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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

I really can't think of anything I'd enjoy more.  I've been to Carlisle a couple of times but only as a spectator.  I'm headed to the Turkey Run in Daytona in less than three weeks... I'm hoping to stumble onto something irresistable (and affordable) in the Car Corral -after all, out of 8000 or so cars, you'd think there'd be a PInto or two.  Probably not, but it doesn't hurt to dream.
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintony

Hey dga57,
Carlisle is only 7 months away. Better hurry-UP!!! ;D
From Pintony

High_Horse

Dga57,
     Welcome aboard!!!!
    I hope you find the Pinto of your dreams as we hope to see you show up with it at a meet in the future to show them off with us.

                                                                                                                High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

dga57

Pintony and Oldcarpierre both make excellent points.  I, too, am a believer in the "buy the best one you can find" adage.  I've done it both ways, though, with good results.  The first of my two '79 Lincolns was the "paid through the nose", all original, excellent condition example.  Other than needing a repaint, and a handful of insignificant little things (like rebuilding the clock, new door lock actuators, etc.), the car was probably as nice as any around when I purchased it.  Realizing what a find I had, I decided to have the repaint done professionally to show quality.  Major bucks invested.  Car turned out perfect... is a sight to behold and a pleasure to drive BUT I'm into it way too deep to recoup my investment anytime soon.  That's okay with me... I have no intention of selling it anyway.  My other '79 Lincoln cost me less than $700 to buy.  It had about 82,000 actual miles but had been sitting (not even started) for about seven years.  There were some rust issues but, fortunately, only in the outer panels... nothing in the frame.   I had $1200 worth of work performed on it before I took possession, spent additional money on new tires, and drove her 850 miles home at interstate speeds.  Once home, I tackled the bodywork and paint myself.  Show quality wasn't my objective with this car since I bought it to be a driver (so the other one can stay pristine in the garage).  Had a new exhaust installed and the carburetor rebuilt after bringing it home and, at this moment, it runs and drives as well, if not better, than the $12000 car; all at a cost of about $3500.

Here is what I've learned about that orange 1977 Pinto.  Mostly original paint, black interior in good shape other than a small tear in the driver's seat and a hole in the carpet at the driver's seat.  At $1800, I have no doubt that it truly is a "deal".  Because of the original paint, I believe it would be a shame to start altering the body of this particular car.  To look like a '74, the nose would have to be changed, the taillights redone, and the hatch replaced.  Assuming all that is even possible (that everything would fit, etc.) locating parts might be a problem.  So... if I were to purchase this car, I'd probably take Oldcarpierre's advice and leave it a '77 and convince myself it's "close enough".  The next problem is that the car is located in San Francisco, California while I am located in Virginia.  Add about $1500 for transportation.  Yeah, I could drive out and trailer it home but, by the time you figure gasoline, motels, meals I probably couldn't do it for any less.  Still, $3000-3500 wouldn't be too much for a super nice example.  The real deal breaker came when I discovered that the car has an automatic transmission.  That simply is not acceptable to me.  Matt tells me that he had planned to convert it to a manual transmission and purchased the clutch/brake pedal assembly to do so.  He's including it in the sale.  That, however, is WAY beyond my capabilities!  While I can hold my own with body and interior work, I am not in any way, shape, or form, a mechanic.  I shudder to even think how much a shop would charge me to make that conversion, assuming I could find a manual transmission to install.  After due consideration, I've decided to pass on this one - nice as it is.  I still firmly believe a suitable car will come along (hopefully east of the Mississippi) if I'm patient.
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

oldcarpierre

dga57
If I have learned one thing with my first two old cars ('69 Olds Cutlass S Convertible, '60 Cadillac Sedan de Ville), it is the following:  BUY THE BEST ONE YOU CAN FIND. 

My first car was a 6-year old brown on brown '73 Pinto sedan, 2.0 automatic.  Like you, I figured that I would try to find a perfect brown on brown, or at least one with a brown interior.  Paint is easy, interiors are a different story.  Well in my quest for the perfect brown '73, I found the perfect Pinto.  Unrestored 1974 2.0 4-speed, medium lime yellow, avocado interior, 9500 documented miles.  It doesn't get more seventies than this colour scheme.

When I saw it, I knew the search had ended.  It was close enough.  When I drive Stupinto (my wife named her), it is 1979 and I am eighteen again.  From where I sit, I can't see that the bumpers are bigger, and shifting these gears is a lot more fun than the old C4 automatic I had the first time.

You will get more enjoyment from a perfect Pinto that is close in age to your first one than from a tired one of the exact year and colour scheme.

By the way, the search took 3 years.  Paid through the nose, worth every penny.  That is not bad, considering that the search for my '61 Pontiac Parisienne convertible took 7 years (also paid through the nose, also worth every penny).

Welcome aboard.  We're all nuts.
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

Pintony

Hello Dwayne,
I say pull the 77 nose off and backdate the look to a 74!!!!!
If you are willing to paint and re-do the interior then this Pinto should be a snap!!!!
1800 sounds like a heck of a deal to me!!!!

