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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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crazyhorse

Quick tip for dealing with ANY corporation. Contact a lawyer, just call & set up an appointment. Hopefully you'll never set foot in thier office, BUT when you tell them that you have an appointment with an attorney, they'll USUALLY jump through hoops to keep from going to court. It works quite well just remember to give the "so called" adjuster the lawyer's name & number. That way she can call & verify your "so called" intent.
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dirt track demon

Try sending them a very official looking and well typed letter via certified mail with the delivery notification option that tells you that they received it, it doesnt cost but a couple of bucks and may put a little more pressure on them to hurry up.    I have had some luck in the past with this, It scared one employer into paying me money that he said he would never pay, he assumed that since the letter was so well written that an attorney wrote it.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

pintoguy76

Id be up there on their butt all the time if the person i was dealing with was local. The adjuster woman im dealing with is in washington state and i am in missouri. Seems like i can never get ahold of anyone from the company on the phone, i always get voice mail. I did however send some information to her from the current issue of old car value guide that i bought at barns&noble and told her i figured my cars value to be 1600.  It isnt worth that, but youve got to give them some room to come down a little. She never emailed me back but i called and left a message when she didnt email me, and she called me back the next day and surprisingly didnt give me a "no" but instead said she got the email and info and was working with her manager to "find an updated value" for the car. Im glad to hear i didnt get a great big "fras you" ("no") from them, so that gives me a little hope. Id settle for 1,000. I think thats fair and it would put me in the pinto i found that i want, if its not sold before we settle up.
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2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

Panhandle Sam

I went thru this with State Farm Insurance when my Chevy Luv was involved in a wreck that wasn't my fault...took 4 months and about 1000 phone calls along with numerous visits to them to get what I said the truck was worth...gotta just keep hagglin and naggin them and before long they'll get tired of hearing from you and they'll be like "What's it gunna take..just to get you off our backs?" That's when you got um!
Good luck...I've followed this sotry from the beginning and I'll be here for the end as well.
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skrach

yeah i will try to get a quote soon..  and i didnt save the floors cause they were rusted. plus most of the back floor (the trunk area) i saved for my car. but, i will keep an eye out for another car. that i can snag.
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pintoguy76

skrach did you happen to save the floor pans? i do need the quarter panel i think or aleast part of it. im scared to see the shipping bill tho. lol. can you get a quote for me to 65806?
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

skrach

i cut up that green car but i stil have the 1/4's if you need them
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madmike8

Refuse to accept for anything less than $1000... They'll keep offering.. you keep refusing... they have to close the claim... it'll just take a long time...

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dirt track demon

You may have to go after the person who hit you in small claims court to recover the rest.  I have talked to people who have had to do that. 
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

pintoguy76

They said thats the most they could pay because thats the best value they could get from a dealer..... a dealer.... go figure....they f**k everyone out of money. Theyd pay 565 for the car and sell it for two or three times that. Mine would probably be worth it, since its got little rust, new radiator, battery, hoses, belts, tie rod ends, voltage regulator,starter, starter solenoid, battery cables, tune up, distributor, control module, master cylinder, brake hoses and calipers, brake springs, wheel cylinders, tires., exhaust, carburetor, fuel pump, shocks, transmission, clutch/pressure plate, ujoints.. i could go on and on. Got another couple hundred dollars in parts for it, too. Have a brand new rack and pinion, ragjoint, cylinder head, energy suspension control arm busings, strut rod bushings and rack and pinion bushings too. Not sure how much that all adds up to but id say its worth more than 565 dollars, wouldnt you? The paints still shiney, the chrome bumpers, while not perfect by any means, still look great!. GRrrrrr this stresses me out! I'll fight for more tho, until they give in.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

phils toys

have you tried talking to your insurance company for a better price?
my 76 bobcat wagon is insured at $4000  replacement cost. but that is antique insurance.
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pintoguy76

finally got the insurance company to accept liability for my accident, but they only want to give me 563 for my pinto. They say salvage value for it is 23 dollars so if i want to keep it, they will deduct 23 dollars from the 563 and ill keep the car but ill have  salavge title which i do not want. i also do not want to accept 565 dollars either. i need to establish a higher value for my car than what they have. id say mines worth 1000 atleast especially after the inconveniences ive had. i bought an "Old Car Price Guide"  magazine froma bookstore and i says my car should be worth 1000, assuming it is in condition 3 which i think mine is or is close to. Does anyone know how i can find a better value for a 76 pinto sedan?  140k miles 4 speed 4 cylinder (2.3) some rust shiney paint tho... from 20 feet away it looks pretty good but can tell it needs some work to be perfect. i have pics in the pics section but my camera does not show it as nice as it is. The woman at the insurance company says she is not obligated to fix my car or replace it, she says she is obligated to pay me only the value of my car. The value should be what it will cost ME to replace it here, even if its not an identicle car (ive NEVER seen one identicle or even close to what mine is). That is just my opinion tho. What do you guys think?

