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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

What's this Pinto worth?

Started by db, September 19, 2006, 12:50:59 PM

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Srt

the underside doesn't look very good at all.. parts car is my opinion
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

junkyard dog

I wouldn't have much problem paying 500  for it...
I wouldn;t count on the engine being much good witout a rebuild though.

krazi

well shoot, it looks like surface rust to me. my wagon sat for 5 years with a broken window and the door windows rolled down before I rescued it from the crusher. the floor in front of the drivers seat was completely gone, and the passenger side was starting to go. the exhaust is full of holes, the rear quarters are pretty bad, I've sanded them to bare metal and rattle-canned some primer on them, and the interior has a musty smell when it's humid or raining.if I knew where this car was, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

krazi
yeah, I'm Krazi!

Cookieboystoys

Krazi, my 73 has rust too.... I'm gonna lose my rear quarters if I don't do something soon. But I bought the tires and wheels and got my 73 for free (that's how I look at it anyhow)

look at the pics again... # 5, 9, 31, 51 and 52 are some of the best examples. Body looks ok for now but it will not be long and the rust will spread and then body parts will start flappin'. Look at the bottom of doors, by the hood latch and mostly under the car... from what I see any work done to the underside and bolts will brake. Exhaust front to back will need to be replaced, Shocks look bad, front springs... there is no oil or dirt protecting the metal under this car, everthing is all origional and it has all been exposed and allowed to rust away. 

I've been lucky with my car and it sat for a few years... have it running good enough to drive but has taken 2 months and appox $600 to do it. I still have more work to do and money to spend. I wouldn't trade my rusty body for the underside of this pinto. I've been under my car and it looks much better than this one.

However DB asked for opinions and I gave mine... considering the underside rust and 13 years of not running I would buy this one cheap.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

krazi

rust? where? my daily driver wagon doesn't look near as nice as that car.

Quote from: Cookieboy on September 19, 2006, 01:13:43 PM
that looks to be a lot of rust....
yeah, I'm Krazi!

77turbopinto

A lot of us have the 'luxury' of having owned and worked on them to understand what it cost to get them fixed how we want them, not to mention what parts are available and the costs of them. If you can do much of the work yourself, you might be willing to pay more for the car than someone that can't. We paid the most for Connie's Pinto and it had the WORST body (for rust and dents, less the racecars) of all 9 we have ever owned, was in the worst running/road-worthy condition of all the running ones, but the floors are mint and the interior is the best of all the cars.

Even with all the good photos, it is VERY hard to judge the true condition by them. If I were close by, I would come over and look at it with you (I think many of us would).

Take a look on ebay for sold pintos and parts cars; it is amazing the range of prices, and how much the prices have gone up lately ($13,800.).

Bill
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TIGGER

I bought almost the same car earlier this year for $75.  The only difference is mine is a hatch and I do not have power brakes.  My car looks to have 86K and it was running and driving.  The body and floor boards are rust free with few dents in the front fenders and roof but the interior is trashed.  Since the interior of "your" car is in decent shape and the car is low mileage, I would go with what Cookieboy said.  Offer $200-$300.  Maybe in the future you could find a better body and swap the better parts over?
79 4cyl Wagon
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db

Quote from: 77turbopinto on September 19, 2006, 01:37:14 PM

If it were me, I would just buy it (the reason I have 5 right now).


I'm trying to find out what I should give for the car. When I was under the impression the car was in good condition, I was talking about $500 for it. With the given condition, I am wondering if that is to high.

You guys will know alot better than I will what the average selling price for a car in this condition is.

Thanks.

77turbopinto

That's fine, and just for information, there is a big difference(s) between a N/A and a turbo 2.3. If you do a little searching you will find a bunch of info on that, if you get to that point.

If it were me, I would just buy it (the reason I have 5 right now).

Good luck,
Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

db

Quote from: 77turbopinto on September 19, 2006, 01:30:59 PM
First, where are you?

Second, if you want a turbo, GET A TURBO ENGINE.

Located in SE-MI, and the turbo engine is self is also an option. I really would have no set direction or preference at the moment.

77turbopinto

You have come to the right place.

First, where are you?

Second, if you want a turbo, GET A TURBO ENGINE.

Third, handling stuff is very do-able with very little work (turbo or N/A 2.3 anyway).

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

db

I was origionally under the impression the car was in better condition. I guess he never really looked at it and guessed.

As for the work, yes I would be doing all of it. This would be my 1st venture into body work.

As for it's proposed purpose, it would be a street car mainly, with occassional auto-xing maybe.

I would want to rebuild/turbo the 2.3 or swap out for a v8. Also increase the handling as much as I could.

The budget at the moment for the "project" would be about $2000.

I have been messing with neons for quite awhile and am tired of them so I'm kinda looking for something else, and came across this car.

77turbopinto

I agree with Cookie.


Sometimes sitting that long is worse than a car with higher miles.

It seems to need a bunch of detail and rust work(compaired to around here, that car is awsome), but what is it worth to you and what do you want it for?


Bill
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Cookieboystoys

hasn't been driven in 13 years.... and that looks to be a lot of rust....

I wouldn't pay more that a couple hundred bucks... "If" I was willing to spend a bunch of money and time fixing it up for a daily driver.

Are you able to do the work yourself??? that would be the first question to ask...

If someone offered that to me based on the pics and info you gave I would spend $200-$300 and I would buy it for parts only. I want the front seats for my 73 and motor might be worth overhaul for my 77 wagon.

just my opinion  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

db

A friend of mine inherited this car and I'm thinking of getting it from him. I have never looked into anything Pinto until he mentioned having the car.

I went and looked at it last night and snapped a bunch of pictures.

http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f345/dbrown35/Pinto/?sc=1&addtype=local

The car is a 1980 trunk model, 1 owner, 39,xxx miles, 2.3 manual trans. Hasn't been run since 1993.

He did say that about a year ago they tried starting it with fuel down the carb and it start and ran for a second until that gas was gone.

Thanks for any input.