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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Looking at getting a pinto, have questions

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k_harvic_29

I posted in another "Pinto.com" forum that said that if you were meant to blow up and burn to death in a wreck, it would happen in almost any car. I owned a '75 Pinto that was such a rustbucket that when I slammed the doors shut, peaces of the bodywork fell off. But I NEVER worried about blowing up. I currently drive a 1991 CHEVROLET Cavalier and the petrol tank is almost exactly where the Pinto's were. And you have to look at the poor quality of materials they use in cars there days.


So I say... "don't worry about burning alive in your Pinto. If it happens, it happens."
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joecool85

Quote from: onefarmer on July 26, 2006, 07:46:51 AM
If you don't have kids yet, it will be a while before they are 6' and you need to worry about their leg room ;)

Thats what I was thinking.  Good to know.
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onefarmer

I was 6' both of my parents were 5'9". I did sit side ways alot but I remember testing the MII and the Pinto, both must have been '77s, The Pinto had more room back there. I am an only child so I didn't have to share the back seat all the time. But if a friend rode along I still didn't feel crowded. Guess it was a good thing my parents weren't 6' also. Just my memories of the time, it has been a while ~30yrs
If you don't have kids yet, it will be a while before they are 6' and you need to worry about their leg room ;)

goodolboydws

Hey farmer,

The questions are, how tall were you at 14, and how short are your parents? I'll bet that they didn't have the FRONT seats back all the way, or close to it. or you wouldn't be talking about how your long legs fit well in the rear of the car. Or maybe you sat back there alone or sideways exclusively? On the other hand, at 14, a lot of guys are still skinny and don't have any butt to speak of, so that helps.

I'm barely 6' and I know that I was never comfortable, legroom-wise in the rear seat of any Pinto that I've owned, ('71, '77, '79), at least if I had the front seat slid anywhere near to fully back. Good thing that I was driving 99.44% of the time and riding shotgun the rest of the time.

The '67 Mustang Fastback I had was just as bad on that score.

onefarmer

Quote from: joecool85 on July 23, 2006, 05:06:00 PM
I was hoping that when I have kids I would be able to have them in the back without much issue.


When I was about 14 my parents were looking at MII's and Pintos. My long legs fit the Pinto back seat much better then the MII. We ended up with a new 77 Pinto that went over 125k before it was sold.

I got my own 77P when I was 17. Loved it

dirt track demon

Considering the amount of force it is going to take to cause the tank to hit the axle,  you are probably as likely to break your neck as to explode anyway.  Considering how much hype there was about this issue compared to the very few that actually exploded, it ws all a bunch of crap in my opinion.   a little over 100 exploded cars versus the millions of them that were made.  I spun out once at about 60 mph and rear ended a rock wall and im still here. drove the car home too.  ( it was a trunk model)

  The class my dirt tracker ran in, required factory fuel tanks in factory location, the amusing thing was, people would wipe out to avoid rear ending me. ;)
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The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

joecool85

I noticed from 1971 till 1975 each pinto gained about 100lbs or so each year.  My guess is most of it was in the rear end.
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oldkayaker

I had the factory recall stuff added to my 71.  From distant memory, I believe the dealer said the plastic shield was to prevent the gas tank form being punctured by sharp edges of the rear end when the tank is pushed forward.  Also part of the recall was a longer fill pipe.  This made it more unlikely that the tank would be separated from the pipe when the tank is pushed forward (preventing another gas spill source).  My 71 was rear ended and totalled but did not spill a drop of gas.

To minimize your exposure, the wagons are stronger in the rear.  They have structural members (frame) on both sides of the tank (less likely to crush the tank).  The 71 and 72 sedans have nothing around the tank.  The 73 sedan has a member but only on the fill pipe side of the tank.  I looked under a 79 sedan and it had members behind and on both sides of the tank.