From Pintony

dga57

Hi Pintony!
Thanks for the tip - I really want a '74 if possible but dashed off an email to the owner anyway... you never know!  Will let you know if and when I hear back from him.  $1800 doesn't sound too bad to me... what do you think?
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintony

Hello dga57,
LOOK at the post

craigslist orange 77 pinto in SF

Nice orange Pinto with black interior.
I guess you have waited long enough!! ;D

From Pintony

dga57

Hi Dave, and thanks for the welcome!  Pintony posted a couple photos of Geraldine last week and I must say, she is gorgeous.  She is, in fact, the Pinto I really wanted rather than the solid orange with black interior that I ended up with.  Nonetheless, now that I'm looking to replicate my first car, I want to stick with the orange/black color scheme like my original.  One thing; I won't have to waste time seeing if I can track down the actual car... it was totalled by its second owner in a head-on collision about six weeks after I traded it in. 
I always considered myself a "big car" person, but my Pinto was different... it was MINE... and, at sixteen, that accounted for a lot!  I traded it in 1976 for a 1973 Lincoln Continental Town Car, triple black.  That was right after the oil embargoes and fuel lines... I paid $1000 difference.  Several years back, when I finally reached enough financial security that I could think about building a collection of cars that interested me, I naturally gravitated toward Lincolns (after all, I've had eleven of them over the years).  My Mark V came about as a replication of my first NEW Lincoln... my Continental Collector's Series sedan represents a car that I would have bought if I could have afforded it new.  I still wouldn't mind also replacing my first Lincoln, the triple black '73 Town Car, if a nice example happens to come along.  I've even dabbled a bit with Rolls Royces (WHOLE different ballgame), but that little orange Pinto lingers in the back of my mind and I've always had the idea of getting another one.  The thing I've discovered, though, is that they are extremely rare now... at least in my area.  That's why I was so happy to stumble onto this site.  At least I know I'm not the only person out there who still has fond memories of a Pinto!  And, while it may take some time, I'll bet I eventually find exactly what I'm looking for.  Thanks again for the welcome!
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Original74

Welcome Dwayne!

You and I are the same age and have a similar start into Pinto's back in the day....when they were just affordable, economical cars that we could work on, not the awesome collectable classics they are today! I too purchased a new '74 Sedan, in about the same dress as my current orange car, set me back $3,814, $114.00 per month and could fill it up for three bucks!

I cherish the past memories of the 4 Pinto's I owned in the '70's and '80's, but marvel today at the wealth of information found on this site now that they are 35 years old and we have the experience with engine issues, etc. that we didn't have back in the day.

Welcome aboard and have fun!

Dave
Original74

Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

dga57

Hi again, Doug, and thanks for the welcome.  You're right... when I ordered my 1974 Pinto, the 2.3 Liter engine was a brand new offering.  It ran really great too... far better than my sister's '72 with the smaller engine and automatic transmission.  At this point, I'm not terribly concerned about engine size although I would have to think long and hard before buying a car with the 1600 cc engine - drastically underpowered in my opinion.  The 4 speed is an absolute must and I'd really like to find a '74 if at all possible.  Changing the interior/exterior colors is well within my capabilities and I'd rather deal with something I know than get into changing body parts in an effort to make a newer car resemble a '74.  If I remain patient, it will come along eventually.  Actually, I'm going to the Turkey Run car show in Daytona FL over Thanksgiving.  There are supposed to be approximately 8000 cars there.  Maybe the perfect Pinto will be sitting there in the car corral - I can always hope!
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

douglasskemp

Quote from: dga57 on October 27, 2007, 02:59:57 PM
I have a question: can the larger bumpers of the '74 and newer cars be retrofitted to the '71 thru '73 models?  If so, that could widen my seach a bit.  I also could alter a '75 to look like a '74 with very little effort, especially if it needed repainting anyway.  That should be a simple matter of replacing the wider bodyside moldings with the narrow version and removing some badging and filling the holes.

Just an interesting bit of info, the earlier cars (71-73) did not come with the 2.3L.  As far as I know, the 74-76 are nearly identical save for differences in the grille on the 76.  77-78 cars can be made to look like the 74-75 cars by switching out the front grille, bumper and headlight buckets, but the taillight panel changed when the taillights grew in size, and the 'FORD' letters on the hood are more spread out.  79-80 cars can be changed to appear as a 74-75, but in addition to the mods needed on a 77-78, the front fenders and hood will need to be changed as well.

