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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Blowin-off-the-dust Part II

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Pintony

Hello Group,
Tring to get my 2 pintos ready for the show this W/E. I decided to put on a few NEW parts.
I installed NEW Pinto scripts on the Green Pinto.
Sure looks beter with the shinEy Red, White & Blue in the P.
I also installed NEW brake and clutch pedal pads W the Shiney stainless "Disc-Brake" insert and a pass. side door bumper.
Sure wish-n I could find my  Dig-camera
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skrach

its a secret shhh..  but i heard he has the revolving license plates and oil slick shooters too but shhhh dont tell him i know lol     


im thinking bout doing the same thing and putting the button where the lighter is and keep the lighter top on it so it looks stock
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

Pintony

Yes, I know your fondness for making a 10 hr custom piece.
that only you know about.
You are the MASTER!!!!!
I guess your not telling how you get it open???
VERY SHINEY
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turbopinto72

HeHeHEhe............ :evil: ;D ;) I realy like the flush look+ I'ts shiney+I'ts powder coated Aluminum billit.............( did I ever tell you I like to make stuff?)
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Hey Brad,
Very cool cap!!!!
How do you open it?
Inside release with solinoid??
That will keep gas thieves guessing. ;)
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turbopinto72

As long as were showing off gas caps............. 8)
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Thank you George for the kind words and the advice.
I do not have a charcol canister on my Purple Pinto.
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Poison Pinto 79 Turbo


        Glad to see you got outta there in time! I've never been near a twister thankfully, nor do I ever want to be! Here's one more suggestion as to your stalling problem, not only check the vent line from the tank, but check the charcoal canister as well. the "bag" inside has been known to bust, thereby blocking the tank from venting itself! you'll check the vent hose,and it will be open, but blow back through the line the OPPOSITE way from the tank, to the canister with the hose connected to the canister.If you get a pressure reversion, or see black dust come flying out of the little "bell" vent on topof the canister, there's your culprit! Just food for thought. By the way, Quite a collection you've got there! Cool ;D
                                                             George.
                                                                   
( George Hewitt) This is my first Pinto, bought from the original owners 3yrs. ago. It has 45k original miles, came with the original bill of sale, warranty copy metal V.I.N. Plate, and the owners manual too! It is a 2.3, 4spd. man.car (for now) its in the body shop right now getting ready for paint

Pintony

Hey gearhead440,
My gas cap came from Year One.
I bought it from a photo in a catilog.
I'm not sure what the cap actually fits.
I do know it is from the Dodge family.
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gearhead440

Pintony,
Did that gas cap come from a 67 Plymouth or 68-69 Dodge by any chance?  It looks really similiar to the one for my 67 GTX.
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

High_Horse

A gas cap is down the road a bit. Right now I am trying to pick out just the right mufflers. If youve got it flaunt it...Smile.
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

Hey High Horse.
Your just jealous. 8)
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High_Horse

Pintony,
  I have taken over 200 pictures of my 302 conversion project. And now for some reason I feel compelled to go out and photograph my gas cap. I am impressed.
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

Hey Bill,
Thank you for the advice...
BUT, I'm kinda stuck with the fuel cap I have. ::)
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billnall

Hey Pintony,
Maybe you just need a vented gas cap with a one way valve in it.



Ford Parts Man
Bill

Pintony

Helly Terry,
Since your 1973 pinto has A/C. You could have vacume leaks in many places.
Even a small leak makes the Pinto run bad. I put a new carb on my 72 Pinto Green.
Trouble is.... I also tightened the clamp on the pcv hose. So Was it the carb or the fact that I tightened the clamp???
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Tercin

Tony

I have A/C. I will do the checks that you suggested. I am embarassed to say no new PCV valve.
I will be getting one tonight.
Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

Pintony

Hey Terry,
Try checking your pcv hose.
Make sure the clamp is tight to the nipple on the intake manifold.
Also pull the hose off the vacume advance and plug it. The diaphram may have a leak?
I'm sure you have changed the PCV valve???
Does your 73 have A/C???
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Pintony

Thanks Farmboy,
I tried using compressed air to try to take dents out of a wagon tank one time.
The tank was off and when I applied air it blew up like the Blue girl on Willy Wonka.
Well it got the dents out.
I'll try your sugestion but I'll be carefull.
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Tercin

Pintony
Sounds like you had quite a trip. Glad you made the show in spite of your troubles. A good soldier never gives up. It looks like you prevailed over mother nature and the fuel tank gremlins. You are right about your son's worst day, he will look back on this and have fond memories.  I put the fender on, it bolted up flawlessly. Thanks again. I worked on the grill today, should be done tommorrow. I put a remanufactured carb on this weekend, I took a drive around the block, it is still not right, they have a tech line that I will be calling tommorrow. It won't idle, it drives okay, not great but okay.
Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

Farmboy

  Before you drop the gas tank to check the vent, get out your air compressor and try blowing air back thru your gas line, I had that problem in one of my jeeps and it opened up the vent, hope this helps.
  see ya
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

High_Horse

Good story Pintony!!!!
I'm looking forward to cruising with ya.
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Scott Hamilton

Yup, the house must be presentable... That's a given at this point,

Remember, Cindy knows Stephanie so any transgression on your part "could" get me pinged...