Have fun with your project.
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joecool85

I plan on relocating the battery to trunk, reinforcing the rear area, and having sand in the back during the winter months.  I guess I should have told you guys that in about 2-4 years I am planning on starting a hotrod shop.  I'm not a noob to cars and frame building etc, just to pintos.
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goodolboydws

P.S.  If you want some weight for winter traction, a better idea is a bag or 2 of sand or gravel. Helps with traction and can help you afterwards if you get stuck.  (And it doesn't do the knd of damage to the car bags of salt would do if you forget and leave it in all year.)

goodolboydws

jopecool,

Unless you are a VERY experienced weldor/fabricator with lots of frame building experience and unibody work in particular, don't even consider adding "some support for the rear end behind the bumper...." on a Pinto, especially if it is one of the earlier cars with the weaker, non-impact bumpers and isn't a wagon body.

If you don't do this well, you will actually be making the car LESS safe from a rear end impact.

The whole point of the recall for installing the plastic gas tank shield (I call it a prayer cloth) was to put something NON-metallic in between the gas tank and the differential, to stop a potential spark from crushing/deforming metal igniting the gas in the event of a severe enough rear impact that the tank and differential made contact.

If you add extra metal pieces BEHIND the gas tank (which is basically anything between it and the rear bumper on the sedan models), and don't do it in a very well designed and well executed way, there will be a high potential for whatever you are adding to contribute to rupturing the gas tank directly as soon as the rear end of the car starts to accordian inwards.

If there was an easy retroactive fix for the earlier cars, (not a band-aid solution such as the shield), even if Ford didn't come up with one, it would have been done at the time by some smart aftermarket people. Due to the very high number of Pintos sold, there would have been a big market for this, but they all stayed away from it because of the potential liability aspect. That should tell you something.

joecool85

Do you have any pics of your car I can see?  I really haven't seen any pinto wagons.  Are they hard to find?  I'm really curious about the back "trunk" area.  I drove a 1994 mercury tracer wagon for a couple years, I think space wise the pinto wagon should be close in size.
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78squirewagon

I love my 78 Squire wagon. You would be surprised as to how much stuff you can load into the back of one of those things plus you can put more stuff on the roof rack. Since mine is the Squire, people go nuts over it because there are not too many of them left. I also like telling people that it has the extra couple of inches from the bumper to the gas tank when they ask if it was one of the ones that exploded.
If you get a Pinto, expect a lot of jokes and ribbing but also expect a lot of stories because a lot of people had them.

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joecool85

I'm not too too worried about beefing up the rear end.  I will make sure I either get one with the recall kit, or get a recall kit to install.  But I'm also going to add some support for the rear end behind the bumper to not only make it safer, but add some weight in the rear to help with winter traction.  Also, I will consider a wagon because unlike a lot of people, I actually enjoy them.
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goodolboydws

And if you have a choice, you might want to consider getting a wagon, and not just for the practicality of having more space to haul people AND their stuff....

There's more mass to the wagons, and being heavier often helps in a collision with just about any newer car, as many are getting heavy again, and not just the SUV's and pickups. Plus there's more car behind the rear passenger compartment to crush first and help absorb a rear end hit if it comes to that. 

The later Pintos actually had fairly substantial impact bumpers, but few people like that look as well as the sportier "tin foil" bumpers on the earlier ones.

oldcarpierre

I bought Pinto number 1 (1973 sedan) in early 1979, a few months after Ford finally admitted the safety flaw.   Nobody wanted them, and I bought my first set of wheels with only 39000 miles for $400.

Being eighteen, I was also immortal at the time.  I was feeling pretty smug about my purchase and I was not going to bother about that sissy recall.   Then one day, I was on a highway going 50 and traffic stopped dead.   I looked in my mirror, and I saw that the guy behind me was talking to his passenger, unaware of their fate, and by extension my fate.

In my mind, I could see the video showing how both cars were engulfed in an instant (you can view this video somewhere on this website).   I took my seatbelt off and was ready to jump out of the car and over the car that was (also stopped) to my left.   In the end, the driver behind me slammed on the brakes, and when I saw that he was going to make it I decided against jumping out.   I got to live.   From there, I drove directly to my local Ford dealer and booked an appointment for "Safety Recall 293".

