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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Ford bringing back (not so old) nameplate

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Quote from: oldcarpierre on August 12, 2007, 11:00:54 PM
Well folks, 6 months after the announcement that the Taurus (name) was back, I saw one the other day.  Take the Five Hundred, slap on the front end of the Edge, add clear on red taillights (à la Nissan Altima), and you got yourself an "all new" Taurus.  http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/taurus/

I just looked at the Ford website, and they have completely dropped any references to the Five Hundred.  Also gone is the station wagon version, which they used to call the Freestyle.  That one is now called the Taurus X (as in Cross-Over).  http://www.fordvehicles.com/crossovers/taurusx/

To me, a wagon is a wagon is a wagon, but that's just me.  I actually like wagons.

Also on the Ford Website is a facelifted Focus.  http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/2008focus/gallery/?tag=Photo%20gallery

It looks good, and hopefully will bring young people to the blue oval brand.  No reference to a wagon for the 2008.  Again, I am biased towards them, even though car executives consider that term uncool, but I hope they change their mind on this one.  Now if Ford had a sense of humor, they would call this reskinned Focus the all new Pinto.

Not that any of us could ever afford one, but what happened to the GT?  Gone from the website also.

Lastly, they are previewing a new vehicle to be launched next summer as a 2009 model.  It is called the Flex, and it seems to be targeted at the Honda Element crowd.   It may take a little getting used to.  http://www.fordvehicles.com/flex/

As of now, beyond replacing my wife's 2001 Taurus wagon with a 2005 taurus wagon, my next Ford is still going to be a 2002 Thunderbird.

i have liked fords from way back in the ealy '60's.  especially the wagons.  my dad brought us kids up on / in a 1963 ford country squire that had a 390 and a 3 spd on the tree.  he drove a '62 t-bird that had a hi compression 390 ( a police interceptor motor and trans) that had cast iron headers and a three duece carb setup along with a hotter factory cam and higher compression.  when he sold that i talked him into leting me put the intake sysem and the headers off the t-bird on to the wagon.  thats what got me into the hot rod game when i was a kid
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osiyo59

Well, Just took a look at Ford's website and all I can say is I'll stick with my PINTO, Thank you. Ford needs to pull their heads out of their :showback: and read some of the stuff we have posted on this site. Remember when driving was about exitement? Ford doesn't. What does the general public need to do to get American car manufacturer's ATTENTION!?
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oldcarpierre

Well folks, 6 months after the announcement that the Taurus (name) was back, I saw one the other day.  Take the Five Hundred, slap on the front end of the Edge, add clear on red taillights (à la Nissan Altima), and you got yourself an "all new" Taurus.  http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/taurus/

I just looked at the Ford website, and they have completely dropped any references to the Five Hundred.  Also gone is the station wagon version, which they used to call the Freestyle.  That one is now called the Taurus X (as in Cross-Over).  http://www.fordvehicles.com/crossovers/taurusx/

To me, a wagon is a wagon is a wagon, but that's just me.  I actually like wagons.

Also on the Ford Website is a facelifted Focus.  http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/2008focus/gallery/?tag=Photo%20gallery

It looks good, and hopefully will bring young people to the blue oval brand.  No reference to a wagon for the 2008.  Again, I am biased towards them, even though car executives consider that term uncool, but I hope they change their mind on this one.  Now if Ford had a sense of humor, they would call this reskinned Focus the all new Pinto.

Not that any of us could ever afford one, but what happened to the GT?  Gone from the website also.

Lastly, they are previewing a new vehicle to be launched next summer as a 2009 model.  It is called the Flex, and it seems to be targeted at the Honda Element crowd.   It may take a little getting used to.  http://www.fordvehicles.com/flex/

As of now, beyond replacing my wife's 2001 Taurus wagon with a 2005 taurus wagon, my next Ford is still going to be a 2002 Thunderbird.
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CHEAPRACER

Quote from: oldcarpierre on February 17, 2007, 10:28:57 PM
BlueGoldPinto

Brand preferences form at an early age.  Any business that is incapable of enticing young people to adopt their product is doomed to extinction.