HA!
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Pintony

Dalton's worst day???
I suppose it was because he could see how stressed out his dad was.
Running from the rain. Sitting by the side of the freeway while 18 wheelers blow past at 80 MPH.
Trying to figure why I'm not getting fuel.
We were stopped 3 times, 2 for the fuel and 1 time under an overpass because of the heavy rain.
Dalton dumped a FULL LOAD of buttered popcorn on the front floorboard of my Purple Pinto at the
Drive-in movies.  Almost banged the door on the speaker post. after I warned him 3 times to hang on to the door. Gee I wonder why he is stressed???? ;D
Cindy is in Florida so there was no mom to comfort him. I think the stalling of the Purple Pinto was what stressed him out the most. We had Cuddle Tickel time after we got home. But he still wanted his mom.
I told him that when he is 25 years old, he will think back and say it was one of the best days he ever had with his dad. I'll be 55 by then.

It's a real good thing I bought the BIG OPTIMA battery because I put it to the test trying to get fuel back to the carb.. Also the shifter stops on my HIGH DOLLAR tranny shifter were not adjusted properly and it kept poping out of 2nd gear. Got that adjusted already this morning.
I gotta go to get my new 2.0 +c4 tranny I bought on ebay today 51.00.
Gotta get started on picking up my junk so the house looks nice when Cindy gets home tomorow.
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Scott Hamilton

Glad you avoided the T-nado, The Tennesseevalley is famous for these in april-august... Not fun.

Why was it Dalton's worst day?
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Pintony

Hello Group,
After thrashing on my Pinto for 2 more days Trying to get it ready for a car-Cruz at the drive-in.
Wax, Vacume, Scrub, Scrub, Scrub, Windows.
My side draft weber was running lean  It ran like POOP!!!!!!so I called the tec-line at weber to ask about jetting.
Not being that familiar with the DCOE carb. I talked to TOM and tell him what I had and what I was doing.
He asked me "Well.... What's your question???" I'd like to know where to start with my jetting.
Each jet costs 5.00 and there is 2 per carb.
TOM asked... "What jet do you need"?
DUH!!!! That's what I'm asking you!!!!!
So I say screw it and pull out the numbered drills. Find one that just fits in the jet and pick the next size up.
chuck the bit in a pin-vice and drill the jets to the next size.
I also drill the idle jets one size bigger. WOW!!! what a difference!!!!
Anyway I head out to the Cruz and stop at Pizza Hut for my son. Dalton 10.
We come out of P.H. and we see this BIG DARK SCARRY CLOUD!!!!
Looks like War of The worlds. But worse.
Where we are standing it is sunny and hot 97deg.
About 1 mile away it is BLACK AS NIGHT and REAL UGLY!!!! So I tell Dalton to hop in the car and we get back on the freeway and head north. Towards Chicago. We go about 20 miles and stop at a rest stop to look at the storm.
Quickly reailizing that the storm is still behind me, we drive to Springfield Illinois. about 50 miles.
to avoid the storm.
After about 1hr. we decide to start back. we hit some small rain and one small down-pour.
Whe we get back to where we started. We find out there was a tornado that went through that area.
WOW!!! I guess I made the right decission!
Anyway my Purple Pinto drove flawlessly.
I did experience one problem.
I guess the fuel tank vent is blocked because the engine lost power two times and coasted to a stop.
At first I thought we may be out of gas but after rocking the car the tank sounded full and I had just filled up before leaving. Gas gauge has always had issues. After thinking a bit I decided to try the gas cap.
My Purple Pinto has a flip cap that I bought from Year One.
I had to pry the cap open with both hands. It sounded like a GIANT mason jar lid being unsealed.POP!!!
Guess I'll have to drop the tank and find out why the vent is clogged???
Most likely a bug or wasp has made a nest in the vent. I'm thinking Mud Dobber????
Dalton said it was the worst day of his life and I said it was one of the BEST.
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