1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

78pinto

hope you get some good $$$ out of it. To others........read this...

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php?topic=545.0

mine is insured for $18000. i have more than that into it, but its better than some pencil pusher looking in a book and telling me "your car is worth $500 according to our little black book"
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madmax96101

hope you get this all fixed. it sucks that it even happened.

pintoguy76

Still havnt heard from the insurance company yet. I called them back today and they said the reason they hadnt called me back yet is because they hadnt heard back from the guy that hit me. The said when i called them the other day that since he had not called and reported the accident yet, that they had to call him and verify that information with him before they could file the claim, and then it would be 24-48 hrs after that before i heard from them. Anyways they went ahead and filed the claim, since I had to call them back and it has been six days. They're gonna try to call him again tomorrow and then they will call me. They gave me a claim number and a name/phone number for the adjuster. Its a woman ;D i'm thrilled at that. Woman are usually cunts when it comes to them having any authority but women absolutly do not intimidate me any at all. ;D I'll threaten court if i have to. I went to urgent care the other day and talked to the doctor, my back does hurt a little since the accident, but it did some before the accident too. The guy really didnt check me out all that much just asked me where it hurt then told me i strained my back, gave me 10 days worth of flexeril (muscle relaxer) and told me to check up with my doctor. Today a new pain appeard, it feels like it starts at my neck on the left side and goes down a few inches. Maybe whiplash or tension or something. Anyways i cant see my doctor until next week, he's "out sick" (odd that he knows when hes gonna return tho). Once i do i'm sure I'll have more medical bills and even more leverage for getting pain and suffering out of them. Which i think i deserve. I've gone thru hell! And its their drivers fault! Anyways that may be where i have to get the money to fix this car because i dont know that they are going to give me what i need to get this fixed. I am gonna do whatever it takes to atleast get the car where its doesnt have a salvage title. I'll let you know when i get more info.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

oldcarpierre

Guys,

I just looked up a couple of Pinto brochures.   The 1971 sedan with the base engine (1600cc) is listed at 2030 lbs.   The 1973 brochure lists the sedan at 2210 lbs with the 1600cc engine.   The 1974 brochure lists the sedan at 2443 lbs, but that was with the 2000cc engine.   I don't know how much of the 1973 to 1974 gain is due to the bigger base engine, and how much is due to the bumpers.   1974 was the first year for the large bumpers on struts.   They were massive compared to the original.   They also added 4.5 inches to the overall length (again from the brochure).

76pintoguy
That e-bay auction is now at $3800 with hours to go.   Reserve has been met.

Oldcarpierre
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

pintoguy76

Well mercury always has been a higher end ford....always being a bit more expensive from what ive seen....what i think i may remember seeing is that ford promised there would be no major changes for five years... and after that, then theyd start with the changes. 76 started with a new grille (and im pretty sure was over 2,000#), then 77 changed majorly...then 79 changed again.....and 80 halted production. The bobcat didnt come out until 75 i think... that would make the 5 year mark right there....in which time i can see both the pinto and bobcat being allowed to exceed 2000# and $2000. This is just my theory tho, but i think i remember reading that somewhere. And yes your right you just cant kill a pinto  ;D My other 76 had 344k on it before i sold it...the body might as well have rusted away from the rest of the car. but it still ran. lol.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

Panhandle Sam

Well while we're on this subject...it so happens I worked for a ford dealership once upon a time and I remember hearing the tales of $2000 for 2000 lbs and to confirm another gent here, yes that was in 71 and 72. In 1980 I was employeed by Capitol Lincoln/Ford/Mercury in Boise,Idaho. (That was my part time job, cause my full time then was w/ the state parks and rec dept).
But anyway, I drove several brand new Mercury Bobcats "dealer demos" I remember seeing sticker prices on those cars depending on options anywhere from $4,200 to $4,750.

