that—a non-Pinto body with a Pinto (type) drive train. At *worst* it might get moved to "Off-Topic General" discussion.

Now, if someone comes in here spouting off about cars and topics that had absolutely nothing to do with Pintos, then I'd have an issue with it.

I'll step out on a limb and speak for all the moderators because I'm sure if this post threatened the essence and/or spirit of this board or the community, it would have been gone before (m)any of the membership saw it.

This board's membership is a great group of people because there's a widespread desire to help others and because there's not any of the "Pintos rule and everything else is just a bucket of bolts that should have never seen an assembly line" rhetoric.
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

CHEAPRACER

Quote from: 1repuwannabe on July 08, 2004, 01:23:32 PM
how can i tell what mtr is in my truck it came stock with the 2.0L  


New for '79, 2.0 (Mazda) engine or optional 2.3 (Pinto type) engine. 2.0 has an aluminum valve cover, 2.3 is a stamped steel. Theres more then that but you can't get it any easier.

Moderators, this is a Pinto sight, if a Mazda-Courier post offends anyone, please make note. It's not Pinto related but I can't stand not helping someone if I know the answer.
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1repuwannabe

how can i tell what mtr is in my truck it came stock with the 2.0L  . the later years of courier came with the 2.3L.

CHEAPRACER

2.0 in a Courier is a Mazda motor and may have been a replacement engine from the previous 1.8 (a little taller but almost a direct bolt in). I'm not for sure if the Courier ever came with an 2.0. By the time that engine came out, I thought Ford had already switched to the Ranger.

I had a friend in high school with the earlier 1800 Courier, headers, custom intake & igntion and his brother could still woop that truck with 4 of us guys in his bone stock 289 '68 mustang.

As I've said to your post on Turbo Ford, they did install a 2.3 Ford engine in the Couriers with both auto and 4 speed transmissions but finding one to use the doner parts may be tough. You may find yourself hooking up with a welder buddy and doing a lot of thinking on this one but it may be easier then you think.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

1repuwannabe

hello i'm in need of your experience about the 2.0l mine is in my 79 courier. i read about the 2.3l bolt ons and was wondering if the same would go for my motor.. any help out there???