I wish you luck in your search, and welcome you to our lovely little pony place.
--Doug
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

dga57

Thanks, Doug, but I'm really wanting a '74 (or thereabouts) if at all possible.  The one good thing is I tend to be pretty patient.  It took me six years to locate my dream Mark V.  I wanted a 1979 in a specific color combination, with specific equipment, and even specific wheels.  By golly, I was right; it WAS out there!  I passed on close to a dozen that would have been pretty close but varied in one respect or another from what I was looking for.  Lest you think I'm just too picky, the one I eventually bought had a couple of variations but they were ones I could address without a lot of bother.  Waiting definitely paid off in that case and I'm sure that will prove true in my search for a Pinto also.  Thanks again!
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

douglasskemp

I may have a small lead, but wrong year.  My uncle has (if he hasn't sold it yet) a 79 hatch which is orange with the black interior.  It is a 2.3, C3, dealer air equipped car.  If you are interested, I can see what the status is of this car.
--Doug

BTW, it's in Tucson, AZ, but it is in great mechanical shape and is a true AZ (DSO 75) car.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

dga57

Hi again and thanks for the welcome.  I LOVE Dave's orange pinto!  Unfortunately, though, at sixteen I couldn't quite afford the more expensive one like that.  Mine was solid orange; no white two-tone and no white vinyl roof, although that would have definitely been my preference had money not been an object.  Now I'm more into replacing the car I actually had rather than the one I dreamed about.  As I said before, repainting really isn't a problem but, obviously, the closer I can get to what I want, the better.  For instance, a blue car with a black interior would probably be more desirable than a blue one with blue interior.  If need be, however, interiors can be redone too.  My 1983 F150 was originally solid white with red interior.  Now it is a blue and white Victoria two-tone (which required lots of taping/masking and the purchase of chrome moldings and ridiculously expensive striping) with a blue interior.  In that particular instance, I had the seat reupholstered and I dyed the door panels and dash.  Turned out great!  It is a base model truck and only has black rubber flooring so carpet was not an issue although it can be successfully dyed as well; especially if you're going darker.  Dying ANY color carpeting to black is a fairly simple procedure.   With today's products, even dyed steering wheels stand up to the test of time.  I'm not looking for a show car, just a good-looking driver. 
I have a question: can the larger bumpers of the '74 and newer cars be retrofitted to the '71 thru '73 models?  If so, that could widen my seach a bit.  I also could alter a '75 to look like a '74 with very little effort, especially if it needed repainting anyway.  That should be a simple matter of replacing the wider bodyside moldings with the narrow version and removing some badging and filling the holes.  All in all, I'm pretty open to different avenues of getting the car I want.  Of course the less I have to do to a car, the more I'd be willing to pay for it.  I've got to keep it in perspective, after all.  Cheers!
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintony

I thought Dave's Pinto deserved 1 more Photo.

Pintony

 :welcome: dga57!!!!!

Nice story.
Sorry I do not have a lead on your dream Pinto at this time.
Orang W/ black interior MAY be a problem as those were most likely repainted.
Have you seen Original 74 daves 74 orange Pinto???

From Pintony

77turbopinto

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dga57

Hi all!  I'm new here but certainly not new to being a car nut, nor new to Pintos, having had several in my life.  My first car was, in fact, an orange 1974 Pinto Runabout with black interior.  It was special ordered shortly after my sixteenth birthday and was delivered in December of 1973.  She had a 2300 cc engine and a manual transmission.  Trim-wise, she sported the stainless around the windows, a bodyside molding with a black insert, standard hubcaps upgraded by optional trim rings, and WSW tires.  Other than an AM radio and tinted glass, that was about it.  I loved her dearly.  After all, it wasn't every sophomore in my high school that had a BRAND NEW car!  I bought her for the princely sum of $2900.  I invested my life savings of $700 and my dad co-signed a 36 month contract.  My payments were $76 per month.  I'm 50 now but I remember that like it as yesterday.  It's the only Pinto that I actually owned.  The others I had experience with were my sister's dark green '72 Pinto Squire and my Mom's blue '79 Runabout.  Both of those cars were automatics while I preferred the performance of my 4 speed.
While still primarily a Ford man, as I've gotten older they have evolved into Lincolns.  I currently own a 2007 Mark LT 4x4, a 1999 Town Car, a 1979 Collector's Series Continental, and a 1979 Mark V.  As much as I enjoy these fine automobiles, my dearest desire is to replace my little orange Pinto.  I check eBay every day (that's where I found both my '79 Lincolns) and just know that, sooner or later, the right one will come along.  I'm pretty set on the idea of an exact replacement, or as close as I can come.  While it would be nice to find exactly what I'm looking for, realistically I can always paint it orange and the interior can be redone in black.  The things which absolutely are not negotiable is that it has to be a Runabout and it has to be a 4 speed.  The biggest factor is that while I do fairly well with bodywork and paint, I'm not in the least mechanical.  Whenever I find my Pinto, it will have to be in pretty decent running condition... at least enough so that it can be driven once a week or so.  I like to drive my vehicles and because of having so many (I also own an '83 Ford F150 4x4 and an '02 Chrysler Sebring Limited convertible) about once or twice a week is all any of them are used... often for nothing more than a run to the grocery store, out to dinner, or to work.  By alternating that way, I can sometimes drive several of them in a day's time.  Well, enough about that.
I'm looking forward to getting to know all of you and maybe even finding the Pinto of my dreams here!
As a guest, I have read through many of the forum postings and am amazed at the wealth of knowledge evident here.  It gives me reason to hope that when I DO find my Pinto, I'll have a ready resource to turn to for help!  Thanks in advance! 
Here's wishing everyone a SUPER weekend!!!
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.