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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

5spd. & T-5 Install/Swap Information

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dholvrsn

So how many of these factory tranny mounts were there?
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77turbopinto

Quote from: dholvrsn on May 13, 2008, 05:08:15 PM
.....I think it's a C-4, there are 13 bolts on the pan.....

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,5548.msg33496.html#msg33496

As far as the slotting of the mount braket, it would depend on what mount you plan to use. IIRC the bracket needs to be spun 180* to clear the back of the tranny, and that will take up most of the extra room needed.

Bill
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dholvrsn

I'm interested in finding out more about the cross-member surgery.

I took my Pinto apart today. The measurement from the front of the bell to the eye center of the rear mount of the old C-4 (I think it's a C-4, there are 13 bolts on the pan) is 20-3/4".

The measurement from the front of the front of the T-5 bell to the center of the rear mount eyes is 22".

I'm confused. It sounds like I'll be hacking the cross member to move the holes 1.25" backwards. As opposed to moving them 3/4" inch forwards as mentioned earlier in this FAQ. Yikes! Help!
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

77turbopinto

Quote from: dholvrsn on May 03, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
I'm wondering if a regular drive shaft will work with the T-5 or if you need one with that special dampener disk on the front knuckle?

I have used both with, and without the dampner and have had no problems with either.

Bill
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dholvrsn

I'm wondering if a regular drive shaft will work with the T-5 or if you need one with that special dampener disk on the front knuckle?
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Pintony

I have never had a Pinto clutch cable fail.
BUT anything is possible!!!!
If you keep them lubed-up they last forever...
From Pintony

gearhead440

I am in the process of installing a T5 into my 80 Pinto and was pondering the installtion of a new Mustang clutch cable.  Since mine is now 28 years old  :surprised: and I want to drive it for several more years, it would probably be prudent to install a new cable.  Any thoughts or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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77turbopinto

I am in the process of installing a 2.3T and T-5 in my Bobcat.

Someone has posted photos of what they did to avoid notching the crossmember with the use of a bellcrank bell (if I find them I will post a link). That person used a bracket that bolted to the cable hole in the bell. I wanted to do something with the bracket that the 2.3T has that connects the bottom of the bell to the left lower part of the block; I welded a bracket I made to that. I will post some photos soon.


Bill
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77turbopinto

Quote from: Pangra74 on February 10, 2008, 01:07:04 PM
Is that a rear sump oil pan? I didn't think there was enough room for one, or did you modify the crossmember?

Joe

IIRC: I think that link shows a Merkur.

Bill
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Pangra74

Is that a rear sump oil pan? I didn't think there was enough room for one, or did you modify the crossmember?

Joe
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turbopinto72

This link will show you some trick stuff. You can install the V8 Bell housing, flywheel pressure plate.

http://rothfam.com/svo/belladapter/
Brad F
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77turbopinto

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Quote from: 77turbopinto on March 10, 2007, 10:36:09 PM
The Hummer is the name (maybe not by Ford) of the 4spd that was used by Ford in all the Pintos that had a M/T.

Like Tony said, the T-9 is basicly Hummer 4spd with an overdrive added to it, kind of like the B/W 4spds used in the Musang II's having the O/D added and it became the T-5.

The 86 T/C M/T cars came with the T-5, bell crank style bell, and a larger diameter clutch than a Pinto.

The T-5 is FAR better than a T-9, but if you don't (or the last owners) slam it around, the T-9 should be fine.

Use the clutch and flywheel for the bell and fork that you use. If you don't, you might need to work on the pivit for the fork.

Bill

Is it called a hummer because of all the freggin noise it makes? The one in my 74 makes alot of noise. Moreso than the one in my 76.  My 79 is auto, curious to see how much quieter it is. Is the T5 quieter than the pinto 4spds?
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hellfirejim

Cool, thanks.  I am seriously looking at that T-45 conversion with the 5.0 clutch setup and the SFI bellhousing.   Not there just yet but it doesn't hurt to think ahead.