I drove those lil cars like I had stole them and couldn't tear one up for anything no matter what I did, bear in mind I tried my hardest to imitate Robert Blake who was quite famous then with his TV show called "Barretta"  :lol:

This later lead to me collecting Pinto's an Bobcats for a few years, because those cars were just soooo tough! During that same era while working for the Parks Dept I was driving brand new Chevy Luvs every year. Well, I'd better stop right here before the Chevy bashings start  :lol:

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oldcarpierre

pintoguy76

You are correct about the 2000 dollars and (2000 pounds) when it was introduced (I believe in 1970) as a 1971 model, however the seventies were a period of wicked inflation, so I could see how a well optioned (AC) 1976 would have gone over $4000.

Oldcarpierre
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

pintoguy76

Yea i saw that...$3080....and still 5 days left of the auction. The auction states the car cost $4500 new... i bet it sells for atleast that, 30 years later. I always wonder tho... the way i understand it pintos werent supposed to cost a dollar more than $2000 or weight an ounce more than 2000 pounds....i think even my base model  cost more than that new and weighs more too i think. I think its about 2400.... but not 100% sure. This 76 listed cost 4500....and even tho it has every option known to man.... i doubt the options cost more than just the car itself did...that would be unreal.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

oldcarpierre

Pintoguy76
The '76 has now gone over 3 thousand, and has not met the reserve.  Perhaps you can use this auction to show your insurance company what a nice '76 is worth.   They would have no idea otherwise.

Oldcarpierre
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

Panhandle Sam

Quote from: pintoguy76 on May 02, 2006, 02:29:38 PM
I have more news to report.  I called a leaving the scene officer at the police department today and they located the guy that hit me. They gave him 2 tickets. One for leaving the scene and one for hitting me. He CLAIMS he was working out of town and was in a hurry to get to work. I know its a lie and the officer thinks so too, but oh well thats really kinda irrelevant, to me atleast. He DOES have insurance, the officer gave me his insurance information. Ive called them and got all the info filed. I should hear back in 24-48 hours, as soon as they contact the guy and get the police report. I'll let you guys know what happens.

Right on!! Fry that guy.HERE they woulda already arrested him for hit an run, sounds like Mo laws are just as lax/lazy as they used to be. Hopefully you can get him put so deep in a jail cell they'll have to feed him beans with a sling-shot! :lol:
Wishin you the best of luck, curious to see how this goes.
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pintoguy76

I have more news to report.  I called a leaving the scene officer at the police department today and they located the guy that hit me. They gave him 2 tickets. One for leaving the scene and one for hitting me. He CLAIMS he was working out of town and was in a hurry to get to work. I know its a lie and the officer thinks so too, but oh well thats really kinda irrelevant, to me atleast. He DOES have insurance, the officer gave me his insurance information. Ive called them and got all the info filed. I should hear back in 24-48 hours, as soon as they contact the guy and get the police report. I'll let you guys know what happens.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

pintoguy76

Yeah i saw that but i dont think ill be hearing from the insurance company or getting any money (if the guy even has insurance) before that auction ends.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

oldcarpierre

pintoguy,

Very sad to hear about your mishap.   Insurance companies don't want to even attempt fixing antiques.   They would much rather cut you a cheque.   Obtaining the parts is too complicated, and they don't like bodywork.  They are used to putting on new parts to replace the dented ones.

I was just on e-bay, and there is a beautiful 1976 Pinto with AC and less than 40000 miles.   There is still 6 days left on that auction.

Oldcarpierre
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

pintoguy76

1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

skrach

i will get those pics of the floor and rocker panels for you tomarrow hopefully..
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

pintoguy76

Im in springfield MO, a bit far for me to come get the whole car unless the insurance company picked up the tab but i dont think they will. If the guy even has insurance. But pieces i might be able to do. Depends on the shipping cost.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

skrach

i will give you the 1/4's for free, although you will have to cover shipping etc. floor pans are decent i wil take some pictures of it asap. if you are interested in the whole car i can cut the trunk section i need out of it and then you can have the rest..  where are you located?
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

pintoguy76

Pintony - I emailed you on the 1/4. What did you use to make the new panel on the back of your purple pinto that the taillights go in? Since i need a new one of those, I might as well just make my own and customize it a bit, right? :D

Skrach - I might need the 1/4 from you and some other parts. Got a good solid drivers front and rear floor pan? What about rocker panels? They are not damaged due to the accident, but they are rusted thru and i cant put new carpet down with rusty floor pans.  If you have them and are able to remove them, what would you want for them? Please let me know.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E