Absolutely correct!!!!!  in the early 90's  when the tuner thing kicked in all they had was crappy Escorts and a bubble eyed Neon or a used "k" car, oh and did anyone think the Cavalier was cool? Now they're buying Camry's, Accords and Tundras.
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Tercin

My neighbor works for Chrysler at the Fenton MO truck plant. The story was that they were going to close that plant. At the last minute they decided to eliminate one shift from the Minivan plant that is across the street. A plant in Michigan and Delaware will also be closing. Meanwhile Toyota is on a pace to become the number one automaker by the end of this year. Toyota is non union as are the other "tranplants" , my neighbor said that their contract is up this year and he is expecting a lot of concessions to come up as part of the bargain. It looks very likely that the unions are really going to feel the pain in the coming years. I also heard that Buick is the more popular car among the up and coming middle class in China, sounds good until you realize that the Buicks that they like are made in China.

Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
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oldcarpierre

Tercin,

As you know, I work in plastics.  I am aware of more and more plastic parts being molded in China, and brought to be installed in cars made in Canada and America.  That is the Wal Mart way (and Wal Mart is evil).

The domestic content in domestic cars is going down every year.  Conversely, the domestic content in "transplants" (that is what they call the plants that are cranking out "foreign" cars domestically) is going up every year.
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2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

Tercin

It seems to me that Ford GM and Chrysler don't really care if they make cars in the US. They are all involved in China and that is where the cheap labor is. They see Wal Mart bringing in junk from China and selling it cheap. The big three figure they may as well do it too.  The Japanese did that to our electronics industry and now you can't buy an American made tv or stereo, the same will happen with our auto industry if we don't develop some type of legislation or get our foreign competitors to re value their currency that is kept artificially low. Very grim indeed, if this keeps up, the next time we are in a war we will be buying our tanks, planes and bullets from the Chinese, we won't have the capacity in this country to make that stuff.

Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

oldcarpierre

BlueGoldPinto

Brand preferences form at an early age.  Any business that is incapable of enticing young people to adopt their product is doomed to extinction.
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2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

osiyo59

I wrot to Ford as well and even addressed the letter directly to Bill Ford! I got the same BS form letter back. At least they sent back the pictures of the Aussie Fords I had included. What is it going to take to make them understand that Americans want excitement! The cars and trucks they are building Down Under are way more exciting than aything being built here in the States, and Ford is a AMERICAN company!  :wow: are they thinking. I will not even consider a new car unless they were to bring the Falcon Ute over here. I am still trying to work it out to import one over here. There is a whole lot of Federal BS and red tape to go through. Older stuff is easy but the new ones are difficult due to federal safty standards and state emissions laws. I will get mine eventually! That is all I have to say.
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BlueGoldPinto

Glad to see ford took my advice! ;) If you search the board you should be able to find the e-mail I e-mailed to Ford complaining about the "recent announcement" to stop making Taurus's and that I thought the 500 would be a flop and how it was a shame that the Taurus had been the dog of the Ford family for years and they were just gonna quit making it..... they e-mailed me back and said that they would keep my letter on file for reference.......how very interesting, enough people must have complained also. Interestingly enough,the 500 is actually an older nameplate than "Taurus" is anyway, for all you Ford fans out there who remember the Fairlane 500, and really thats what the car was supposed to be, I think anyway, a retro of that. You guys are right about one thing though, I don't really think that changing the name is going to do anything for a flop.What was the saying? "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." Only in this case, it would be, "A car by any other name would sell as slow." And your right about there really being NO excitement in the Ford line right now. The Edge? A Ford CR-V.  (The Arcadia, a GMC CR-V) And the Ford Edge looks almost exactly like it's Lincoln counterpart, whatever they're calling that, they decided to skip right over Mercury on that model. And mabye if they would mix it up a little instead of making Luxury and price options as the only difference in their nameplates(Ford, Mercury, Lincoln) they might have something. But then again, they've done it for years, so why change now? If the Thunderbird hadn't been so overpriced, it would have been a good seller, or at least I think. It is a really nice looking car. They did a good job on the Mustang, but how long are they gonna keep that retro body style without giving it a little bit of a face lift? I hope to god not to long, becasue then I think that people will start to loose interest, look what happened to the VW New Beetle (of which I'm a proud new owner of a 2000 Turbo with a 5-Speed :fastcar: :) ;)) But anyway, people have really lost interest in the "new" design-because it's not new anymore. Then again, they really didn't change that much back in the late 40's through the late 70's either, but the cars still sold. Why? BECUSE THEY WERE PRICED RIGHT. And that's antoher thing. How many of you guys would flock to buy a new car, I don't care what it is, if it had a good price tag on it? Look at Scion and Kia- by no means that I think these cars are wonderful and that they will last an average owner for more than five years- but still, they don't have a bad price tag, and for the new car buying generation, the generation of kids whose parents are buying them their first cars(mostly new, they want the best for their kids, right?), and some kids who buy their own cars, for the price of a used 4-6 year old Merc or Ford or equvilant, they can buy a new xB or Sportage. They are CHEAP cars, but they are priced cheaply too. Hello Selling point? Hello Festiva? Good idae Ford- how much did it cost you to make that Focus-and how much are you selling it to us for, less dealer profit and taxes? Although I must admit that when the focus came out it seemed to me that it was a good seller. BUT then, as usual, they decided it would be cheaper not to give it a face lift and the excitement wore down. Guess that was an expensive mistake-where was it I heard that they were gonna quite making Focus's? FORD-Take  a cue from your past, and yes, you do have one-a more expansive one than Honda and Nissan and even Toyota- and make some body style changes! Thunderbird, for example, you kept the same from 55-57, changed in 58-59, changed in 60, etc. 2-3 model years should be the limit for the SAME body style! But thats just in my opinion. Yes, Ford, GM, Chrysler(which buy the way might be sold to GM-go figure), Unless you spark some excitement in your U.S. Market and introduce some exciting, new, and well priced vehicles( and yes, why not bring some of your overseas models here-and don't give me that emmisions standards crap-YOU WILL BURY YOURSELF IN A GIGANTIC HOLE AND PUT YOURSELF IN THE POSITION TO BE BOUGHT OUT BY YOUR JAPANESE COMPETITERS!! It's that simple. Or not simple, quite tragic in all honesty. You each have you own loyal market, but you must also be able to bring in new loyal customers as well as keeping your old ones. It's not easy, but I think you really need to cut loose your design team. Let the creative jucies flow. Try something new. Isn't that Ford's new slogan? Bold moves? LET'S SEE SOME! Lets face it, the "Edge" isn't going to cut it(no pun intended!)
As for the Falcon-thats so cool they have one over in Australia, I din't know they were still using that name plate!
O.K. that's my rant, sorry for the long read, but it needed to come out. :D
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oldcarpierre

