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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1980 Ford Pinto Windshield

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rob289c

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He came over today to look over my treasure.  His father wants/needs the windshield.  He can use my doors and fenders.  Once I'm done with my project, he can have all my leftovers.
rob289c

Wittsend

The "out the door" price for a windshield at Pick Your Part is about $45. But that requires that they actually have one (not likely) and YOU have to remove it without damaging it. As I noted above back in 2012 I purchased two Studebaker windshields that have scratches and bull's-eyes and they were $100 each. On the low end I'd say $75 and on the high end I'd say $125. For additional reference four years ago I cracked the windshield in my daily driver (2000 Mazda Protege). $100 got me a brand new windshield installed and the old one disposed of. I just had to drive to a bad area and sit in their groody waiting room for an hour and a half. But Safelite was $350 and it seemed like a small price to pay to save $250.

rob289c

I found a guy locally that is daily driving an '80 Pinto.  I saw it in his driveway and stopped to let him know I had parts available.  He is going to stop tomorrow to look at what I have.  His father has a Pinto too and has a homemade plexiglass windshield.  He is excited that I have a good windshield.  Based in this thread, I know they are rare.  What should I ask for mine?  I'm not looking to crush this guy and am going to give him pretty much anything he wants from my car that I don't plan to use in my project so he's going to end up with a great deal.  It will help me create more floor space so I benefit from giving him anything I have no use for.
rob289c

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Wittsend

Rob you might want to go to the above post and edit it to give your location. It is helpful for those who may consider driving to get parts.

rob289c

I'll hold on to it until someone needs it.  For anyone that is reading this, the fenders, doors, quarter panels, rear hatch (all glass), front and rear seats are available.  There are a variety of misc parts that are available too.  ***The Parts are in the Rochester NY Area***
rob289c

ThePintokid

thinking about it I rather not ship it because it would be a shame for one of the last windshields to break. Thanks you for your time. 

rob289c

Good idea!  It will get that treatment!
rob289c

Wittsend

Slit water pipe insulation is a good way to protect the edges. Especially the lower edge if it is going to sit on a hard floor. Since you are in the A/C biz you probably have some laying around.

rob289c

I got it out...and didn't break it!  I usually don't have have enough patience for a tedious project like this but I know these are rare and it is ready for anyone that will need it.  It's a really light, thin piece of glass.  I expected thicker and heavier.  If ThePintokid doesn't claim it, I will hold it till someone needs it.  In the pic, the windshields is up against the cardboard I change oil on and adjust my spray gun when I paint.  I didn't clean the glass but it isn't black like you see in the pic...that's the cardboard color.
rob289c

rob289c

I was thinking about a wooden crate made of 2x4's and plywood.  I am in the HVAC business and we receive coils packaged like that.  They are solid so even if something is placed on top of it, there should be no damage.  I'm about to cut this car apart so the sooner I know, the better if the windshield is wanted.
rob289c

Wittsend

Ugghhh..., transporting windshields! It might be wise to see how the glass typically gets shipped. Is the box over-sized and they use spray foam..., or does the foam create too much transfer of forces and it will crack the glass? I had to replace the rear door glass in my wife's Civic and the curved glass came shipped in a thin sheet of cardboard folded over the glass like a file folder. I was shocked at the near nothing protection of the glass. But, maybe the concept is if the glass is seen they will treat it more carefully???


Below is the cradle I made when my son picked up my two Studebaker windshields. I fought for every fraction of an inch to get the glass vertical in his 2 door '96 Civic. It took me about 8 hours to configure everything. It would have been an 800 mile trip if my son hadn't been going/coming near the area the windshields were. It cost me $100 each for two windshields with scratches and bulls-eyes, 8 hours to configure the cradle and gratitude to my son for hauling them.  This is sometimes what it takes.
  My other option was to spend over $600 and have one new windshield delivered.



rob289c

I would be willing but am afraid it wouldn't make it across the country intact.  We would need a crate and use high density packing material to pack it as securely as possible.  Transporters aren't always as tender with fragile items as one would hope!  If you want, you can build the shipping crate, ship it to me with sufficient packing material inside.  I can open it up, pack the windshield and return ship.  In the end it won't be cheap but if you need it bad enough, I guess cost isn't a factor in the absence of other options.  Think about it and let me know what you want to do.
rob289c

ThePintokid

Would you be willing to ship the windshield if I pay for shipping.

rob289c

If there is anyone in the northeast than needs a good windshield, rear hatch, and side glass, I have good examples in my doner car.  The windshield has the blue tint at the top.  High-end Pinto!  The body panels aren't bad considering the NY salt if anyone is interested in them.  The problem with this car is it sat in dirt for years so the floors and "frame" are gone. 
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TIGGER

About 4-5 years ago there was a guy on craigslist selling windshields up in Kelso or Longview.  He had a brand new Pinto windshield for $100 or $125.  Don't know if it was glue in or not (did not matter to me as I have both style cars) but anyway, I didn't have the money then or I would have pulled the trigger.  I wanted that thing bad just to hold onto but could not make it happen.  I do have a few spare windshields but I think they are all the gasket type.  I guess I will start keeping an eye out for a spare for my 79 wagon moving forward.  Good luck to you.....
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Wittsend

One of the problems with the 79/80 Pinto's and pulling it from a yard is the glue in windshield. I tried once to get a glue in out of a wrecking yard for my daily driver and it was a nightmare. After about 1-1/2 hours in the hot sun I was about 2/3rds the way through and the windshield broke. The worse part was I got a second bout of frozen shoulder from the arm actions of the attempted removal.

For those who haven't had it, it goes like this. You do something and for about a week you notice little to nothing but by the end of the week your shoulder feels sore. There after it only gets worse. Within a few weeks you can't even lift your arm sideways - at all. By month 9 you think it might be getting better and by the time a year has gone by you are back to normal. About a year prior I had gotten frozen shoulder building my daughter's Tiny House.  We had 4'x8'x 1/2" plywood (32 Lbs) stacked at waist height. I would slide it into my gut, grab the outer ends and transport it over to sawhorses just a few feet away for cutting. It was just 5 seconds to do each. And it was only 18 sheets total spread out over a few days. That too took close to a year to recover from.

ThePintokid

I looked but I could not find any. sadly

dga57

Have you considered looking for a suitable parts car with a good windshield instead?  Harvest the windshield and any other parts you think you might ever use and scrap the rest. Even if you don't have space to store a bunch of parts, you could probably market them successfully online or at car show/swap meets.  Just a suggestion!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

ThePintokid

How much do you think it would be to ship it.

rob289c

You can take a nice cross country drive to NY State and have one for the price of your gas, lodging and food. 
rob289c

ThePintokid

I check all the glass shops in my area and one of them checked all the warehouses he had aces to in the USA and said they had none. And two of the class car shops in my area are still lucking for a windshield.

Wittsend

Most glass shops stock very little glass. They get it from a glass warehouse that has "Runners" delivering the glass on a "as needed" basis. A few years back I had the windshield replaced on my daily drive (2000 Protege). I was at the shop for about an hour and a half and in that time I saw three different delivery trucks bring windshields.

So, the likelihood of finding a windshield will be through the warehouse which I doubt you can contact directly. Most installers know that a 40 year old windshield is a rare item and don't want to be bothered spending the time tracking down a rare windshield when they likely have many cars waiting for readily available glass. You best bet is to try a classic glass vendor that might buy up old stock. Unfortunately they have to invest in the shipping, storage and don't see a return on investment until the rare need come up. So, you pay for that - plus the shipping.

ThePintokid

Well I don't think anyone on the west coast has a 1979 or 1980 ford pinto windshield thanks for everyone's help.

Wittsend


I've been retire fore 6 years now. And while my brain would find the pursuit interesting I doubt my back, and feet are in agreement. And then there is the "benevolent" junkyard. My "go to" Pick Your Part is anything but a friendly place.


For YEARS I'd see people in there on the 50% off sale day dismounting tires and buying them by the stack load. So, I figured why not. You can break the bead with a scissor jack and tire irons will remove the tire. Anyway, the guy at the check out window had no issue selling me the tires. But the guy at the gate was irate that I had pulled the tires as it was no longer allowed. Mind you that there is NOTHING on their website nor posted at the yard that you can't remove tires. I've had other gate guys insist that certain parts were not included with a "Complete" engine and threaten to send me back in a lengthy line if I didn't give them money. So, yea, finding that benevolent yard is 50% of the equation.


Speaking of windshields. My son (home for a time because of Covid 19) stored much of his stuff in his second car (his grandmothers old car). One thing was a number of cans of Dust-Off that he uses while 3D printing. The sun struck a can just the right way and the heat expansion sent the can projecting through the windshield. We never found the actual can. The nozzle, trigger and a circular chunk (picture 3) that had blown out was about 20 feet away. If anyone knows how hard it it to not just crack, much less break a hole though a piece of laminated glass can understand that to remove a 2" piece completely is quite a force. So, this summer be careful where you place any aerosol cans!!!

dga57

Quote from: Wittsend on July 29, 2020, 11:15:45 AM
It will probably be an enthusiast spending hours in a benevolent junk yard where the keep laying the Pinto glass over other windshields to see it there is a potential match (less the trimming to fit).

That would be an excellent hobby for you if and when you ever decide to retire!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Wittsend

There are classic windshield sites on the internet. From my experience most "local" shop don't want to be bothered. That said, windshields will likely be the EOL of many a car. Most classic windshields cost in the vicinity of $350-upwards of $700! Shipping can be upwards of $200+. Throw in a $100+ new gasket (not an issue on an 80 Pinto) and it is likely a $500-$600 cost to replace the windshield in a best case scenario (if you can even find one).

Windshields can be a oddity as to availability. I have a '64 Studebaker Daytona (the last body type Studebaker built) and the windshields are very rare. But older Studebaker's are more readily available. In the case of my Studebaker I paid $100 each for two windshields with scratches and Bull's-eye's. And I was at the mercy of my son transporting them 400 miles to get them home safely. After that experience I got a spare Pinto windshield for $25 at Pick You Part and have it available for "the day when." I have contemplated moving on to older cars simply because the windshields are flat and easily recreated.


I also have a Corvair station Wagon with a rare 2" taller roof. 25 years and I found ONE windshield in a wrecking yard. However, in this case it seems I can use a regular (coupe/sedan) more readily available windshield if I create a metal filler in the roof.

When you think about it who wants to make a small run of windshields for the few remaining cars on the road? They have to sit on them for a LONG time and maybe never sell. It sure would be nice if some type of substitute that can be laser cut and properly formed would come along. On Wheeler Dealer they had to replace the windshield on a Saab and the remedy was to cut the section needed out of a late model Chevy Impala windshield. Cutting glass is always a risky thing, time consuming and probably not cheap.

It would be interesting to see if similar can be done for the Pinto. It does have a laid back look similar to modern glass. It will probably be an enthusiast spending hours in a benevolent junk yard where the keep laying the Pinto glass over other windshields to see it there is a potential match (less the trimming to fit).

one2.34me

You're welcome. Sorry to hear they didn't have one.

ThePintokid

Thanks one2.34me for the suggestion but sadly they did not have one. :(