Thanks for the good advice.

jim
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77turbopinto

He used the bell-crank bell. If you use the (hard to find) D4 or D9 B/W direct pull bells, you won't have to worry about the crossmember.

Bill
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hellfirejim

Bill,
Thanks I wasn't aware of that.
jim
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77turbopinto

Jim, Al did those mod.s to the bell because he is putting it on a 2.0.

Bill
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hellfirejim

Actually both as I have a 75 4spd and I know I am going 5 spd when I can.  Any information to smooth the process would be appreciated.

I think the change over has affected some of the links and on my puter it shows up in the new style.  Have you refreshed your computer once you get on site?

jim
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UltimatePinto

Something is going on with the site. It shows uo in the old format on my PC. Have heard others say they can't log on. I suppose that's why the pics aren't showing up.

What were you interested in ?  The crossmember surgery or the bellhousing mod.

I'll try to post the pics again.

Al

hellfirejim

Ultimatepinto, Your pictures are not showing up.  That's a shame cause i rreally wanted to see what you did.
jim
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UltimatePinto


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UltimatePinto

I first started on my install about four or five years ago. At the time I was unaware of other options, ( hydraulic, cable, bellhousings and trannys ), that were out there to work with. I was given a T - 5 that I was told came out of a Mustang converted to a Mini Stock race car by a driver from a local circle track that needed four speeds.

When I got it home, the bellhousing Lo & Behold, fit my 2.0, well almost. So that's where all of the work mentioned above came from.

Now I used a stock auto tranny mount from a 75 Sedan and elongated the holes as mentioned above, and it fit just right. If that were not enough, the drive shaft from the same vehicle also fit, stem to stern, as it were made for the application, 2.0, T - 5, and an eight inch rear.

At this point I was quite pleased with myself until I tried the clutch cable. Not only did it hit the crossmember, but it was a tad short. I took the cable to a local marina and they added a few inches to the cable. I also purchased a longer throwout bearing from Walsh I think. It made the cable adjustment easier.

Anyway, here's what i came up with for my bell mod.

Al


Pintony

I'm sorry Al...
You did all that work for nothing I have the T-5 in my Purple Pinto and I have not notched the crossmember.
I installed my T5 in 1995 Probally the first T-5 in a Pinto???
I did not cut the cross member. I did modify the bell house to fit the 2.0.
Bill straightened me out on the rear tranny mount, as I had mine modified too much and he showed me an easyer way. Thanks Bill.
From Pintony

UltimatePinto

I modified the bell housing to completely fit my two liter.  As I recall the original 2.3 bell's top two bolts were higher and more narrow than the 2.0.

I used a bare block 2.0, a die grinder with a cutting wheel, a sawzall, and some aluminum flat bar to do the job.  This along with an attachment for my wire feed welder to do aluminum. I bolted the unit to the block so it wouldn't shift or warp and welded away.

The only other issue was the dowel pins that located the bell to the block. I believe the 2.3 pins are 1/2" OD ? ?  The 2.0 pins are smaller and metric if I remember right. Had a friend turn some bronze stock at work the alloy of which was made for these kinds of applications.

After all was said and done, the cable did hit the crossmember enough to make it necessary to do the notch. Yes it was a lot of work, but I would gladly do it all over again just to have the T-5 in my Runabout. I had it on the road for a little while with a stock engine and just loved it ! ! ! !

I have to do some engine pics for another thread, will pick out the bellhousing and post on this one while I'm at it.

Al


77turbopinto

Tony, he put the T-5 behind a 2.0 with a modified T/C bellcrank style bell. That bell has the cable attach point MUCH lower than the direct-pull (B/W) D4 or D9 bell.

BTW: I have been to his shop, kool stuff...

Bill
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Pintony

Hello UltimatePinto,
What the heck did youi do all that work for???
The clutch cable works fine on the early Pinto W/O the notch./
From Pintony

UltimatePinto


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