If you're into cars (not trucks), and unless you can afford a GT, the only exciting thing Ford has going for it right now on this side of the pond is the Mustang. 

Since they canned the Thunderbird last year, the only two other "Fords" that turn my crank are a Jag and a Volvo.  Very sad state of affairs.
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14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

crazyhorse

The 500 is just a Ford Avalon. It's big, underpowered & has no "soul" It's not an unattractive car, it's just "a car as an appliance" thing. The Fusion is a Ford Accord, It's got a REALLY nice option list, but doesn't have the reputation to compete with the Camry/Accord/Altima. I understand that it's been judged to be the better car than those 3, but People who drive Camrys are fiercely brand loyal. Ford lost that in the 80's with most american makes. It's a shame that even though J.D. Power is ranking american cars right behind Germans, the perception has been ruined by the "quick & dirty" days 20 years ago. Ford needs to find it's "soul" again, and build cars that americans want.

OK enough ranting.... back to your regularly scheduled forum ;)


PS I'd LOVE to see the aussie Falcon here... especially the ute...MMMMMM new Ranchero *drool*
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osiyo59

Check out the gallery for a couple AUssie FORDs
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osiyo59

I agree that FORD should bring some of the cars from Australia to the States. I've ben four times and They are more performance driven. I rode in a 2005 falcon with a 600HP! 6 cyl. What a rush!
1966 Mercury M100 Custom Cab 5.8L EFI/AOD
1973 Pinto Wagon Daily driver (For Sale in Classifieds)
1973 Pinto Squire 2.0EFI/Turbo

"Man is not FREE unless Government is LIMITED!" - President Ronald Reagan

Tercin

It is going to take more than a name change to fix the problems at Ford. For starters they need to quit harassing companies that use their trademarked names when they sell parts for those cars. Ford should also consider selling some of the cars they make abroad, here. They have some nice and fast cars that are made in Australia as well as the European Focus. These cars appear to be much more stylish and performance oriented than some of the toads they sell here such as the 500. It is not a very exciting car and a name change isn't going to help. The philosophy of if you can't do it by design, do it by decal is only a bandaid on a gaping cut. 

Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

oldcarpierre

Just heard on the news tonight that Ford realized that there was still a lot of goodwill left in the Taurus name.  It plans to rebadge the slow selling Five Hundred with the TAURUS moniker for the 2008 model year.  Here is a thought.  While they are at it, why not rename the Fusion MAVERICK, and the Focus the PINTO?

oldcarpierre
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain