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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dave1987

I can't seem to get my choke adjusted so it will warm the car up when the gas pedal is pressed down, then the car started. Do i just need to turn the choke fast idle cam screw in more?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I initially suspected the mounting hardware and adapter plate, but it all checked out to be tight, even with new seals.

For now it is working fine again. I flipped my EGR block-off plate around and put a new gasket on so I believe that was my source of it, considering the orignal EGR valve base broke around one of the mounting holes, which could have been my cause all along.
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintoguy76

Could the vacuum advance be leaking? Try pulling the line off and plugging it at the intake/carburetor. Also check the carburetor screws, carburetor mounting nuts, and the carburetor adaptor plate under the carb. Check the PCV hose above and below the valve, and the valve itself. Make sure it rattles when you shake it. It could be a pcv thing easily because alot of vacuum goes thru that.
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Pintopowers

How about the carb- EGR spacer- manifold gasketes?

Steve

dave1987

The car doesn't have power brakes, nor is it automatic, so I don't think it is either of those. Perhaps the intake manifold gasket itself? The engine was rebuilt two years ago and all the gaskets seals and plugs were replaced though, so I'm doubting that could be but you never know!

Tomorrow I am taking off the entire intake manifold to look it over.

I removed the EGR valve today and cut a block-off plate for it from some 1/4" thick aluminum sheet metal my dad had lying around. For now I have been driving the car with that damn EGR tube from the exhaust manifold open, and the car sounds like a tractor!  :cheesy_n: Tomorrow I am taking that tube off, since I've sprayed some liquid wrench on the joint to loosen it up from all the rust.

Hopefully tomorrow I will have found the source of the leak, have it fixed and be driving a good running car again.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintoguy76

My 76 didnt have an idle problem really (tho i think the idle mixture adjustment was set to compensate) but it did have an intake leak around cylinder #3 a few years back. It was the factory intake gasket and all those years and all that engine heat just did that gasket in i guess. Id be looking for an intake leak on something that bad. The only other thing i can think of that would leak that bad would be a brake booster if it has power brakes, or a leak from one of the vacuum ports on the back of the engine near the firewall. Could be the modulator or the line running to it if its an automatic. I dont really think its that tho.
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1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

dave1987

Alrighty. partially covering the air horn with my hand helps the car tremendously, so I must have an air leak.

Could the carb just be worn out after so much time and just need replaced???
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

earthquake

Check for a vacuum leak on the underside of the #1 runnerYou may have a gasget sucked in...If not this then put a vacuum gauge to it,that will tell you where to look,Ignition carburation etc.
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dave1987

It has started again. slow then fast idle. I have to really crank up the fuel/air mixture and the curb idle to get the thing to continue running, and even then it still idles abnormally. I'm starting to think it is the distributer or the ignition control module. Pulling the boot on plug #1 doesn't change the performance, just as it did before. Anything else?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Figured out my problem. The car just needed a real good tune up. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

earthquake

You should never use a flammable product to test for a vacume leak,its not necessary.All we ever used was a spray bottle filled with water.If you have a leak engine rs will drop letting you know you found it,it wont hurt the motor,wont burn,and it wont harm the motors finish.And because most bottles can be set to stream you can more accurately pinpoint your leak.An old mechanics trick I learned from an old mechanic.
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fast34

If you use your hand and partially cover the air horn of your carb., and if you have a vacuum leak, it will cause the engine to smooth out and idle higher. If no leak is present, it will idle down or stall. My 78 has a bad power break booster and idles kinda rough until I push on brake pedal, then it idles a little smoother. As our Pintos age, these boosters will go bad eventually, and alot of people forget these are in fact operated by vacuum. Just a thought.

pintoguy76

I've always been told to take an UNLIT propane torch and run them around the vac lines and  carb base to detect vacuum leaks. Or you could unhook all the lines and plug the ports on the intake and mark where they all go. The only ones you REALLY need anyway is the one to the automatic transmission, if quipped, and the distributor and to the power brakes also if equipped. Bad gas will make it idle bad too. Timing BELT might have jumped too. 
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

pintoches

have you looked at the control module. most part stores can test it for free!
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Tony:

#4: Have your phone out with '91' dialed.

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dave1957

maybe starting fluid isn't the best choice..but i have never seen a pinto catch on fire.lol  non flammable brake clean works great for killing bees hornets and wasps
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Pintony

OK Bill,
My opinion on starting fluid is that it burns so fast that the chance of fire is slim at best.
You MAY get a HOT SHAVE... ;D
Using carb cleaner is more dangerous as it burns a bit slower and can saturate.
I'm not sure it is possible to make a "PUDDLE" of starting fluid.
I think either could be used in very short bursts. Taking the proper pre-CAUTIONS.
1. Like having an extinguisher handy.
2. Doing this outside so fumes do not build up.
3. Safety goggles.


From Pintony

77turbopinto

Quote from: dave1987 on October 12, 2007, 11:51:24 AM
How does non-flammable brake cleaner detect or seal a leak temporarily?

From what I gathered, I was use to use starting fluid so the engine would speed up if the fluid were to get into the combustion chamber. That would only work when detecting a leak around the intake manifold though, correct?


Quote from: 77turbopinto on October 12, 2007, 11:47:31 AM
...All you need to do is temporally block the vac leak...


All you need to do is test for a leak. If it runs different when you spray, you have a leak.

Just by pluging the leak, for a second or two, will make an engine with a vac leak run differently.

It does not take a lot of vapors built up in the engine bay to ignite by a hot manifold or stray spark.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

dave1987

How does non-flammable brake cleaner detect or seal a leak temporarily?

From what I gathered, I was use to use starting fluid so the engine would speed up if the fluid were to get into the combustion chamber. That would only work when detecting a leak around the intake manifold though, correct?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

77turbopinto

Quote from: dave1957 on October 12, 2007, 11:08:48 AM
take a can of starting fluid and spray around your vaccum lines this will make the rpms go up where there is a leak..

NO!! - NO!! - NO!! - NO!! - NO!! - NO!! - NO!! - NO!! - NO!!

DO NOT USE STARTING FLUID FOR THAT.

ONLY use the junk non-flammable brake clean for that! (the ONLY thing that stuff IS good for)

All you need to do is temporally block the vac leak, NOT set the car on fire.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Hello Dave1987,
Does your Pinto have A/C?
The doors that move on a A/C equipped Pinto are actuated by vacume.
Since the weather has been getting colder have U move the selector from "SAY?" defrost to heat?
Maybe the door is stuck and creating a leak.
From Pintony

dave1987

I was thinking that the float might have been sticking which is why I took the top of the carb off. It's doing just fine. The distributor is fine as well unless it's the cap and rotor, which I can't replace until the 20th when I get paid.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1957

take a can of starting fluid and spray around your vaccum lines this will make the rpms go up where there is a leak..check your disty and maybe your carb float is sticking.. happened to me once
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1979 orange pinto all glass hatch 52k

dave1987

All day yesterday I was working on the car trying to figure out why it decided to idle extremely rough when in idle, just out of the blue!

It acts like there is a vacuum leak somewhere but I cannot find any. I've changed my plugs, no change. I reset all of the engine timing, no change. Inside of carb is fine.

I just don't know what else to do! I can't even idle the car at a low RPM anymore because after revving the engine then letting the pedal go, the engine slows down and nearly stalls, but it saves itself and raised the RPM back up. During this time the engine shakes violently. After it raises the RPM back up, it fluctuates between the high and low RPMs every few seconds.

Any ideas everyone?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!