Before I recently bought Pinto number 2 (1974 sedan), I found out that "Safety Recall 293" had never been performed on it.   I got on the phone with Ford Canada and asked if they could help.   They did not have the parts to perform the recall, but they put me in contact with Green Sales in Cincinnati.   Green Sales had several kits in stock.   I bought two.   One to put on the car, and the other one to show.  The first thing I did when I got home is to drive to my Ford dealer and have one of these two kits installed.   I thought Ford Canada would pick up the cost, but no.   It would appear that there is a statute of limitations on safety recalls.   That is a story for another day.

This recall is the biggest part of the Pinto's history and is what made it famous.   It made it famous for a reason.   Do yourself a favor and have the recall kit installed.
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joecool85

Ah, thats cool.  I just haven't been in one yet, so I didn't know how well kids would fit in back.  Thanks for sharing!  I have kinda big plans for this.  But, I have time to plan.  I won't be out of college for 2 more years, and that would be the soonest I could start this.

The plan is basically to get a pinto (1974 preferably), dump the old motor/trans/rear end and put in a 3.0 V6, transmission and rear from a ranger.  The 3.0 V6 vulcan is one of my favorite motors, and this would be a great application.  150hp/185tq would go great in a 2400lb pinto  :o  Should be in the 6.5 to 7 second 0-60 ranger and get 28-30mpg highway.
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grgic

QuoteHow old are your kids?  I was hoping that when I have kids I would be able to have them in the back without much issue.

Joe
My 8 and 12 yr old boys ride in it all the time, my 14 year old daughter rides in it if she has to and my 17 yr old daughter wont even admit that it exists, Not sure if it will ever see a car seat for my newborn daughter but when she gets older I would like to think she will ride in it.

Joe

Blacksheep22

If you get a Pinto you can check if it has had the recall done by looking under the left rear tire. All the recall consisted of was a big plastic shield between the gas tank and the rearend. Like 77turbopinto said if you go with a fuel cell, you need to do it right or it would be worse then the stock tank. Check with some local racers or builders if you go that route so you can do it properly. A Pinto is no more unsafe than alot of the small cars on the road today in my opinion, but opinions are like A-holes.....everybody has one! :showback: Have fun with it and be sure to show us some pics of it when you get it built.
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joecool85

Quote from: jgpinto72 on July 23, 2006, 03:41:49 PM
My 72 is my daily driver, I take my kids in it, I drive it on the highway every day at 65+ mph. It does have the recall fix but i wouldn't feel any less safe if it didn't. I feel a Pinto is as safe as any 26 to 36 year old car and It would depend on the over all condition of the vehicle
Just my opinion
Joe


Alright.  I do know its been posted on here often, as I did search first.  So I guess I shouldn't have asked lol.  How old are your kids?  I was hoping that when I have kids I would be able to have them in the back without much issue.

I have kinda big plans for doing up a pinto.  I don't want carbs, so I have a good motor swap planned to solve that.  I think its one that hasn't been done before.

And my name is Joe too  ;D
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77turbopinto

That question is posted often.

I am not posting here to try to talk you in to, or out of getting Pinto, I am just giving a few details to ponder.

Ford did LOTS of rear impact testing, and unless you do the same with any modifications that you do, you will never know how "safe" the car is. I have seen what damage improperly installed "safety equipment" can do.

I have seen people install a racing gas tank INSIDE the car. Trunk or hatch car, I still like the gastank OUTSIDE the body of the car.

ANY CAR THAT IS DRIVEN IS UNSAFE.

I was on a motorcycle and was hit from behind; I would have rather been in a Pinto at the time.

Do what YOU feel comforable with. I don't wish to sound cold, but if you don't feel safe in a Pinto, don't drive one.

Bill
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grgic

My 72 is my daily driver, I take my kids in it, I drive it on the highway every day at 65+ mph. It does have the recall fix but i wouldn't feel any less safe if it didn't. I feel a Pinto is as safe as any 26 to 36 year old car and It would depend on the over all condition of the vehicle
Just my opinion
Joe

joecool85

Ok, I always thought pintos were cool little cars, and I am now thinking about getting one.  I have a question though, how important is it to do something about the gas tank?  I was thinking about putting a fuel cell in the trunk and maybe some sort of custom filler on the back of the car?  Not sure.  Anyway, I just want it to be safe as it would be my daily driver.
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